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Well, they do. If I stand nude on a beach and someone lusts or in any other way desires, which I'm certain it will, then that is causing suffering of a kind, but then public nudity is not necessarily a cause of any suffering; it's dependent on the people around. If I have sex with an animal, which is a disturbing example, and which makes me wonder if you don't think people who don't believe the bible are utter perverts that are going to have sex with animals, I not only degrade myself and most definitely feel a sense of shame, but I cause an animal suffering too.
I am sorry about the bestiality example as it is a decidedly repugnant topic, I was a little hard pressed to think of other examples of moral codes that transcend cultures that do not involve human to human actions.

Your refutation of my argument that these examples cause human suffering because they would cause suffering to the human committing the action makes the argument unworkable. A human would have to be the causation or we would not be discussing human morals.

A side note: I do not think you are an utterly depraved pervert, I think you have a sound mind and a good heart. Your conversion is definitely on my prayer list as I think these characteristics in you, coupled with the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ would be a formidable force of light in a dark world:D. May I also ask, do you identify with a religion?
 
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Patient tested in California for possible Ebola exposure: Patient tested in Calif. for possible Ebola exposure - CNN.com

"Another patient is being tested in the United States for possible Ebola exposure -- this time, in California.The unidentified patient is being isolated in a "specially equipped negative pressure room" at the Kaiser Permanente South Sacramento Medical Center.

Trained staff are using protective equipment, coordinated with infectious disease specialists, to provide care for the patient, said Dr. Stephen M. Parodi, director of hospital operations at Kaiser Permanente Northern California, in a statement."
 
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I am sorry about the bestiality example as it is a decidedly repugnant topic, I was a little hard pressed to think of other examples of moral codes that transcend cultures that do not involve human to human actions.

Your refutation of my argument that these examples cause human suffering because they would cause suffering to the human committing the action makes the argument unworkable. A human would have to be the causation or we would not be discussing human morals.

A side note: I do not think you are an utterly depraved pervert, I think you have a sound mind and a good heart. Your conversion is definitely on my prayer list as I think these characteristics in you, coupled with the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ would be a formidable force of light in a dark world:D. May I also ask, do you identify with a religion?
I certainly don't think I identify with one particular religion, but it depends on your definition of what constitutes a singular and separate 'religion'. Encapsulated within many religions are particular characteristics which seem, to me, to point to a universal code of human moral conduct at least, with of course varied applications and different professed sources, but in my experience the names of any sources are secondary to the character of that source itself, which obviously, I consider to be at its core a benevolence in the vast majority of faiths. Within religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and in the words of Jesus of Nazareth, there are common facets. If I were to identify with any teachings 'most', it would be with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth and with those of the Buddha, because both of these lived such selfless lives and taught such similar teachings.

Buddha said 'consider others as yourself', and Jesus said 'treat others as you wish to be treated, love your neighbour as yourself'. Buddha said 'If man will not tend to one another, then who is there to tend for you? Whoever should tend to me, so he should tend to others' and Jesus said 'Truly, to the extent you do not do these things for the least of these people, you do not do them for me'. Buddha said 'Just as a mother would protect her only child at the risk of her own life, even so, cultivate a boundless heart towards all beings. Let your thoughts of boundless love pervade throughout the whole world', and Jesus said 'This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you, for there is no greater love than for one to lay down his life for others'. The Buddha said 'It is subtle, hard to perceive; that by giving way our food, we gain more strength; that by bestowing clothing on others, we gain more beauty; that by founding fountains of purity and truth, we acquire great treasures. Observe, the charitable man has found the path to liberation, for he is like a man who plants a sapling securely, thereby acquiring the shade, and the flowers, and the fruit in future years. Even so is the result of charity, even so is the joy of him who helps those needing assistance, even so is the great Nibbana'. Jesus said 'remember this; whoever sows sparingly will reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will reap generously. Thus, each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly, nor under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound in you, so that in all things and at all times, having all that you need, you shall abound in every good work', and 'it is more blessed to give than to receive'. Buddha said 'The fault of others is easily perceived, but that of oneself is difficult to perceive. A man minnows the faults of his neighbour like chaff, but hides his own faults as a cheat hides a bad die from the dealer', Jesus said 'Do not judge, that you not be judged. For with what judgement you judge, it shall be judged back to you, and with the measure you use, it shall be measured back to you in kind. So, why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, yet you do not observe the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ''Remove the speck from your eye'', when there is a log in yours! Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, then you shall see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother's'. Jesus said 'Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you and pray for those who mistreat you' and 'you have heard it said ''eye for eye and tooth for tooth'', but I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to them the other also. If some person wants to sue you and take your tunic, let them have your cloak as well, and if someone forces you to go one mile with him, go with him two miles. Give to whomever asks you, and do not turn from the one who wants to borrow from you'. Buddha said 'hatred does not ever cease in this world by hatred, but by love; this is an eternal law. Thus, overcome anger by love, evil by good, the selfish by giving, and the liar by truthfulness'.

I, personally, believe all these to be the true teachings; love, hope, joy, peace. All these are motivated towards making this world a better place, respecting others, respecting the world, creating unity, selflessness, a culture of giving, where every individual is at liberty to be free, yet who each would strive to serve rather than take. These, in my eyes, are the manners in which the world would profit endlessly, each day, practically, observably and unanimously.

That's what I believe. I don't know if you can call it a religion, it seems more like obvious observation and common sense to me. How does hate cease by hate?
 
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I can see you are well read and you think deeply about spiritual matters. I do not have time tonight to present why I believe in Jesus the Messiah, will you graciously allow me the time to formulate my response?

Side note: I believe we may have hijacked a thread:D
 
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I can see you are well read and you think deeply about spiritual matters. I do not have time tonight to present why I believe in Jesus the Messiah, will you graciously allow me the time to formulate my response?

Side note: I believe we may have hijacked a thread:D
It's not my place to allow time!! :) I look forward to seeing it. Feel free to drop it in my inbox.
 
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Esanta, I'm formally trained in comparative religion: you obviously are not as evidenced by your constant misinterpreted exegesis of religious texts. You'll never come to an understanding of the truth by simply making a lot of false assertions about stuff you read as is your habit.

Perhaps you don't yet want to and like the comfortable inaccuracies that fit your feelings of how the world should be in your opinion. But that's NOT truth.

Someone once asked me would you rather be happy or know the truth and I replied, "I would rather know the truth." They walked away. Most people would rather be happy. MY hope for you is that at some point you stop engaging in that behavior and fighting with everyone around you that's qualified to correct you and start to actually learn the truth. But maybe you'd rather just continue to be happy and wrong like most people.

Here is a recommended introductory resource to get you started:



Christianity at the Religious Roundtable: Evangelicalism in Conversation with Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam by Timothy C. Tennet (PhD, University of Edinburgh, Scotland) is professor of World Missions and Indian Studies and director of missions programs at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Massachusetts).
 
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Esanta, I'm formally trained in comparative religion: you obviously are not as evidenced by your constant misinterpreted exegesis of religious texts. You'll never come to an understanding of the truth by simply making a lot of false assertions about stuff you read as is your habit.

Perhaps you don't yet want to and like the comfortable inaccuracies that fit your feelings of how the world should be in your opinion. But that's NOT truth.

Someone once asked me would you rather be happy or know the truth and I replied, "I would rather know the truth." They walked away. Most people would rather be happy. MY hope for you is that at some point you stop engaging in that behavior and fighting with everyone around you that's qualified to correct you and start to actually learn the truth. But maybe you'd rather just continue to be happy and wrong like most people.

Here is a recommended introductory resource to get you started:



Christianity at the Religious Roundtable: Evangelicalism in Conversation with Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam by Timothy C. Tennet (PhD, University of Edinburgh, Scotland) is professor of World Missions and Indian Studies and director of missions programs at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Massachusetts).
AoK, I'm tired of this. I give up. You win.
 

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Just an update on Brantly. He has recovered from Ebola and will be released from the hospital today. Prayers have been answered.
 
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Nobody wins because you haven't come into, as Timothy stated in 1 Timothy 2:4, salvation and knowledge of the truth. That IS the problem Esanta.

Don't think this is a personal matter. It is not. I could give two cents about whether or not you personally like me. I care about YOU as a person (and others) being rooted in the truth.

I realize that I'm tenacious to the nth degree and that results in exasperation. But older wiser people were with me when I was a young man and eventually I saw the how, what, and why in my errors and changed from operating on my feelings and misconceptions to align with truth.

Jesus Christ said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father [e.g. God] except through me."


AoK, I'm tired of this. I give up. You win.
 
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Nobody wins because you haven't come into, as Timothy stated in 1 Timothy 2:4, salvation and knowledge of the truth. That IS the problem Esanta.

Don't think this is a personal matter. It is not. I could give two cents about whether or not you personally like me. I care about YOU as a person (and others) being rooted in the truth.

I realize that I'm tenacious to the nth degree and that results in exasperation. But older wiser people were with me when I was a young man and eventually I saw the how, what, and why in my errors and changed from operating on my feelings and misconceptions to align with truth.

Jesus Christ said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father [e.g. God] except through me."
Alright. Ok.
 
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Interesting article. It states Asia could now be affected as well from an infected Liberian leaving Liberia to go there.

The article says the Liberian government is trying to quarantine 50,000 Monrovians after they invaded and looted their own Ebola quarantine centers and clinics.

Here's the corruption indicator for Liberia: Transparency International - Country Profiles

^ Look how corrupt Liberia is. I believe that I could buy my way out of that quarantine for $20.00.

This thing's going to keep spreading imo. Seriously, how DO you quarantine 50,000 people that don't want to be quarantined in a country where political corruption and graft are inherent to its everyday operation.

Ebola's very best friend appears to be the dysfunctional behavior of Africannot-do-the-right-things. Are we destined for its arrival?


 
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"Five co-authors of an important new Ebola study were killed by the virus before their research was published. The study, published Thursday in the journal Science, found that the virus has mutated during the outbreak — something that could hinder diagnosis and treatment of the disease."

Ebola virus has mutated during course of outbreak - The Washington Post

"There have been 3,069 Ebola infections recorded by the WHO, and more than half of those infected have died, according to the WHO.

On Thursday, U.S. government researchers, in collaboration with British drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline, announced that they will begin human trialsnext week at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md., of an experimental Ebola vaccine. Health officials said they want to rush the drug as quickly as possible to health workers and others at risk in West Africa."


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