Jesus like image on the clinic wall in minahasa for 30 minute

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EarnestQ

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How do they know it is Jesus and not Mac the sewage and septic sucking sewer guy?
 

Jackson123

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Its some kind of light reflection projected on the wall. When some woman got in front of the wall, the light was projected on her body.

I wonder why are they even standing there and making photos.
Yep it may light reflection. According to news paper they are standing there because a doctor, the first person that saw, frightened and call his nurse, than the crews come. I hear one say oh Tuhan mean oh God, other say itu Tuhan Yesus, mean that is Lord Jesus.

Seem to me some believe that is Jesus, some undecided.
 

Jackson123

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How do they know it is Jesus and not Mac the sewage and septic sucking sewer guy?
How Mac reflect himself? Mac must have high tech knowledge in a small town. It's possible, but Jesus have greater possibility, because He is omnipresent.
 

trofimus

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Yep it may light reflection. According to news paper they are standing there because a doctor, the first person that saw, frightened and call his nurse, than the crews come. I hear one say oh Tuhan mean oh God, other say itu Tuhan Yesus, mean that is Lord Jesus.

Seem to me some believe that is Jesus, some undecided.
I do not know what country this is, but as you describe it, people there seem to be very superstitious.
 

Jackson123

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In Muslim country, God use visions and dream to convert and convincing people


I heard a lot of testimonies about miracle in my country, one of them is my neighbors husband, a well known imam convert to Christian, losing his job, because dream. Other see vision of Jesus when he pray at his pilgrims to Mecca (hajj)

To create a visions is a piece of cake for Him.
 

Jackson123

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I do not know what country this is, but as you describe it, people there seem to be very superstitious.

It is, because experience. Both God and evil spirit demonstrate their power in my country

Look this link, Muslim install a mosque dome only with pray, no need high tech crane

 

trofimus

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It is, because experience. Both God and evil spirit demonstrate their power in my country

Look this link, Muslim install a mosque dome only with pray, no need high tech crane

The video is in very low quality, so its hard to say anything about it.

Just notice that there are many wires or ropes in the air and the direction the thing is moving is exactly as it would move if there was some rope from ground to the upper part of the mosque. The speed of the movement is exactly the same as if some people were pulling it.

My fast opinion is that the people around were celebrating/shouting while they were pulling the thing up. Later, because of the bad quality of the video, somebody got the idea that it moved without any help and the myth has begun.
 

Jackson123

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The video is in very low quality, so its hard to say anything about it.

Just notice that there are many wires or ropes in the air and the direction the thing is moving is exactly as it would move if there was some rope from ground to the upper part of the mosque. The speed of the movement is exactly the same as if some people were pulling it.

My fast opinion is that the people around were celebrating/shouting while they were pulling the thing up. Later, because of the bad quality of the video, somebody got the idea that it moved without any help and the myth has begun.
I do not see people pulling anything

In this link the writer tell where it happen it is in Indonesians but you can google

http://kipotzulkifli.blogspot.com/2010/03/kuba-terbang.html

I am experiencing that kind of fenomena, I never see flying dome but a lot of small thing happen in every days life.

For example, a shaman doing tonsillectomy use spon without bleeding to my neighbor's, children calling Spirit and ask a lot of thing, for example, what is the question and unswere will be in the school exam.

Look this link

http://kipotzulkifli.blogspot.com/2010/03/kuba-terbang.html
 

trofimus

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I do not see people pulling anything

In this link the writer tell where it happen it is in Indonesians but you can google

http://kipotzulkifli.blogspot.com/2010/03/kuba-terbang.html

I am experiencing that kind of fenomena, I never see flying dome but a lot of small thing happen in every days life.

For example, a shaman doing tonsillectomy use spon without bleeding to my neighbor's, children calling Spirit and ask a lot of thing, for example, what is the question and unswere will be in the school exam.

Look this link

http://kipotzulkifli.blogspot.com/2010/03/kuba-terbang.html
The links are useless, I do not understand the language.

Generally, its necessary to see any such claims with huge scepticism.
 

Jackson123

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The links are useless, I do not understand the language.

Generally, its necessary to see any such claims with huge scepticism.
You can use google translate.

But I believe the devil can do miracle. In Moses time when he turn his stake to snake, the shaman do the same.
 

trofimus

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You can use google translate.

But I believe the devil can do miracle. In Moses time when he turn his stake to snake, the shaman do the same.
Probably hypnosis or some other trick.
 

Jackson123

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Probably hypnosis or some other trick.
Hard to say, it happen in the Bible, devil can do miracle. Is hypnosis consider miracle? My neighbor perform tonsiletomy use spon without bleeding, don't you believe devil able to do miracle? So does God
 
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It is, because experience. Both God and evil spirit demonstrate their power in my country

Look this link, Muslim install a mosque dome only with pray, no need high tech crane

Videos can't always be trusted, in today's world video editors photo shop etc, there is a whole lot of different ways of adding content to videos to deceive people. not sure if you know but in early Christianity mechanical statues was a big underground business to early century churches to place in their church statues that bleed blood or tears or move etc. it is quite apolling the level of deception that some of those churhes would do to fool people. even today there is still churches that do things to deceive people. And that can be found in pretty much all religions.
 

Jackson123

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Videos can't always be trusted, in today's world video editors photo shop etc, there is a whole lot of different ways of adding content to videos to deceive people. not sure if you know but in early Christianity mechanical statues was a big underground business to early century churches to place in their church statues that bleed blood or tears or move etc. it is quite apolling the level of deception that some of those churhes would do to fool people. even today there is still churches that do things to deceive people. And that can be found in pretty much all religions.
Yep I understand. Some are lie, but I believe both a God and devil able to do miracle.

Magician of Egypt infront of the king turn rod to serpent.

I believe evil can do miracle, some shaman heal a lot of people. We as Christian should not used them, it is not free, devil heat you. But devil do have power.

Exodus 7:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
 

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These sensational stories have been doing the rounds for decades. I remember when I was age seven my teacher brought
in a newspaper with a supposed image of Jesus seen in a cloud to show us all. Its strange that these' miracles' never appear on buildings like the UN the White House or the Vatican. They only appear on Clinic walls or Corn Flakes. At least my early view had some biblical connection though I doubt that 'every eye' saw it at the time.
 

Jackson123

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These sensational stories have been doing the rounds for decades. I remember when I was age seven my teacher brought
in a newspaper with a supposed image of Jesus seen in a cloud to show us all. Its strange that these' miracles' never appear on buildings like the UN the White House or the Vatican. They only appear on Clinic walls or Corn Flakes. At least my early view had some biblical connection though I doubt that 'every eye' saw it at the time.

Yep, It happen in Jakarta (Indonesian capital city) 2001. This link is in Indonesian but you can use Google Translate. It was big news, thosand people come every days because It happen every days for a month.

My friend life in Jakarta was one among thousand who witness. It happen in the house of muslim hajj
His wife is Christian, and he was Convert for some time, but back to islam. He do not like people come to his house, he paint the wall hope the image go, he call police to stop people come, but the image move to the out side wall where people able to see from the distance. The image come and go usualy in the evening.

My friend told me, he, his wife and his mother and father in law went there at about 7 PM that day. He Said a thousand there wait for the Lord. He wait till 12 and he almost give up. He can not wait any longer, tommorow he had to work. When he about to leave he heard people scream, The Lord is coming. He say,
He, his wife, his mother in law and father in law see Jesus in different possition. For Example. His wife SAW Jesus in 45degree angle, he SAW in different angle.

https://stefanikha.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/penampakan-yesus-di-kramat-v/