Israel Stands Apart

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Read history. The palestinian's homeland is in Jordan and Syria not Israel.

I know...isn't it a shame that Israel fights for its existance?
 

Drett

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Read history. The palestinian's homeland is in Jordan and Syria not Israel.

I know...isn't it a shame that Israel fights for its existance?
So you would have no problem then if an Indian come to your home and forcibly removed you? It is their homeland after all.
 
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Dragging Palestinians, including Arab Christians, from their homeland would not help endear yourself to the region either.

"We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village." * Moshe Dyan, March 19, 1969, speech at the Technion in Haifa, quoted in Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969.

Yet people support these war crimes even against Christians. Oops, I am an anti Semitic now because I highlight human rights violations.
Sure you’re anti Semitic. And pro Palestinian. And you like to include Arab “Christians” in your response to sway the minds of those who really don’t understand what’s going on. And by God’s definition you are an antichrist for you do not believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, 1John 2:22. For you follow your false prophet mohammed who was nothing more than a murdering, lying, thieving, pedophile, who claimed that he was a messenger of God. But in truth is the false prophet spoken of in Revelation whose future of him and his followers are well described in the following verses.
Rev 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever

So why are you here on a Christian chat forum Drett if your not here to seek the truth that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God and accept Him as your Lord and Savior?
I know it’s not to “highlight human rights violations” as you said and want people to believe. Because you never seem to post anything about Islamic violence and aggression against those who will not submit to Islam and are having their human rights violated.

Come on admit it. Aren’t you here to promote the advancement of Islam and sway the minds of those who really don’t understand to get them to turn against Israel and feel sorry for the poor muslims who really want to destroy Israel, Christians, or anyone else who will not submit to Islam?

 

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Sure you’re anti Semitic. And pro Palestinian. And you like to include Arab “Christians” in your response to sway the minds of those who really don’t understand what’s going on. And by God’s definition you are an antichrist for you do not believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, 1John 2:22. For you follow your false prophet mohammed who was nothing more than a murdering, lying, thieving, pedophile, who claimed that he was a messenger of God. But in truth is the false prophet spoken of in Revelation whose future of him and his followers are well described in the following verses.
Rev 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever

So why are you here on a Christian chat forum Drett if your not here to seek the truth that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God and accept Him as your Lord and Savior?
I know it’s not to “highlight human rights violations” as you said and want people to believe. Because you never seem to post anything about Islamic violence and aggression against those who will not submit to Islam and are having their human rights violated.

Come on admit it. Aren’t you here to promote the advancement of Islam and sway the minds of those who really don’t understand to get them to turn against Israel and feel sorry for the poor muslims who really want to destroy Israel, Christians, or anyone else who will not submit to Islam?

So you try to redirect the talk to Islam versus Christianity to sway the minds to your way of thinking.

I included Christian Arabs to try to wake people up to what is happening. You apparently don't care. The yawning lion suits you. :)

I am here to highlight what people don't care too much about here. Crimes against people who happen to be Muslim by people representing you. The rest of the persecuted are looked after here.

My conscious is clear. I have done my small part to highlight human oppression. Happy to leave the rest to God. Judgement day is going to be a busy day.

Yes I expect a smart comment about how busy I will be on judgement day. :)
 
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So you try to redirect the talk to Islam versus Christianity to sway the minds to your way of thinking.

I included Christian Arabs to try to wake people up to what is happening. You apparently don't care. The yawning lion suits you. :)

I am here to highlight what people don't care too much about here. Crimes against people who happen to be Muslim by people representing you. The rest of the persecuted are looked after here.

My conscious is clear. I have done my small part to highlight human oppression. Happy to leave the rest to God. Judgement day is going to be a busy day.

Yes I expect a smart comment about how busy I will be on judgement day. :)
I don't usually respond to posts like this because I can see how completely blind you are and certainly nothing I can say will change it. Since I don't have an avatar guess you'll have to be a little more imaginative with a cut down.
 

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I don't usually respond to posts like this because I can see how completely blind you are and certainly nothing I can say will change it. Since I don't have an avatar guess you'll have to be a little more imaginative with a cut down.
I thought I was quite refrained considering what was stated in his post. Oh well.
 
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I thought I was quite refrained considering what was stated in his post. Oh well.
That's not the only post I've read of yours.
 
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Sure you’re anti Semitic. And pro Palestinian
That is somewhat of a catch-22. By definition, being against either would make you "anti-semetic."

But seriously, let's be honest, Drett not supporting the State of Israel and their misdeeds doesn't make him less Christian or support Islam. That's a serious Christian Zionist talking point. Why do some Christians ignore right or wrong as it relates to these people? Honestly, there are Jews worldwide that HATE the State of Israel; would they be called anti semetic, pro Palestine, anti-christ muslims also?
 
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I thought I was quite refrained considering what was stated in his post. Oh well.
So it bothers you when someone states the facts? Do you beieve that Christ is the only begotten Son of God was crucified, died and resurrected? No you don't so by Scriptural definition you and the false prophet you follow are antichrists! Doesn't islams own writings demonstrate mohammad was a liar, thief, murderer and pedophile? You could care less about the rights of the Arab Christians in Israel, your only purpose is to advance the cause of islam. You can lie and say you are truely concerned about the Arab Christians living in Israel but if you were truly concerned about those peoples rights and safety you would not be advocating for the elimination of Israel but instead advocating for the elimination of islam. Follow your lying, thieving, murdering, child doing false prophet to perdition, or reject that path and come to know Christ before it is to late!
 
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That is somewhat of a catch-22. By definition, being against either would make you "anti-semetic."

But seriously, let's be honest, Drett not supporting the State of Israel and their misdeeds doesn't make him less Christian or support Islam. That's a serious Christian Zionist talking point. Why do some Christians ignore right or wrong as it relates to these people? Honestly, there are Jews worldwide that HATE the State of Israel; would they be called anti semetic, pro Palestine, anti-christ muslims also?
Just an FYI Drett is not a Christian. He is a self admitted follower of the lying, thieveing, murdering, child doing (per islam's own writings) false prophet mohammad. It is a requirement of his faith to deny that God has a Son. So to state the fact that Drett is an antichrist and has an agenda is not out of order.
 
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Just an FYI Drett is not a Christian. He is a self admitted follower of the lying, thieveing, murdering, child doing (per islam's own writings) false prophet mohammad. It is a requirement of his faith to deny that God has a Son. So to state the fact that Drett is an antichrist and has an agenda is not out of order.
OK...I didn't know that. I guess I just saw a few of his post. *shrugs* So I retract the less than Christian comment but all in all, his viewpoints on this, I don't disagree with. There are Jews worldwide that hate the State of Israel, so what do we label them. And I'm not one to just spew like that. Muslims need Jesus just like Jews need Him. Talking about lying, thieving, murdering, and pedophilia, have you flipped through the Talmud? They all need a savior.
 

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Come on admit it. Aren’t you here to promote the advancement of Islam
i haven't seen him do that here.

and he's entitled to discuss world events any way he chooses.

human rights abuses are open for all to discuss.

there have been genocides committed by many nations.
yet only one seems to get a pass...with funding, and full-on support.
well, maybe 2.
one is very big and half-conscious.
the other is small and well.....you know how it goes.

the big one is committing genocide as we speak. on behalf of the little one.
 
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You do know that you can create your own enemies right? I mean, the desire to expand borders into other nations usually causes some type of tension.
Remember the Alamo.
 

zone

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Just an FYI Drett is not a Christian. He is a self admitted follower of the lying, thieveing, murdering, child doing (per islam's own writings) false prophet mohammad. It is a requirement of his faith to deny that God has a Son. So to state the fact that Drett is an antichrist and has an agenda is not out of order.
so, are you interested in continuing dialogue with Drett and continually speaking the truth of Christ to him?
or are you another lopsided Dual Covenant theologian who can only see in shades of white and brown.
 

zone

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OK...I didn't know that. I guess I just saw a few of his post. *shrugs* So I retract the less than Christian comment but all in all, his viewpoints on this, I don't disagree with. There are Jews worldwide that hate the State of Israel, so what do we label them. And I'm not one to just spew like that. Muslims need Jesus just like Jews need Him. Talking about lying, thieving, murdering, and pedophilia, have you flipped through the Talmud? They all need a savior.
now now jahsoul.....THAT kind of truth is not tolerated here.:rolleyes:

that Judaism says Christ is in hell boiling in semen and/or excrement shouldn't be mentioned.
those are the chosen people after all.
 
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So you would have no problem then if an Indian come to your home and forcibly removed you? It is their homeland after all.
Might be an apt analogy IF the palestinian homelands were Israel.

They are not. The palestinian homelands were in Jordan and Syria. They are a nomadic people. They were forced into Israel by their lovely arab neighbors to cause havoc.

You think Israel hates the palestinians, many of which are christian? No, its the muslim arab that hates palesitinains.

Its also the liberals. In their hatreds for Israel, they are prolonging this conflict.

Israel does not have clean hands because theya re fighting for their existence. Not as a nation, but for life itself. Their enemies, which I would include you in Drett, want them all dead. All. Dead.

You may, or may not want them all dead, but you support the false claims their enemies make. That lumps you in with them.

By the way, native american cultures were not pure. They eradicated populations of other natives and I know this is hard to accept but EVERY nation was formed on the blood and territories of others, not just the evil USA.
 
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OK...I didn't know that. I guess I just saw a few of his post. *shrugs* So I retract the less than Christian comment but all in all, his viewpoints on this, I don't disagree with. There are Jews worldwide that hate the State of Israel, so what do we label them. And I'm not one to just spew like that. Muslims need Jesus just like Jews need Him. Talking about lying, thieving, murdering, and pedophilia, have you flipped through the Talmud? They all need a savior.
I would label the jews who hate Israel as what they are...

liberals. See liberalism is so satanic it makes ethnic jews hate their own homeland for the sake of secular marxism and satan's agenda of eradicating the jews from the face of the earth.

Every claim made by the anti-Israel crowd has been refuted.

Its truly amazing the power of liberalism, the claim of compassion but the actions of hate.

Truly satanic.
 
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Dragging Palestinians, including Arab Christians, from their homeland would not help endear yourself to the region either.

"We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village." * Moshe Dyan, March 19, 1969, speech at the Technion in Haifa, quoted in Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969.

Yet people support these war crimes even against Christians. Oops, I am an anti Semitic now because I highlight human rights violations.
Not true. Here is an excerpt from a pretty good article on the subject. It reveals the same facts as other articles I have read.

"In the 2nd century c.e., the last attempt of the Jews to achieve independence from the Roman Empire ended with the well-known event of Masada, that is historically documented and universally recognized as the fact that determined the Jewish Diaspora in a definitive way. The Land where these things happened was until then the province known as Judæa , and there is no mention of any place called "Palestine" before that time. The Roman emperor Hadrian was utterly upset with the Jewish Nation and wanted to erase the name of Israel and Judah from the face of the Earth, so that there would be no memory of the country that belonged to that rebel people. He decided to replace the denomination of that Roman province and resorted to ancient history in order to find a name that might appear appropriate, and found that an extinct people that was unknown in Roman times, called "Philistines", was once dwelling in that area and were enemies of the Israelites. Therefore, according to Latin spelling, he invented the new name: "Palæstina", a name that would be also hateful for the Jews as it reminded them their old foes. He did so with the explicit purpose of effacing any trace of Jewish history. Ancient Romans, as well as modern Palestinians, have fulfilled the Hebrew Scriptures Prophecy that declares: "They lay crafty plans against Your People... they say: ‘come, let us wipe them out as a nation; let the name of Israel be remembered no more'." - Tehilim 83:3-4 (Psalm 83:3-4). They failed, as Israel is still alive. Any honest person would recognize that there is no mention of the name Palestina in history before the Romans renamed the province of Judea, that such name does not occur in any ancient document, is not written in the Bible, neither in the Hebrew Scriptures nor in the Christian Testament, not even in Assyrian, Persian, Macedonian, Ptolemaic, Seleucian or other Greek sources, and that not any "Palestinian" people has ever been mentioned, not even by the Romans that invented the term." Palestinian Myths
 

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Might be an apt analogy IF the palestinian homelands were Israel.

They are not. The palestinian homelands were in Jordan and Syria. They are a nomadic people. They were forced into Israel by their lovely arab neighbors to cause havoc.
what rubbish have you been reading?
handy-dandy zionist excerpts from Mark Twain?

Netanyahu’s Embrace of Mark Twain
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/20/netanyahus-embrace-of-mark-twain/?_r=0

...

how about:

Quoting Mark Twain out of context on Palestine

Posted on May 23, 2002
Introduction


Mark Twain's visit to Lebanon, Syria, and the Holy Land in 1867 was published in "The Innocents Abroad", where he described Palestine as follows:

"..... A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds... a silent mournful expanse.... a desolation.... we never saw a human being on the whole route.... hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."
(The Innocents Abroad, p. 361-362)

This quote has been widely circulated in Israeli text books, media outlets and many Jewish communities around the world as FACTS about Palestine. As we will prove below, this quote was taken out of context to portray Palestine as "empty, destitute, and a barren desert", of course until Israeli and Zionist Jews "made" its desert bloom.

Background

Before we analyze what Mark Twain wrote, the following facts should be taken into considerations:

Palestine's arable land is under is 17% of its total area, click here to view Israel's profile at CIA's Worldfact Book.

Mark Twain's visit occurred during the middle of the hot Mediterranean summer.
Mark Twain visited the region soon after the end of hostilities between Christian and Muslim Druze at Mount Lebanon, where over ten thousand Christian Arabs (mostly Maronites) were massacred in 1861, and that should explain his blatant racist remarks in respect of the Turks, Arabs, and Muslims in general.

Mark Twain's visit was brief by all accounts, which encompassed the areas that were only cited in the Bible.

Mark Twin provided no statistical data whatsoever about Palestine's agriculture and demographic make up. So his statements should not be taken as if they were written by an authoritative body.

Mark Twain often compared Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon to the fertile lands in the United States of America, which is clearly unfair. Both are in separate parts of the world, have different environments, different governments, ... etc.

Quotes from "The Innocent Abroad"

Mark Twain did not just describe Palestine as a barren desert, he also extended this description to Greece, Lebanon, and Syria. He stated:

"From Athens all through the islands of the Grecian Archipelago, we saw little but forbidden sea-walls and barren hills, sometimes surmounted by three or four graceful columns of some ancient temples, lonely and deserted---a fitting symbol of desolation that has come upon all Greece in these latter ages. We saw no ploughed fields, very few villages, no trees or
grass or vegetation of any kind, scarcely, and hardly ever an isolated house. Greece is a bleak, unsmiling desert, without agriculture, manufactures, or commerce, apparently." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 203)

"Damascus is beautiful from the mountain. It is beautiful even to foreigners accustomed to luxuriant vegetation, and I can easily understand how unspeakably beautiful it must be to eyes that are only used to the God-forsaken barrenness and desolation of Syria. I should think a Syrian would go wild with ecstasy when such a picture bursts upon him for the first time." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 262)

From the above quote, the reader may get the impression that Greece is also empty since he stated:

"We saw no ploughed fields, very few villages, no trees or grass or vegetation of any kind,"

On the other hand, he contradicts himself on the exact same page. He stated:

"The nation numbers only eight hundred thousand souls." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 203)

By any standard, it's really surprising how Mark Twain described the St. Sophia Church (which was converted to a mosque by the Turks), one of the the architectural marvels of the old and the new worlds. He described the church as follows:

"I do not think much of the Mosque of St. Sophia. I suppose I lack appreciation. We will let it go at that. It is the rustiest old barn in heathendom. I believe all the interest that attaches to it comes from the fact that it was built for a Christian church and then turned into a mosque, without much alteration, by the Mohammedan conquerors of the land." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 208)

Regarding the Muslim Ottoman Turks, Greeks, and Armenians, Mark Twain made the following racist remarks:

"[In Constantinople,] Mosques are plenty, churches are plenty, graveyards are plenty, but moral and whisky are scarce. The Koran does not permit Mohammedans to drink. Their natural instinct do not permit them to be moral. They say the Sultan has eight hundred wives. This almost amounts to bigamy. It makes our cheeks burn with shame to see such a thing permitted here in Turkey. We do not mind to see such thing in Salt Lake City, however." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 210-211)

"Greek, Turkish, and Armenian morals consist only in attending church regularly on the appointed Sabbath, and in breaking the ten commandments all the balance of the week. It comes natural to them to lie and cheat in the first place, and then they go on and improve on nature until they arrive at perfection." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 212)

"Everybody lies and cheats----everybody who is in business, at any rate. Even foreigners soon have to come down to the custom of the country, and they do not buy and sell long in Constantinople till they lie and cheat like a Greek. I say like a Greek, because Greeks are called the worst transgressors in this line." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 212)

"....I never dislike a Chinaman as I do these Turks and Arabs, and, when Russia is ready to war with them again, I hope England and France will not find it good breeding or good judgment to interfere." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 268)

Mark Twain accurately described the Ottoman tax collection, and its impact on the peasants in Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. He stated:

"The Syrians are very poor, and yet they are ground down by a system of taxation that would drive any other nation frantic. Last year their taxes were heavy enough, in all conscience----but this year they have been increased by the addition of taxes that were forgiven them in times of famine in former years." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 256-257)

As Mark Twain entered the cities of Nablus and Jaffa, he stated:

"The narrow canyon in which Nablous, or Shechem, is situated, is under high cultivation, and the soil is exceedingly black and
fertile. It is well watered, and its affluent vegetation gains effect by contrast with the barren hills that tower on either side." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 322)

"We came finally to the noble grove of orange trees in which the Oriental city of Jaffa lies buried." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 360)

Conclusion

Mark Twain is a renowned American author whose contribution to American literature is immense. On the other hand, what he wrote is filled with dangerous stereotypes, racism emotions, and in many cases contradictions. It's misleading to quote him, and to make him an authority about the region based on his brief trip. Israelis and Zionists are the best operators in spinning events to their advantage, and quoting Mark Twain out of context is a classic example of this. Ironically, those
same Zionists who propagated this myth omit many of Mark Twain's anti-Semitic remarks, and selectively quote what furthers their political agenda, he stated in 1898:

"Concerning the Jews, the Jewish race [as having an] unpatriotic disinclination to stand by the flag as a soldier . . . If the
concentration of the cunningingest brains in the world was going made in a free country . . . . , I think it would be politic to stop it. It will not be well to let that race find out its strength."

It should be that Mark Twain was not ashamed of such talk; he was proud.

- Palestine Remembered