Man killed in Utah FBI raid allegedly posted death threats against Biden

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posthuman

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Physical evidence is much better than eyewitness accounts. We have a saying "physical evidence doesn't lie".
interesting that, despite multiple recounts and inquiries, there is zero physical evidence of any kind of widespread voter fraud in the last election, isn't it?
 

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interesting that, despite multiple recounts and inquiries, there is zero physical evidence of any kind of widespread voter fraud in the last election, isn't it?
I quit watching the "news" over a decade ago... so I know nothing about the last election.
Still, in the 1996 election there was many (proven) cases of electoral fraud.
In Fairfax Co., Va., there was a case where 25,000 or more ballots found in the dumpster behind the main Post Office. And this was also reported to be the case (or similar) in several states.
Also, many ballots were proven to be fake... the persons supposedly voting were either long since deceased of some fictional character, including cartoon characters.
Not to mention countless occurrences of voting-booths not operating properly and even giving "false" results.

I can't see why anyone would take voting in America as a serious endeavor anymore??
 

ZNP

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give me the evidence this was a "hit squad" or an "execution" as you keep calling it.
I am not saying that it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. What I am saying is that when a group of men show up in the early morning, shoot a man dead in his house, drag his body out into the street and leave him to bleed out, that it has the appearance of a hit squad. What I am saying is that the government has this tremendous power over civilians where they can do this and so with that power they also have a tremendous responsibility to allay our fears. It is their job to tell us, right away why they had to do this. That is Biblical, the Bible says to "avoid the appearance of evil". I have made it clear that this appears bad and so they must come and clear up the questions we have.

On the surface it seems reasonable, they are there serving a warrant to arrest him and search his home. He posted a threat on the internet requiring them to check him out. He resisted, pointed a gun at them, and so they shot back and killed him.

OK, show me the body cam footage, show me the gun. The man was in his house, he wasn't robbing a bank or kidnapping someone.

This is what they always do, they flip the burden of responsibility around. During the pandemic "show me the proof the vaccine is harmful"? I don't have the proof, Pfizer does, it is their responsibility by law to show me it is safe and effective.

In the same way I don't have any proof in this case, it is not my responsibility, it is the Feds responsibility to prove that this wasn't a hit squad. Surely they have all the evidence they keep referring to, show it to us.
 

ZNP

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I quit watching the "news" over a decade ago... so I know nothing about the last election.
Still, in the 1996 election there was many (proven) cases of electoral fraud.
In Fairfax Co., Va., there was a case where 25,000 or more ballots found in the dumpster behind the main Post Office. And this was also reported to be the case (or similar) in several states.
Also, many ballots were proven to be fake... the persons supposedly voting were either long since deceased of some fictional character, including cartoon characters.
Not to mention countless occurrences of voting-booths not operating properly and even giving "false" results.

I can't see why anyone would take voting in America as a serious endeavor anymore??
He used the word "widespread". It is a trick that liars use. To change the outcome of a close election you only need to flip a few swing states. 80% of your states are not swing states so by definition if you don't have voter fraud in those states the fraud is not "widespread".

The issue is not "widespread" voter fraud but voter fraud that was significant enough to change the outcome of the election. Mike Lindell just provided that evidence today.

https://rumble.com/v388mvv-episode-2958-live-from-missouri-lindell-election-summit.html

Episode 2958: Live From Missouri: Lindell Election Summit

There a couple of very good summaries of all the evidence of voter fraud that was significant enough to have changed the outcome of the election.
 

ZNP

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Can you imagine going to a doctor and they say "I have good news and bad news, first the bad news you have terminal cancer in your lungs that will kill you. The good news is it hasn't spread to any other organs so it is not "widespread""
 

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He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life:
but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction.
(Proverbs 13:3)

Psalm 141:3, Proverbs 21:23, Proverbs 12:13, Proverbs 13:3, Proverbs 18:21
:)
 

ZNP

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Set a guard O' Lord over my mouth because

You cannot question elections unless you are a Democrat.

You cannot trespass in Congress building unless you are Ray Epps.

You cannot put children in cages at the border unless you are Joe Biden.

You cannot stiff the IRS unless you are Hunter Biden.

You cannot question a police/Fed response unless you are BLM.

You cannot incite a riot unless you are Maxine Waters.
 

posthuman

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In Fairfax Co., Va., there was a case where 25,000 or more ballots found in the dumpster behind the main Post Office. And this was also reported to be the case (or similar) in several states.
are you conflating this myth

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fairfax-gave-biden-extra-votes/

with this myth

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/10/27/ballots-dumpster-postal-worker/

and this news article

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/fairfax-county-rescanning-20k-ballots-from-early-voting-locations

?

Because I couldn't find anything about what you alleged.

an awful lot of blatant misinformation went around after Trump lost. pretty easy to get bamboozled by the conservative media propaganda in those months.
 

posthuman

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Set a guard O' Lord over my mouth because

You cannot question elections unless you are a Democrat.

You cannot trespass in Congress building unless you are Ray Epps.

You cannot put children in cages at the border unless you are Joe Biden.

You cannot stiff the IRS unless you are Hunter Biden.

You cannot question a police/Fed response unless you are BLM.

You cannot incite a riot unless you are Maxine Waters.
Do. you honestly believe any of these things are literally true or are you just angry about worldly partisan politics and want to make your reader equally angry about the same worldly things by posting hyperbole?
 

ZNP

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ZNP

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Do. you honestly believe any of these things are literally true or are you just angry about worldly partisan politics and want to make your reader equally angry about the same worldly things by posting hyperbole?
Not trying to make anyone angry, I am trying to condemn the sinful world with the word of righteousness that they would confess and repent of their hypocrisy.
 

posthuman

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That is my point, they attacked Trump repeatedly for "children in cages" something that was started with Obama, but just recently we discovered a huge concentration camp for children on the border and the MSM says nothing. You are clearly not aware of the latest breaking news.
so your point was that you weren't telling the truth when you wrote that

oh
 

ZNP

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so your point was that you weren't telling the truth when you wrote that

oh
My point is that the MSM was silent about this when Obama was president, they screamed about it for four years when Trump was president including AOC doing her little drama, and then with Biden the situation has become exponentially worse and again they are all silent including AOC.

The cages are far worse under Biden but I don't hear a peep out CNN or MSNBC or AOC

Child concentration camps discovered in U.S. near Texas border | Redacted w Clayton Morris

PASHEEN STONEBROOKE
AUG 15, 2023

https://divadrops.substack.com/p/child-concentration-camps-discovered

 

posthuman

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pretty interesting term, 'mainstream media'

coined by fox news, who has by far the largest viewership in the country.

They are by definition, 'mainstream news' themselves - the most mainstream of all.

i do love irony
 

posthuman

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My point is that the MSM was silent
are you sure? fox pretty much built their entire audience on the Simpsons and hating on Obama. I'd be really surprised no one on fox (king of ALL MSM) never brought it up if it was the case then.
 

ZNP

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pretty interesting term, 'mainstream media'

coined by fox news, who has by far the largest viewership in the country.

They are by definition, 'mainstream news' themselves - the most mainstream of all.

i do love irony
No one watches Fox news.


5,000 children in old Walmarts with guards surrounding this place.
 

ZNP

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are you sure? fox pretty much built their entire audience on the Simpsons and hating on Obama. I'd be really surprised no one on fox (king of ALL MSM) never brought it up if it was the case then.
I don't watch Fox news, it is TV for stupid people. I used to watch Tucker Carlson, but since he was forced out their ratings have plummeted.