Has chess got anything to do with war?

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Has chess got anything to do with war? - BBC News

From ancient India to the computer age, the military has used chess as both a metaphor and even as training for warfare. But as Dominic Lawson writes, generals who compare themselves with grandmasters are exaggerating their control of human combat.

Beevor's books on the World War Two battles of Stalingrad and Berlin have sold in their millions across the globe, but his first career was as a British army cavalry regiment officer. And since he is also a passionately keen chess player, I was intrigued to know if he thought that great generals were like chess grandmasters - brilliant strategists of iron logic.

It is fair to say that the computer programmers themselves, whose motives were solely to create world-beating chess algorithms, thought this was hokum. Ken Thompson, of Bell Labs and creator of the Belle chess program, observed: "The only military application for a chess machine like Deep Thought is to drop it from an airplane to kill someone."

On the other hand, it is interesting that in 2007 Darpa named its project to develop a super-intelligent battle computer system Deep Green - apparently in homage to the Deep Blue program which beat Kasparov in what, apart from Bobby Fischer's match against Boris Spassky in 1972, must be counted the most famous chess match in history.
 
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it has been proven over and over that these "grand masters" of war do nothing but offer sheep to the slaughter.
They have more in common with murderers in my mind
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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it has been proven over and over that these "grand masters" of war do nothing but offer sheep to the slaughter.
They have more in common with murderers in my mind
"Proven"? By whom? Rather Hitler, or ISIS, ruled the world instead of fighting them at every opportunity?

That's just insane.
 

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"Proven"? By whom? Rather Hitler, or ISIS, ruled the world instead of fighting them at every opportunity?

That's just insane.
It's idealistic hyperbole. Which I suppose is a type of insane.

Sounds like somebody has been listening to "War Pigs" a little too much.
 

Desdichado

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As for computers- a battle sim would be like a calculator- something to be used by the strategist, but not a substitute for human creativity.

After being beaten, Kasparov hosted a tournament with computers, humans, and mixed teams of computers and humans. The mixed teams were the most successful if that says anything.

As for Chess? Chess focuses on the tactical elements of war that are subject to a degree of calculation. Military entrance exams focus a great deal on math, but if we are to believe Clausewitz and Sun Tzu, a great deal of war is the human element. It's a continuation of politics by other means. Computers do not understand emotions, religion, etc- things that focus on the reasoning and will to fight. History has proven time and time again that it is by these more abstract criterion that wars are considered won or lost and are the reason wars are fought to begin with.

To summarize, I can see a battle calculator coming out. It will have to be based on a different game than chess though.
 
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It's idealistic hyperbole. Which I suppose is a type of insane.

Sounds like somebody has been listening to "War Pigs" a little too much.
Yeah, well, Black Sabbath was a Vietnam-era band, so it was the natural and popular theme for them to adopt. Want to know something funny? We played Sabbath, Eric Burdon, CSN&Y, and all that silly anti-war crap when we were in Vietnam. We knew it was crap.

Unfortunately, people actually believe the music had a valid message.
 

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I learned chess at 6 and was one of the better players at school...I ended up being an anti-war activist at college...go figure. Chess does help one think outside the box though looking for alternative solutions to current dilemmas.
 
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it has been proven over and over that these "grand masters" of war do nothing but offer sheep to the slaughter.
They have more in common with murderers in my mind
very good answer. actually caught me by surprise..... (in a good way, seeing truth and all.... boldly and simply put. )
 

Desdichado

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Yeah, well, Black Sabbath was a Vietnam-era band, so it was the natural and popular theme for them to adopt. Want to know something funny? We played Sabbath, Eric Burdon, CSN&Y, and all that silly anti-war crap when we were in Vietnam. We knew it was crap.

Unfortunately, people actually believe the music had a valid message.
Some of the anti-war stuff is quality music.
 
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intellect plays or drives many things for mankind,history teaches mankind many things. to understand. the birth of a calculator led to the birth of computers. but the consequence of war or strategy of war is still human. to advance in intellect, is taught to many children to have a better future in a peaceful land. yet to be a peaceful land an act of war was fought. some ware in history. strange mix the reporter makes on this topic.
 

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Aarrgh, the article had to bring up our blunder in Iraq.
Any novice of chess knows you keep each piece protected as much as possible and you don't give over control of the center of the board.
Obviously, Obama doesn't play chess...FORE!!
 
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there was two wars,with iraq, one sent him back to his own land, the second one, was based on a lie, and dubbed a spy, the name , cure ball, because of his lies.ie nukes that iraq, supposedly had. etc. so wrong intellect , can also make error in judgement s
even chess has to compete in a game of rules.
consequence also has a factor to play or to be payed for.