Legalizing Marijuana

eph610 · Nov 4, 2016

There are initiatives working in Colorado, that would lower the age of consent for any kind of sexual activity between opposite sex and same sex people to 13....Other initiatives in the works for Colorado include legalization of cocaine, tranquilizers, LSD[acid] prostitution[gay and straight], brothels/bath houses[gay and straight] lowering the drinking age to 18....

The out of state interests getting this stuff pushed through Colorado are located in California....There are many studios that have already relocated their admin offices to the Denver area...many CA businesses are coming to the 7 county Denver are....they all know it is only a matter of time, before the state of CA goes bankrupt...

Smoke · Nov 4, 2016

Elizabeth619 said:

I'll bite on this message.

In that case, lets make things legal that ought to be illegal that are immoral. You say we are on a moral decline, so lets turn this back by making criminal to do any of the following: premarital sex, drunkenness anywhere (even at home), any other type of medicinal drug that may be beneficial to one's illness and/or quality of life, and not believing/following Jesus Christ.

Who cares about freedom of religion, we know we follow the one-true God, the Savior of the world Jesus Christ. It should be illegal to do anything contrary to God's word.

Why should we allow people the ability to abuse alcohol? Lock them up! Those immoral substance abusers! They add to the moral decay of society.

Lets give anyone who has ever engaged in premarital sex a criminal rap sheet. Carnal sins are specifically called out in the bible. This will be huge in stopping the moral decline of society.

Liberty sometimes means allowing people to do things that we don't necessarily agree with, provided they aren't taking anyone's free will away in the process. Liberty doesn't mean we only allow people to do things we personally think are moral. This is why the US has been the greatest country in recorded history. If you believe in less freedom, then ban all drugs/alcohol, not just marijuana, punish people who commit premarital sex...

Dude653 · Nov 4, 2016

notuptome said:

We're not discussing if it's right. We're discussing if it should be illegal.

Dude653 · Nov 4, 2016

Smoke said:

I'll bite on this message.

In that case, lets make things legal that ought to be illegal that are immoral. You say we are on a moral decline, so lets turn this back by making criminal to do any of the following: premarital sex, drunkenness anywhere (even at home), any other type of medicinal drug that may be beneficial to one's illness and/or quality of life, and not believing/following Jesus Christ.

Who cares about freedom of religion, we know we follow the one-true God, the Savior of the world Jesus Christ. It should be illegal to do anything contrary to God's word.

Why should we allow people the ability to abuse alcohol? Lock them up! Those immoral substance abusers! They add to the moral decay of society.

Lets give anyone who has ever engaged in premarital sex a criminal rap sheet. Carnal sins are specifically called out in the bible. This will be huge in stopping the moral decline of society.

Liberty sometimes means allowing people to do things that we don't necessarily agree with, provided they aren't taking anyone's free will away in the process. Liberty doesn't mean we only allow people to do things we personally think are moral. This is why the US has been the greatest country in recorded history. If you believe in less freedom, then ban all drugs/alcohol, not just marijuana, punish people who commit premarital sex...

Exactly. Theocracy would be tyranny

Elizabeth619 · Nov 4, 2016

Smoke said:

God ordained government for the good of mankind. Not to regulate sin. fyi, marijuanas "benefits" is a temporary fix. And usually that fix is only for a few hours. It is mind altering and constant use of the drug has not been proven to be beneficial to ones "quality of life".
Yet many seem to forget that when one becomes a Christian they're no longer of this world and condoning certain things(legal or not) is not what Christianity is about. You cannot love God while condoning sinful things and calling it "liberty"

eph610 · Nov 4, 2016

Elizabeth619 said:

sorry we are not a theocracy....and we never have been and the sooner the USA church folks understand that, the better...you cannot and will not ever be able to legislate morality...this is perhaps the greatest lie Satan has spread to the church...

Elizabeth619 · Nov 4, 2016

eph610 said:

I'm aware this isn't a theocracy. I'm also aware that 99% of those that support the legalization of marijuana is for recreational use yet exploit medicinal use for their own personal benefit. I've known too many potheads that come up with any excuse to smoke pot. Including using others illnesses.

Elizabeth619 · Nov 4, 2016

Smoke said:

I'll bite on this message.

In that case, lets make things legal that ought to be illegal that are immoral. You say we are on a moral decline, so lets turn this back by making criminal to do any of the following: premarital sex, drunkenness anywhere (even at home), any other type of medicinal drug that may be beneficial to one's illness and/or quality of life, and not believing/following Jesus Christ.

Who cares about freedom of religion, we know we follow the one-true God, the Savior of the world Jesus Christ. It should be illegal to do anything contrary to God's word.

Why should we allow people the ability to abuse alcohol? Lock them up! Those immoral substance abusers! They add to the moral decay of society.

Lets give anyone who has ever engaged in premarital sex a criminal rap sheet. Carnal sins are specifically called out in the bible. This will be huge in stopping the moral decline of society.

Liberty sometimes means allowing people to do things that we don't necessarily agree with, provided they aren't taking anyone's free will away in the process. Liberty doesn't mean we only allow people to do things we personally think are moral. This is why the US has been the greatest country in recorded history. If you believe in less freedom, then ban all drugs/alcohol, not just marijuana, punish people who commit premarital sex...

The topic is legalizing marijuana. Not making things illegal that's already legal. Yet, in the senerios you've mentioned there are consequences of those actions. Legal consequences

Smoke · Nov 4, 2016

Elizabeth619 said:

I'm in the medical field and know for a fact that there are an extraordinary amount of people who beg to differ with you about their "quality of life" improving because of it. Furthermore, there are countless studies, many still ongoing, that show cannabis as a cancer fighting agent (depending on the dosage and length of time).

If you say "government is not to regulate sin", then why did you make mention that we should "make everything that is illegal, legal" due to the moral decline? I understand that was hyperbolic, but morality shouldn't be enforced by the government, defending individual LIBERTY should be what the government is primarily suppose to be there for. If you are for using marijuana and you're not taking anyone's liberty away (you're not driving/involved with the public), then you should have that liberty to sin. If you're against it, as I am, then I don't have to smoke it. But to not allow something because I disagree with it on a personal level isn't championing liberty; it's just exercising my version of "liberty."

Smoke · Nov 4, 2016

Elizabeth619 said:

I was responding to your post:

Elizabeth619 said:

I'm not sure what the legal consequences of someone being drunk at home, having premarital sex, or using prescribed drugs for medicinal/quality of life reasons. The government allows people to do those things, even if we disagree with them on a moral level.

The government is not a moral compass. It shouldn't be a moral compass. Jesus Christ should be our moral compass, but I won't support a law that requires us to make Him so.

Elizabeth619 · Nov 4, 2016

Smoke said:

I do agree with you. I just couldn't personally support the legalization of a drug and not feel conviction. I should explain more but I'm about to go to dinner. Talk later hopefully

Smoke · Nov 4, 2016

Elizabeth619 said:

I can understand the conviction you might have about legalizing marijuana. Even Reagan championed "the war on drugs is a war we must win". Most of us probably respect Reagan after all. This is one of the things I disagreed with him on though.

The best way to stop people from abusing drugs is to teach that in the home. The schools can assist, but it can't be the primary factor to stop people from engaging in drug use. In my home, I plan to teach my children that abusing drugs is wrong and it defiles our bodies, a temple God has given us for this life.

I'll be more pleased of my son for choosing to exercise his liberty righteously, in accordance to the gospel of Jesus Christ, than because the government required him to do something or not do something. If we teach children to exercise their liberty righteously, in a way that is pleasing to the Savior, a law forbidding or allowing something would be trivial and unnecessary.

Oncefallen · Nov 4, 2016

I really can't respond in the fashion that I want to here because then I would have to ban myself permanently. The only moderately polite way that I can respond to these posts is to say that someone sold you a load of garbage and you bought it because the alternative possibility is that you intentionally and bold faced lied in your posts (which I really hope is not the case).

eph610 said:

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/unpacking-pots-impact-in-colorado/

Traffic deaths in which marijuana was "involved" is up 154% from 2006 (37) to 2014 (94). Now, in order for marijuana to be "involved" one of the drivers involved only had to have a positive THC test, not necessarily be impaired or be the at fault driver. Some recorded instances of "pot related" accidents have had barely readable levels of THC and over twice the legal limit of alcohol so that 154% is higher than it really should be since many "pot related" accidents were drunk drivers.

Two Years Later: Has the Legalization of Marijuana Affected Crime in Colorado?

Denver crime stats since marijuana legalization buck fears of Louisiana lawmakers over lowering penalties | NOLA.com

Overall the crime rate has decreased since the legalization of marijuana.

eph610 said:

More hogwash. There was a pot shop security guard killed in the Denver area back in June of this year. That is the only murder of a pot shop employee that I was able to find that happened in Colorado. Yes, pot shops get broken into and have merchandise stolen but so do gun stores, liquor stores, etc. In most pot shop robberies the perps are after the cash not the marijuana.

eph610 said:

And alcohol and tobacco are the gateway drugs to marijuana.

eph610 said:

Once again, I live in Colorado and know better. The legal age for purchasing/possessing recreational marijuana is 21. Possession of marijuana or paraphernalia by someone under 21 is a violation of CRS18-13-122

eph610 said:

It is illegal to smoke pot in ANY public place (other than the few municipalities that have ok'ed pot lounges).

eph610 said:

Where do you get this garbage??

jenniferand2 · Nov 4, 2016

kaylagrl said:

Genesis 9:3 - Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. There are no easy answers on the pot thing I do know that many people live with really bad pain and pot does help with that it also helps cure cancer and other illnesses so I would have to say yes on letting it be legal people use it anyways more then not so just do it and make it another thing the government can tax like crazy

RickyZ · Nov 4, 2016

Smoke said:

Reagan fired the first shot in the class war. He's the reason the average worker hasn't seen an effective raise in over 30 years, and why the average worker no longer has health and retirement benefits. He's the reason corporations pay no tax and park trillions of dollars offshore. He's the force that created the 1%. The middle class began to die the day he took office.

There that oughta stir the hornets nest. The truth usually does.

Sirk · Nov 4, 2016

RickyZ said:

I think it happened sooner than that....as in when the dollar started being propped up by debt.

Smoke · Nov 4, 2016

jenniferand2 said:

Excellent scripture sister. I wouldn't doubt if some brothers and sisters would want this scripture removed from the bible as it conflicts with their anti-medicinal marijuana stance.

Sirk · Nov 4, 2016

you can take synthetic heroin prescribed by a doctor that is highly addictive, destroys lives and that's not even considering the enormous financial toll it takes....and you don't hear a christian bat an eye about that....but someone smokes a little weed to help with their anxiety or pain or whatever and people lose their minds.

RickyZ · Nov 4, 2016

Sirk said:

Taking the dollar off the gold standard was indeed a precursor. That was Nixon, another Republican.

Republicans take your money and give it to their wealthy friends.

Democrats take your money and give it to their lazy supporters.

Why would you want more of either?

(Wow did I just re-rail a thread? That's a first)

Sirk · Nov 4, 2016

RickyZ said:

It was on Nixon's watch that the dollar was pegged to oil. He even promised that we would never print more than what it was actually worth. One of these days we could be paying 5 grand for a loaf of bread.

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