How to Oppose the Sodomist Agenda

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Atwood

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So, all homosexuals should be in prison?! Think man, think.
I said nothing about "homosexuals." Thomist, think Bible. Sodomy is a crime & should be recognized as such. I never said anything about prison! Did you know that under the Law of Moses there were no prisons? Where does the Lord recommend prison as a punishment for crime?

When a man gives in to demonic degradation of another man's posterior, this constitutes malicious assault & battery. It is a moral abomination leading typically to a people being vomited out of their land (Lev 18).

You can expect mobs raping men on the street as we now are heading.

The laws vs sodomy in the USA have been apparently rarely enforced due to the difficulty of getting witnesses. In Texas a couple of sodomists deliberately got themselves observed to challenge the law. But the existence of the crime on the book serves to stop the progress of the movement into "marriage" and legal attacks vs those who don't go along. I am not advocating a crusade vs sodomists; but the crime laws on the books need to be recognized. 5 justices on the SCOTUS have no business inventing unconstitutionality to negate the long-established laws.
 
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I'm thinking & a question comes to mind Thomist,
What percent of your denomination's priests are into anal activities with men?
You say you aren't talking about prison...so what are you talking about? Killing them?

By the way, what you just said is extremely sick and uncalled for.
 

Nautilus

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You can expect mobs raping men on the street as we now are heading.
Yes the at most 10% of the population thats gay, they totally have enough to go around in gangs just to rape people. Youve lost all credibility with this nonsense.
 

Atwood

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You say you aren't talking about prison...so what are you talking about? Killing them?

By the way, what you just said is extremely sick and uncalled for.
What is your proof that what I said was sick & uncalled for?

I note that you go on in this thread, but don't give any argument from scripture.

What I am talking about has already been clearly stated. I call for the SCOTUS to repent of legislating from the bench to repeal the Sodomy laws which have long been a feature of the USA. This repeal is very recent in history & is outrageous as having no constitutional basis. It is absurd to suppose that the writers of the constitution meant it to be twisted to cover buggery. I note that you duck the question about your priests involvement in posterior activities. Such activities are indeed sick & uncalled for. And the laws recognizing them as crime need to be active. Even if such crimes had only a $5 fine, they would protect the innocent objectors from persecution.

9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.


4 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.


28 And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;. . . who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practice them.

Is that
you, Thomist?


 

Atwood

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The Topic of this Thread is being ignored, and instead it is attracting persons who want to defend sodomists.

The truth is that we are witnessing the rise of persecution of persons who merely wish to let the sodomists do their thing, but leave them alone. But they won't leave them alone. They insist that bakers bake cakes for their shame weddings. They insist that wedding agencies cater to them. And if not, why they want the opt-out persons to be punished.

So I ask what is the best strategy to protect the persecuted? IMHO it is to evangelize and to petition the SCOTUS to repent of having repealed the duly enacted sodomy crime laws. Now if you have a better strategy for protecting those being persecuted by sodomists, why don't you post that instead of defending the sodomists?

I honestly don't have any confidence in anything working, unless it be ebola followed by the nation being brought to its knees. But I have long thought the USA was on the brink of divine judgment.
 

Atwood

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Yes the at most 10% of the population thats gay, they totally have enough to go around in gangs just to rape people. .
Your scoffing has no credibility. Gangs don't require anything like 10 percent of a city. But it isn't nonsense. Those who scoff at God's word are the nonsensical. Sodomy can be promoted and become popular, and it is moving in that direction now in the USA.

And the two angels came to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot saw them, and rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face to the earth; and he said, Behold now, my lords, turn aside, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your way. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. And he urged them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men that came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. And Lot went out unto them to the door, and shut the door after him.

Story of Gibeah in Judges:


As they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain base fellows, beset the house round about, beating at the door; and they spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thy house, that we may know him. And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man has come into my house, do not this folly.


 

Atwood

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I say the best political way to stop the persecution of those who opt-out of sodomization, is to undo the illegal repeal of the sodomy crime laws on the books. Does anyone have a better way to accomplish the cessation of the persecution promoted by sodomists vs those who opt out?
 

Nautilus

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so the best way to stop persecution of people opting out of participating in gay marriages is instead to persecute the gays themselves? Why not just make a law stating people can legally decline non-essential public services for religious beliefs?
 

Agricola

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Does this rant about Sodomy included men committing sodomy on their consenting wife?
 

Atwood

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The Topic of the Thread concerns how to stop the persecution of those who wish to opt-out of the sodomist agenda, as for example bakers who do not wish to sell cakes to sodomist sham-weddings

IMHO, the most practical way to begin to protect (against persecution) those who opt-out, is to enforce the existing laws against sodomy, that is against sexual contact between persons of the same sex (men on men committing abomination & women on women). I say existing laws because the SCOTUS took it upon itself to negate valid laws.

Those who want to discuss perversion in marriage, are invited to go start their own thread on it.
 

Atwood

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so the best way to stop persecution of people opting out of participating in gay marriages is instead to persecute the gays themselves? Why not just make a law stating people can legally decline non-essential public services for religious beliefs?
All that would do is lead to lawsuits debating what is essential vs non-essential, public vs non-public, religious vs non-religious. It is a who shot cock robin. And a judge is likely to invent that such a law is unconstitutional.

The persons committing abomination are not "gays." Their abominations are not and do not lead to being happy & carefree. They do not have "a gay old time" as the Flitstones theme song says. If the law rightly designates male on male penetration as a crime, an assault & battery, that takes care of the protection of those who opt out of the sodomist agenda, even if the punishment be a $5 fine.

Recognizing criminals as criminals does not persecute the criminal. It is to the criminal's advantage that his crime be recognized and sanctioned. This abomination has led to expulsion of a people from their land; the land vomited them out. This abomination led to the destruction of cities by divine judgment. It is not persecution but benefit to the criminal to bring him to repentance.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23 And thou shalt not lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any woman stand before a beast, to lie down thereto: it is confusion.


24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out from before you; 25 and the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26 Ye therefore shall keep my statutes and mine ordinances, and shall not do any of these abominations; neither the home-born, nor the stranger that sojourneth among you; 27 (for all these abominations have the men of the land done, that were before you, and the land is defiled); 28 that the land vomit not you out also, when ye defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was before you. 29 For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, even the souls that do them shall be cut off from among their people.
 

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I know a couple of your so called abominations they seem pretty happy and care-free. They certainly don't even care about trying to oust religious people from jobs or homes.
 

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As well as lieth within you live peaceably with all men.

While many things have been done in the name of Christianity many of which are detestable it is not the Christian who is responsible.

As a Christian I do not go looking for trouble. I cannot force a Sodomite to change. I can only declare the word of God to the world and trust God to work in the hearts of those who hear.

That does not mean that I am going to sit idly by and allow things that are vile and evil to be rubbed under my nose by men of no character. It is not enough that they do evil they wish to flaunt it before God and all the world. Such are the children of hell.

For the cause of Christ
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Atwood

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I know a couple of your so called abominations they seem pretty happy and care-free. They certainly don't even care about trying to oust religious people from jobs or homes.
They are not my abominations. In a sense all sinners are an abomination to the Lord. Even mere liars go to the Lake of fire. However, the sin of sodomy is particularly singled out for the label of abomination in the Word of God. What people seem like, is beside the point. The lifestyle does not lead to being happy & care-free. Discuss the posterior results with doctors & nurses who have seen it.

Proverbs:

"Lest . . . thou mourn at the last, when thy flesh and thy body are consumed, And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof; And have not obeyed the voice of my teachers, nor inclined mine ear to them that instructed me!"


"Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned? Can one go upon hot coals, and his feet not be burned?"

"He goeth after . . . , as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks; 2Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life."


Rom 1:
"men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due. "



SCRIPTURE ON SODOMY:

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because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.

28 And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful: 32 who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.

2:1 Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things.




Lev 18 ASV



Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. And thou shalt not lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any woman stand before a beast, to lie down thereto: it is confusion.



Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out from before you; and the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land vomiteth out her inhabitants. Ye therefore shall keep my statutes and mine ordinances, and shall not do any of these abominations; neither the home-born, nor the stranger that sojourneth among you; (for all these abominations have the men of the land done, that were before you, and the land is defiled); that the land vomit not you out also, when ye defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was before you. For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, even the souls that do them shall be cut off from among their people.

Therefore shall ye keep my charge, that ye practise not any of these abominable customs, which were practised before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am Jehovah your God.




Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination;



Genesis 18-19:

And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. 17 And Jehovah said, Shall I hide from Abraham that which I do; 18 seeing that Abraham had surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19 For I have known him, to the end that he may command his children and his household after him, that they may keep the way of Jehovah, to do righteousness and justice; to the end that Jehovah may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. 20 And Jehovah said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

And the two angels came to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot saw them, and rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face to the earth; 2 and he said, Behold now, my lords, turn aside, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your way. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. 3 And he urged them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

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But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; 5 and they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men that came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. 6 And Lot went out unto them to the door, and shut the door after him. 7 And he said, I pray you, my brethren, do not so wickedly. 8 Behold now, I have two daughters that have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them but unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing, forasmuch as they are come under the shadow of my roof. 9 And they said, Stand back. And they said, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and drew near to break the door.

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But the men put forth their hand, and brought Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. 11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son-in-law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whomsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of the place: 13 for we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxed great before Jehovah; and Jehovah hath sent us to destroy it.




["Fornicator" from Greek includes a variety of sexual sins, including adultery & men lying with men (sodomy).]





Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.



Deuteronomy 23:17 - There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.


Judges 19:

[Attack at Gibeah:]
[Now] as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, [and] beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

[The following references in Kings possibly refer to male shrine prostitutes, or perhaps by extension to all men who lay with men:]

1 Kings 22:46 - And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.





1 Kings 15:12 - And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.





1 Kings 14:24 - And there were also sodomites in the land: [and] they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.





2 Kings 23:7 - And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that [were] by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.





Micah 2
Woe to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds! when the morning is light, they practise it, because it is in the power of their hand. -


1 Timothy 1:9-10

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
For For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


1 Cor 6:

Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.
 

Atwood

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TOPIC OF THREAD = PROTECTION OF THOSE WHO OPT OUT FROM SODOMITE ATTACK

Those of you who wish to advance the cause of sodomy here do the practitioners no good whatever. By speaking in promotion of their lifestyle you harm them.

As Revelation tells us, all varieties of fornicators head for the Lake of Fire. Just the physical consequences are horrible.

You are like the false prophets who approved of sin and encouraged sinners in their sin. The Lord Jesus died for all our sins, and promised the one who trusts Him a transformation, eternal life, & to be freely given all things. You encourage the sinner to forfeit eternal bliss for the temporary enjoyment of sexual friction.

1 Cor 6:

Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.

I am thinking I will mostly from on here, address the topic with those who wish to discuss strategy for protection of the innocent who opt-out from co-operation with the sodomist agenda. Those who want to debate the goodness vs evil of sexual perversion (men on men & women on women), will probably get mostly verses quoted back to you -- you can put them in your pipe & smoke 'em.
 

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While the thread is supposed to be about how to protect those who opt-out from the attacks of sodomists, those who will not consent to participation with them.

Some here persist in trying to support the sodomist agenda here. They are like false prophets in OT times who promoted sin.

Rom 1

"who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them. "

Jeremiah 23

"And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied by Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. In the prophets of Jerusalem also I have seen a horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies; and they strengthen the hands of evil-doers, so that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them become unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. Therefore thus saith Jehovah of hosts concerning the prophets: Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall; for from the prophets of Jerusalem is ungodliness gone forth into all the land. "

You do neither yourself good nor the sinner good.

Because I wish you well & the sodomist well, probably the best I can do for you is to quote you God's Word.



 
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As well as lieth within you live peaceably with all men.

While many things have been done in the name of Christianity many of which are detestable it is not the Christian who is responsible.

As a Christian I do not go looking for trouble. I cannot force a Sodomite to change. I can only declare the word of God to the world and trust God to work in the hearts of those who hear.

That does not mean that I am going to sit idly by and allow things that are vile and evil to be rubbed under my nose by men of no character. It is not enough that they do evil they wish to flaunt it before God and all the world. Such are the children of hell.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I agree. It's not just about forcing businesses & churches to comply with sin..... it's open, blatant, rubbing it in God's face rebellion.
 
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May God have mercy on you. You attack me because I see where the discrimination you're suggesting goes. You use a straw man about Priests, even though it has nothing to do with the conversation, and then attack me. My friend, I left that life style over four years ago and have consecrated my life to Christ.