Is There a War on Women?

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peacenik

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In USA, women are now permitted to serve in combat positions.


In times of war, women have always done so. Partisans in Europe were occasionally led by women in their fight against Nazis. Soviet women also volunteered. Today, there are women combating ISIS.
 

peacenik

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laura_charlotte; said:
Have you actually been educated in women's issues? Do you know some of the issues that women face today?



You listed a couple of typical responses to the war on women but they're incredibly ignorant generalisations. I'll educate you in one: For a women to be believed in court that she has been been attacked by a man, it more often than not takes a man as a witness in the case to actually have the court convict the male of a crime.




Though this is not addressed to me, I will attempt to answer only a small portion of your reply.

Re women's issues, I know the subject quite well having been a male feminist and supporter of their issues since the late 1960s. For example, I lobbied for passage of the Equal Rights Amendment, Title IX, and through having coached and promoted women's sports. In your lifetime you will not likely encounter many men who have done more for women's issues than I have.

You speak about generalizations. Indeed, all too often most of us (myself included) make too many of them. But feminists succumb to that temptation as well. You speak of being believed in a court of law and how in your country men's testimony carry more weight. I cannot speak for Australia, but can assure you that this is not the case in the USA. Here, as a former law school student, I and my class mates found hundreds of cases where men were wrongfully convicted of sexual assault based on a woman's testimony alone. Some of these men spent decades in prison for crimes they never committed. Some were even sexually assaulted in prison with some getting infected with STD or driven to suicide. Decades later through DNA testing it was discovered that they were innocent. Now imagine the grief suffered by these innocents and their families. If you researched matters such as these the horror of what some of these people went through would shock you.


Thus, when people in the posts above say there is a war on men, there is considerable truth in that.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Google "syrian women combatting ISIS".

How did you miss that one? It has been reported by the news media multiple times.
Ah! Silly me--I had American women in mind when I read your reply.
 
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You don't know me at all nor have you asked me anything to conclude what you have. I don't know where you drew any of those conclusions. My sources are not based on graduates you quoted. They're from my personal experience, my own formal education, experience of women and being one in today's society. Have you actually been educated in women's issues? Do you know some of the issues that women face today?
I know that I live in the UK, and in the UK, women are in a better position than men in man ways. Yes, inequality between sexes does exist, but it certainly isn't always in men's favour, and certainly not in the UK. The law requires equality in employment practices. It is illegal here to pay women a different wage to a man, for equal work. It is also illegal to choose an employee based on their gender.

Speaking as a woman who grew up in a male dominated household, who has had their own personal challenges living in the war on women, I would be careful the next time you speak to a girl scoffing 'total nonsense' and telling her to get her opinions outside of a feminist studies degree. It is incredibly ignorant and offensive and you show yourself up to be significantly uneducated not just in your lack of social regard but the complete absence of understanding on the issues women face today.
I'm actually very well educated, educated enough to know what that unsupported repetition and attacks on the credibility of the poster are logical fallacies.

You listed a couple of typical responses to the war on women but they're incredibly ignorant generalisations. I'll educate you in one: For a women to be believed in court that she has been been attacked by a man, it more often than not takes a man as a witness in the case to actually have the court convict the male of a crime.
The legal system in America, Britain and the United States all work on the premise that an accused party is innocent until proven guilty. In order to prove a man guilty, the case must be subjected to the same standards of proof as any other case. To prove a man guilty of rape, there must be actual proof that he commited the crime. Yes, it is incredibly difficult to prove in many cases, and the definition of rape varies between cultures, but the standard of proof remains. It is not enough to accuse. Neither is anecdotal evidence or tesimony by itself enough. Unless you have footage, DNA evidence, or multiple witness reports that can be shown to be unbiased, it is hard to prove. That's not to say that accusations should be taken as facts. I know of many cases where men are falsely accused of the crime, particularly in domestic scenarios and divorce hearings. False accusation is tantamount to perverting the course of justice yet is rarely if ever prosecuted, but again, it is difficult to prove false accusations. It is often a case of "his word against mine".

However, I do know that even when courts and lawyers maintain legitimate legal modus operandi, wider society still tarnishes men as guilty. False accusations tend, therefore, to utterly ruin men's lives regardless even if he is innocent.

One woman's voice and a group of women who have been attacked by the same person often isn't enough sufficient until a male's opinion is considered in the case. I show evidence of this in the clip previously posted, I'm not sure if you've watched, but I would encourage you to. Another example: Domestic violence. Here in Australia, our current statistics show that one woman dies every week at the hands of their husband as a result of abuse.
Women put in just as many hours, can illustrate just as much formal education, training and experience and equal pay for equal work is still an issue women face today in the work force.
I would say that women's testimonies aren't sufficient unless they are backed by hard evidence. My testimony that you beat me up with a shovel is not a standard for proof. A group of women could all accuse a man of rape, but it is a possibility still that the accusations are false. Again, just because many people say it, doesn't necessarily make it the truth. That is the view of the legal system.

As for the wage gap and the relative hours, experience and education. If you take every woman in the Western world and every man, and group them separately, men collectively earn more. However, men also do not generally take extended breaks for maternity (and in a society where upwards of 70% of women have children, this accumulates to a considerable amount of collective months that women are out of work; not gaining skills and not gaining experience). Note also that while women make up around 60% of college and university students, women also tend to choose career paths and degrees that do not pay as well. Women make up most arts students, while men make up most STEM students.

Men also work more dangerous jobs, far more often than women. Firemen; military men; coal miners; oil rig workers; pilots; police officers; gardeners; deep sea fishers. There are reasons these careers are more often dominated by men. Women often consider such work beneath them. By contrast, women tend to dominate caring professions. More women actively make career choices centred around safety, caring responsibilities, good maternity pay, and the need to work less hours. Women generally also retire several years earlier than men. All of this is well documented.

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Harvard prof. takes down gender wage gap myth | Washington Examiner

A friend of mine recently had a conversation with a woman who said "women don't do these jobs because society tells them they can't. Therefore, patriarchy forces women to earn less". My friend, after pointing out that women in the West have more reproductive rights, can choose to have children, take most alimony and maternity and child support, and collectively work less hours, delivered what was probably the single most damning line to anybody who asserts that women are forced into meager employment for meager wages. "This is a free country, a country where employment legislation demands employers and educational institutions utilize affirmative action and fair employment practices. Women choose what they choose, and men choose what they choose".

I find your comments ignorant generalisations that are incredibly lacking and offensive. I would ask you to educate yourself on the many issues that women experience both in the western and developing parts of the world before you make any further hollow statements.

You keep calling me ignorant and repeating the same things. But again you've failed to provide any evidence either of my lack of education, or of anything more substantial than your claims themselves.
 
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In south Omaha the other day with the wife when we heard what sounded like a fireworks extravaganza (did i spell that right?).

I tried to exit the main drag but people filled the streets with guns. We couldn't even back up for the crowd. On the east side of 24th street were hundreds of women cowering behind cars and what ever was available. On the west side were nothing but men with blazing guns aiming and firing at will at the throng of poor women.
Bullets hitting cars and windows, glass flying, women screaming out of panic and fear. The onslaught by men unrelenting, undetered, unwavering, unstoppable. I noticed even a couple of police cars in the mix with male officers brandishing their weapons, firing a cascade of fallng led upon the bedeviled ladies.

My wife and i, out of our car at this point, hurriedly scrambled down an adjacent alley, looking for cover. Then to my surprise, to my shock, to my dismay, to my angst, to my bewilderment, my wife pulled away from me screaming 'you slob, you sexist pig, you chauvinist monster!' Then she took off toward the otherside of 24th, joining the embattled females, leaving me in a total stuper.....then it hit me like a ton of bricks! This is the WAR ON WOMEN we've heard tell of. I had no idea it had reached this zenith, this flash point, this apex, this climax!

All of us horrible, low life, scum sucking pig, men need to become effeminate transgenders for the sake of peace, sensitvity, and equality.

I really cant think of any other solutions!
 

peacenik

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Omaha - isn't that the place where they sell insurance?

I bet all those brokers are going to get stiffed for some big money.
 

notmyown

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a war on women? not in my house, there ain't :p

one husband, one son, five daughters. ;)

and the men in our family are just wonderful. (the ladies, are, too haha!)

*sigh* just trying to keep things positive. things may not be as dire as we think. :)
 
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Rosesrock

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If war on women means hub bringing me coffee in bed and doing laundry ....then bring it on .
 

p_rehbein

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If war on women means hub bringing me coffee in bed and doing laundry ....then bring it on .
Yeah, yeah, typical woman, it's all about you..............sigh

(poor hubby, I'd pray for him, but he's probably an Auburn fan too)










:)
 
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Rosesrock

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Yeah, yeah, typical woman, it's all about you..............sigh

(poor hubby, I'd pray for him, but he's probably an Auburn fan too)










:)
He married in but smart enough to know how to let me win the war. Lol. :p
 

p_rehbein

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He married in but smart enough to know how to let me win the war. Lol. :p
Clearly he is not from Bama. Here we are BORN IN! It's required on the Birth Certificates ya know....that section on the top right that says

CIRCLE ONE AND ONE ONLY!

ALABAMA FAN..................................AUBURN FAN
 
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Rosesrock

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Clearly he is not from Bama. Here we are BORN IN! It's required on the Birth Certificates ya know....that section on the top right that says

CIRCLE ONE AND ONE ONLY!

ALABAMA FAN..................................AUBURN FAN
Dude the second he received Christ he circled auburn.
 

p_rehbein

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BAMA is God's Country............just saying........ :)
 
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Woohoo! Auburn! I love auburn.

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