Man Survives Three Days in Sunken Ship

[TheAristocat]

Diver rescues man trapped in sunken ship

The obvious parallel is Jonah and the great sea creature. This man spent three days on the ocean floor in a sunken ship filled with utter darkness, freezing cold, strange noises, a lack of sleep, and a lack of proper nourishment. After praying for these three days to God he was delivered from his prison.

I just like the reporters' surprise at how little room he had for oxygen and how he was still able to survive in these cramped quarters.

 

[Ritter]

Man can live for for Coca Cola for three days. This too is a miracle.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

Before we claim this as gods work let's look at the mechanics of this.

Why did god allow it to happen in the first place? Why did it take three days for god to answer his prayers? Did god think "oh he'll be ok for a few days, i'll do it later"?

And it was men who found him, luck yes! Miracle no!

 

[Ritter]

Before we claim this as gods work let's look at the mechanics of this.

Why did god allow it to happen in the first place? Why did it take three days for god to answer his prayers? Did god think "oh he'll be ok for a few days, i'll do it later"?

And it was men who found him, luck yes! Miracle no!

All things are Providential. Whether the man was found or left to die, it was all under God's sovereign gaze.

The reasons for it? Who is to say?

 

[IntoTheVoid]

Living on coca cola for three days however, is something I cannot explain lol

 

[mystdancer50]

Wow. This short story brought tears to my eyes. I will have to watch the video at home, though.

Then I step in back in here to reply and see cynicism. So is the life of jaded Christians, I guess.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

Jaded? Please explain the miracle.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

And also explain how the other 11 men on the boat died? A miracle this certainly is not.

 

[mystdancer50]

So you know the mind of God, then, and you alone can define what constitutes a miracle or not? To the man that survived, it was a miracle. It is easy on the shore to mock those dying in the waves. What if you were the one that survived in his situation? Would you then say it wasn't a miracle? Would you then be so harsh and cynical?

I daresay one of the greatest sins of Christians is the cold and callous way they treat others and the way they respond to things. No compassion. No celebration. No rejoicing. Just cynicism and cold judgment. I now understand the frustrations of others that I so blithely ignored on here. Christians really can be jerks at times, myself included, which is quite evident here, I wager.

 

[jimmydiggs]

And also explain how the other 11 men on the boat died? A miracle this certainly is not.

Your notion of miracle is akin to the belief that God just cleans out hospitals on a daily basis. If that happened, you'd probably still object to it. "It's not a miracle! They're not walking on water!"

 

[zone]

Before we claim this as gods work let's look at the mechanics of this.

Why did god allow it to happen in the first place? Why did it take three days for god to answer his prayers? Did god think "oh he'll be ok for a few days, i'll do it later"?

And it was men who found him, luck yes! Miracle no!

IntoTheVoid

perhaps a day will come when you will be the man in a sunken ship.
i wonder what you will do then?

 

[jimmydiggs]

IntoTheVoid

perhaps a day will come when you will be the man in a sunken ship.
i wonder what you will do then?

Prepare to meet thy maker.

 

[Isa615]

God is what i call a "long-term strategist." His plans are so big, that only He can see the end results. it may not make sense to us, since we can only see one move at a time. God, however, can see all the moves all the time. all He asks of us is to trust that He knows what He's doing.

 

[TheAristocat]

So you know the mind of God, then, and you alone can define what constitutes a miracle or not? To the man that survived, it was a miracle. It is easy on the shore to mock those dying in the waves. What if you were the one that survived in his situation? Would you then say it wasn't a miracle? Would you then be so harsh and cynical?

I daresay one of the greatest sins of Christians is the cold and callous way they treat others and the way they respond to things. No compassion. No celebration. No rejoicing. Just cynicism and cold judgment. I now understand the frustrations of others that I so blithely ignored on here. Christians really can be jerks at times, myself included, which is quite evident here, I wager.

Mystdancer, IntoTheVoid is not a Christian. I believe he's an atheist. So his initial reaction is understandable. Personally, I would like some details about this story explained. Particularly how the man was able to survive 1. with very little to no sleep, 2. in freezing cold, and 3. in a not-so-large pocket of air for three days. Whether or not this is a miracle, it's actually somewhat humorous to see that it was specifically "three days" because I had been studying the Job story recently and the use of the number three appeared conspicuous to me. It made me think it was akin to a folk tale where tripartite repetition is the norm. But such an allegation remains unproven, and - as we can see - may actually have been based on fact.

 

[ServantStrike]

Man can live for for Coca Cola for three days. This too is a miracle.

Americans do it all the time....

Then again we aren't the healthiest bunch.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

So you know the mind of God, then, and you alone can define what constitutes a miracle or not? To the man that survived, it was a miracle. It is easy on the shore to mock those dying in the waves. What if you were the one that survived in his situation? Would you then say it wasn't a miracle? Would you then be so harsh and cynical?

I daresay one of the greatest sins of Christians is the cold and callous way they treat others and the way they respond to things. No compassion. No celebration. No rejoicing. Just cynicism and cold judgment. I now understand the frustrations of others that I so blithely ignored on here. Christians really can be jerks at times, myself included, which is quite evident here, I wager.

No I don't know the mind of god. I'm not even a Christian. I was responding to those that think they do. People said god was responsible for him being saved and I asked why did god allow it to happen in the first place, why he waited three days to save him and why he allowed 11 others to die.

Bad luck got him in that situation,
Why can't good luck get him out of it?

As for the definition of a miracle.... I thought a miracle was a suspension of the natural order (conveniently on your favour).

There was no suspension of the natural order... A boat capsized. Other people heard of this and went to look for the bodies and fortunately one man was still alive.

I'm not being cynical. I'd say I was being realistic.

 

[TheAristocat]

There was no suspension of the natural order... A boat capsized. Other people heard of this and went to look for the bodies and fortunately one man was still alive.

Not that I disagree with you, but without further investigation it seems a little premature to say his survival was completely natural or completely a miracle. All we know is that he survived when his survival seemed very unlikely. I think if there are biases here they're not just inherent in one side of the discussion.

This is why I wanted my previous questions about the event answered.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

Oh yeah of course. My take on it is no more correct than yours. I just see if from a different angle lol

 

[Drett]

People have different takes depending on whether they believe this world is all that there is or not. If it is all that there is then they will cling to it. If you believe this world is just a pit stop to your true home, you go with the flow. Whether this event is classed as a "miracle" or not, it is what God wanted. You accept any test or blessing God may give you and keep moving forward.

My take is it was not his time and he is going to appreciate life a lot more now. He may even start to think about his soul and that may just give him something to live for in the next life.

 

[TheAristocat]

Oh yeah of course. My take on it is no more correct than yours. I just see if from a different angle lol

If you want my take on the story you can read my previous post:

Personally, I would like some details about this story explained. Particularly how the man was able to survive 1. with very little to no sleep, 2. in freezing cold, and 3. in a not-so-large pocket of air for three days. Whether or not this is a miracle, it's actually somewhat humorous to see that it was specifically "three days" because I had been studying the Job story [...] It made me think it was akin to a folk tale where tripartite repetition is the norm. But such an allegation remains unproven, and - as we can see - may actually have been based on fact.

That said, I believe in the Jonah story. And I also feel that what is natural is defined by what is supernatural and vice versa. What one is the other is not. But this is an inadequate definition based on our rather antiquated perceptions of the universe that have been challenged recently by modern science. If it can be proven that a man can survive hypothermia in freezing water while breathing the limited supply of oxygen that he did for three days while shouting and going without sleep and proper nourishment, then it becomes much easier to see how God may have not had a hand in his survival. It's all about God's involvement or lack thereof. Whether or not its natural doesn't mean a lot, since we can't accurately define what is natural.