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Bushido8000; said:
Sorry but I completely agree with the guy's statements. It would be ignorant to feel safe around a cop whom you didn't personally know. MOST cops have an "us vs. them" mentality and stopped being cops with the invention of the taser gun and easement on physical fitness requirements. Now any former school bullied victim can become a cop and exercise complete and total power/domination. :/
2 uncensored seconds on liveleak + everyday interaction should prove my statements none-contradictory. The credibility is in statistics and statements from current and former police officers which are incredibly alarming. google them up bud 
2 uncensored seconds on liveleak + everyday interaction should prove my statements none-contradictory. The credibility is in statistics which are incredibly alarming. google them up bud prepare to throw away everything you once knew about the duality of good/evil when it comes to cops.
Not for nothing, but these two statements are completely contradictory..........................goodness............ ??? credibility?
prepare to throw away everything you once knew about the duality of good/evil when it comes to cops.Not for nothing, but these two statements are completely contradictory..........................goodness............ ??? credibility?
I don't think he's talking about or condoning the action, but rather voicing his (and many other American's) feelings towards police. Just because you are angry and feel like shooting cops for the countless injustices they commit everyday doesn't mean you will or should. He just voiced an expression and in that expression even clarified that he had no intentions of killing cops.
The truth is that the Police State poses way more of a threat than ISIS ever has or ever will. ISIS doesn't kill, injure, and falsely imprison tons Americans in our country, cops do.
The truth is that the Police State poses way more of a threat than ISIS ever has or ever will. ISIS doesn't kill, injure, and falsely imprison tons Americans in our country, cops do.
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Bushido8000; said:
Sorry but I completely agree with the guy's statements. It would be ignorant to feel safe around a cop whom you didn't personally know. MOST cops have an "us vs. them" mentality and stopped being cops with the invention of the taser gun and easement on physical fitness requirements. Now any former school bullied victim can become a cop and exercise complete and total power/domination. :/
2 uncensored seconds on liveleak + everyday interaction should prove my statements none-contradictory. The credibility is in statistics which are incredibly alarming. google them up bud prepare to throw away everything you once knew about the duality of good/evil when it comes to cops.
Not for nothing, but these two statements are completely contradictory..........................goodness... ......... ??? credibility?
2 uncensored seconds on liveleak + everyday interaction should prove my statements none-contradictory. The credibility is in statistics and statements from current and former police officers which are incredibly alarming. google them up bud
Hmm, you kinda "edited" my comment and your comments that I quoted, but I suppose that worked to your advantage...... Apparently you chose to "edit out" this comment..........
QUOTE: And thats the problem I guess. I grew up not needing cops in Alaska. It was expected that if an intruder broke into your house, you need to grab your gun and take care of the situation because nobody was coming in time anyway. Cops were more like a clean up crew up there END QUOTE........
This comment is contradictory to your first comment I quoted...........If you do not see that, then that may be part of your problem.....???
2 uncensored seconds on liveleak + everyday interaction should prove my statements none-contradictory. The credibility is in statistics which are incredibly alarming. google them up bud
prepare to throw away everything you once knew about the duality of good/evil when it comes to cops.Not for nothing, but these two statements are completely contradictory..........................goodness... ......... ??? credibility?
2 uncensored seconds on liveleak + everyday interaction should prove my statements none-contradictory. The credibility is in statistics and statements from current and former police officers which are incredibly alarming. google them up bud
Hmm, you kinda "edited" my comment and your comments that I quoted, but I suppose that worked to your advantage...... Apparently you chose to "edit out" this comment..........
QUOTE: And thats the problem I guess. I grew up not needing cops in Alaska. It was expected that if an intruder broke into your house, you need to grab your gun and take care of the situation because nobody was coming in time anyway. Cops were more like a clean up crew up there END QUOTE........
This comment is contradictory to your first comment I quoted...........If you do not see that, then that may be part of your problem.....???
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[h=1]UPDATE: Nebraska senator defends comments about police & ISIS[/h]
FULL TRANSCRIPT from KFOR clip:"My ISIS is the police. And you know the county attorney said, Don Kleine, if the officer makes a mistake, if he's wrong, but he had reason think that he's right, then he's clear. I cannot get away with that and shoot you and say, 'Well, I thought he was going to do something. The say, 'uh uh, buddy that doesn't work.' We presume that these officers are trained. To show how little they're training and how they hide behind it, some guy out East was fired because he was dealing with a guy that had mental problems. he was on duty, shot the guy 14 times and was fired. Now he's trying to get his job back. And you know what the lawyers are arguing, and he's justifying the, not finding any fault in what these cops are doing, he said, 'yes, he shot the man 14 times, but it was within his training.' so now if the police are trained to shoot somebody in the back, then the cop shoots him in the back says it was pursuant to my training and he's home free. That's what's happening. I would tell you all people if you tell somebody to go across the room to fight for ISIS, they can put you in jail, if you just talk about it. If you want to fight injustice, don't - you don't have to go around the world to find the ISIS mentality. Your ISIS is in America. And you're likely to die over there way one way or the other. So if you're going to die, die making your home safe. My home is not threatened by ISIS. Mine is threatened by the police. The police are licensed to kill us, children, old people. They showed a guy on a highway, the highway trooper - he had this elderly black woman down over here, just beating the stew out of her. And nothing's done to him. That's what I see. Now suppose somebody told me somebody from ISIS did that. Then everybody's up in arms, 'See what cowards they are? They beat women in broad daylight.' But when a cop does it it's all right. I don't feel that way. And if I were going to do something, but I'm not a man of violence, I wouldn't go to Syria. I wouldn't go to Iraq. I wouldn't go to Afghanistan. I wouldn't go to Yemen. I wouldn't go to Tunisia, I wouldn't go to Lebanon. I wouldn't go to Jordan. I would do it right here. Nobody from ISIS ever terrorized us as a people as the police do daily. And they get away with it. And they've been given a license now. And people don't like me to say this but you reign in your cops and you know what they say, 'the racism of the cops is merely reflective of the racism in the society' and they accept existence of racism to excuse the cop, but then when I say there’s racism in society, they say, ‘You’re playing the race card. Your talking about it makes it happen.’ But when they want to justify the cop, they say he’s merely reflective of the community where there is white racism and that’s what I’m – you don’t have to deal with that, you’re privileged. You’re free of that. You don’t have to think about it every day. If I was going to carry a weapon, it wouldn't be against you and it wouldn’t be against these people who come here that I might have a dispute with, mine would be for the police. And if I’m carrying a gun, I’m going to shoot it first and then ask questions later like they say the cop wont to do. So would I get away with it? You know I couldn’t get away with it. They better hope I never lose my mind and find out that I’m on my way out of here.”
And there's this small new clip: [video=youtube;28Y1-YR7AR4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Y1-YR7AR4[/video]
[h=1]UPDATE: Nebraska senator defends comments about police & ISIS[/h]
FULL TRANSCRIPT from KFOR clip:"My ISIS is the police. And you know the county attorney said, Don Kleine, if the officer makes a mistake, if he's wrong, but he had reason think that he's right, then he's clear. I cannot get away with that and shoot you and say, 'Well, I thought he was going to do something. The say, 'uh uh, buddy that doesn't work.' We presume that these officers are trained. To show how little they're training and how they hide behind it, some guy out East was fired because he was dealing with a guy that had mental problems. he was on duty, shot the guy 14 times and was fired. Now he's trying to get his job back. And you know what the lawyers are arguing, and he's justifying the, not finding any fault in what these cops are doing, he said, 'yes, he shot the man 14 times, but it was within his training.' so now if the police are trained to shoot somebody in the back, then the cop shoots him in the back says it was pursuant to my training and he's home free. That's what's happening. I would tell you all people if you tell somebody to go across the room to fight for ISIS, they can put you in jail, if you just talk about it. If you want to fight injustice, don't - you don't have to go around the world to find the ISIS mentality. Your ISIS is in America. And you're likely to die over there way one way or the other. So if you're going to die, die making your home safe. My home is not threatened by ISIS. Mine is threatened by the police. The police are licensed to kill us, children, old people. They showed a guy on a highway, the highway trooper - he had this elderly black woman down over here, just beating the stew out of her. And nothing's done to him. That's what I see. Now suppose somebody told me somebody from ISIS did that. Then everybody's up in arms, 'See what cowards they are? They beat women in broad daylight.' But when a cop does it it's all right. I don't feel that way. And if I were going to do something, but I'm not a man of violence, I wouldn't go to Syria. I wouldn't go to Iraq. I wouldn't go to Afghanistan. I wouldn't go to Yemen. I wouldn't go to Tunisia, I wouldn't go to Lebanon. I wouldn't go to Jordan. I would do it right here. Nobody from ISIS ever terrorized us as a people as the police do daily. And they get away with it. And they've been given a license now. And people don't like me to say this but you reign in your cops and you know what they say, 'the racism of the cops is merely reflective of the racism in the society' and they accept existence of racism to excuse the cop, but then when I say there’s racism in society, they say, ‘You’re playing the race card. Your talking about it makes it happen.’ But when they want to justify the cop, they say he’s merely reflective of the community where there is white racism and that’s what I’m – you don’t have to deal with that, you’re privileged. You’re free of that. You don’t have to think about it every day. If I was going to carry a weapon, it wouldn't be against you and it wouldn’t be against these people who come here that I might have a dispute with, mine would be for the police. And if I’m carrying a gun, I’m going to shoot it first and then ask questions later like they say the cop wont to do. So would I get away with it? You know I couldn’t get away with it. They better hope I never lose my mind and find out that I’m on my way out of here.”
And there's this small new clip: [video=youtube;28Y1-YR7AR4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Y1-YR7AR4[/video]
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Bushido8000; said:
Sorry but I completely agree with the guy's statements. It would be ignorant to feel safe around a cop whom you didn't personally know. MOST cops have an "us vs. them" mentality and stopped being cops with the invention of the taser gun and easement on physical fitness requirements. Now any former school bullied victim can become a cop and exercise complete and total power/domination. :/
2 uncensored seconds on liveleak + everyday interaction should prove my statements none-contradictory. The credibility is in statistics which are incredibly alarming. google them up bud prepare to throw away everything you once knew about the duality of good/evil when it comes to cops.
Not for nothing, but these two statements are completely contradictory..........................goodness... ......... ??? credibility?
2 uncensored seconds on liveleak + everyday interaction should prove my statements none-contradictory. The credibility is in statistics and statements from current and former police officers which are incredibly alarming. google them up bud
Hmm, you kinda "edited" my comment and your comments that I quoted, but I suppose that worked to your advantage...... Apparently you chose to "edit out" this comment..........
QUOTE: And thats the problem I guess. I grew up not needing cops in Alaska. It was expected that if an intruder broke into your house, you need to grab your gun and take care of the situation because nobody was coming in time anyway. Cops were more like a clean up crew up there END QUOTE........
This comment is contradictory to your first comment I quoted...........If you do not see that, then that may be part of your problem.....???
2 uncensored seconds on liveleak + everyday interaction should prove my statements none-contradictory. The credibility is in statistics which are incredibly alarming. google them up bud
prepare to throw away everything you once knew about the duality of good/evil when it comes to cops.Not for nothing, but these two statements are completely contradictory..........................goodness... ......... ??? credibility?
2 uncensored seconds on liveleak + everyday interaction should prove my statements none-contradictory. The credibility is in statistics and statements from current and former police officers which are incredibly alarming. google them up bud
Hmm, you kinda "edited" my comment and your comments that I quoted, but I suppose that worked to your advantage...... Apparently you chose to "edit out" this comment..........
QUOTE: And thats the problem I guess. I grew up not needing cops in Alaska. It was expected that if an intruder broke into your house, you need to grab your gun and take care of the situation because nobody was coming in time anyway. Cops were more like a clean up crew up there END QUOTE........
This comment is contradictory to your first comment I quoted...........If you do not see that, then that may be part of your problem.....???
could it be the part about needing them to clean up the mess? uniformed cleaning ladies are a little different than street bullies who shoot innocents and lie for each other.
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Quote " ISIS doesn't kill, injure, and falsely imprison tons Americans in our country, cops do." Not yet,but given time they will be here.Wanna bes are here and going there.But they've been told to stay put and do damage in the country they are in.
Now to the next point...Are there corrupt cops,priests/preachers,teachers,coaches,politicians,business people in America? Yes there are.Can you compare cops to ISIS who have beheaded,crucified and tied to fences children and adults. Forcibly raped endless amounts of women,and underage girls. Forced people to flee their homes and stave and die on a mountain.How you can compare them to cops here in America is ridiculous,outrageous and unfair.Its flabbergasting that you would make such an outrageous claim. And its also totally irresponsible.This hating of cops is spreading like wildfire across the country and officers are getting killed.Shame on you for suggesting cops are the same as ISIS,utter nonsense. A Boston cop was shot in the face on Friday.Hes 34yrs old.It looks like he'll live but he'll never be the same again. ISIS are evil,demonic,barbaric,inhuman and they are not like the cops in America.The senator should be fired for such an outrageous lie.
Decorated Boston police officer shot in the face - CNN.com
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" ... many other American's feelings ... " that are irrational, biased, and based on the lie, "Hands up, don't shoot." It is idiots like Chambers perpetuate the lie every time they open their mouths and spew stupidity and hate like this. The Boston police officer who was shot Friday on a routine traffic stop is another case in point of the idiocy behind this "movement" which is actually fed and encouraged by the corrupt attitudes of Obama, Holder, et al. And you perpetuate it with this idiocy of your own:
That's nothing short of moronic, and your comment makes me sick. Tell me, if you have a burglary, a robbery, or even just a traffic accident, do you not call the police to assist because you stupidly believe they commit "countless injustices ... every day?" You tell me, where would you be without the police? And you're gonna talk about them like this?
The irony here is that, if you ever actually need them, even if they know you have this biased stupidty in your head, they will still show up, they will still protect and serve, they will do their job despite the fact you don't respect or value them.
God help you. He's the only one who can.
That's nothing short of moronic, and your comment makes me sick. Tell me, if you have a burglary, a robbery, or even just a traffic accident, do you not call the police to assist because you stupidly believe they commit "countless injustices ... every day?" You tell me, where would you be without the police? And you're gonna talk about them like this?
The irony here is that, if you ever actually need them, even if they know you have this biased stupidty in your head, they will still show up, they will still protect and serve, they will do their job despite the fact you don't respect or value them.
God help you. He's the only one who can.
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Good, because you have nothing with which to debate. Your viewpoint is based on a false narrative perpetuated by black racists.
By the way, it isn't name calling when it's the truth.
The key word being "usually." I agree, normally the use of that kind of verbiage is because there's no defense, no point to be made, but the poster feels as though he has to say something. When they do, in that case, it's a huge mistake.
In this case, however, I included a couple key questions which, by your bowing out of the discussion, you don't have to answer. Which is, in and of itself, quite telling.
By the way, it isn't name calling when it's the truth.
The key word being "usually." I agree, normally the use of that kind of verbiage is because there's no defense, no point to be made, but the poster feels as though he has to say something. When they do, in that case, it's a huge mistake.
In this case, however, I included a couple key questions which, by your bowing out of the discussion, you don't have to answer. Which is, in and of itself, quite telling.
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Well then, based solely on your empirical data, all prisons should be evacuated, then immediately shut down, since there are no guilty offenders housed in them. In addition all law enforcement positions within the United States should be eliminated at once since the truth according to you is that American law enforcement is more of a threat than ISIS. What a great insight you have! Could it just be, our magnificent soothsayer, it's only due to the fact that ISIS does not yet possess a sufficient force to do just that. To compare law enforcement to ISIS is asinine as well as your rant. By the way I was absolutely unaware the prison population was counted by the pound "falsely imprison tons". Wow, what research to support your shallow way of thinking.
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Its really due to the age gap I think. Pretty much all of us under thirty would very much like to see police authority greatly reduced and liability when they commit a crime increased to at least the same threshold that an average citizen would be punished for committing the same offense. Almost every generation that is pre-millenial are very much about supporting and even increasing police authority. A very huge difference in world view and mentality
We are peceiving an epidemic of police brutality, immorality, and abuse of power when we look at police. They see them as the good ol boys in blue you can always trust and depend on when your in trouble. Its not surprising that you pretty much never see any agreement between the two sides. Completely different perspectives.
We are peceiving an epidemic of police brutality, immorality, and abuse of power when we look at police. They see them as the good ol boys in blue you can always trust and depend on when your in trouble. Its not surprising that you pretty much never see any agreement between the two sides. Completely different perspectives.
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Police officers who cross the line are punished on a regular basis. They are fired for using excessive force, often charged criminally, and even more often found civilly liable when the victim sues. It isn't an age thing, either. It is more about the perception of what constitutes justice, the need for policing, and the willingness of some, young or old, to believe or reject false narratives.
We are seeing an epidemic of this false narrative, "Hands up! Don't shoot!" It is pervasive, it has a life of its own, it refuses to die -- even though it is proven to be a lie. It is the shaky foundation this "battle cry" is built upon that causes the dialogue to become bogged down in rhetoric set in concrete. The side that says police brutality is an every day, perhaps an every hour occurrence, refuses to see the evidence that real police brutality is extremely rare. Even when the irrefutable statistics are shown in black and white, they are dismissed as "the cops covering their own a**es."
It is impossible to deal with such a stoic refusal to see the truth. Now for "my side," if you will, we probably give police officers too much credit. There is, perhaps, somewhat of an age factor to this issue, though not as pronounced, nor as widely divided, as you implied.
We who experienced the terrorist attacks on New York City, Washington, and the failed hijack over Pennsylvania, embraced police officers after 9/11, which is now far enough in our past that someone your age can't recall it from an adult perspective.
That's not to say a 15-year-old, as you were then, can't think like an adult. But let's face it, while you saw 9/11 for the tragedy it was, you had bigger fish to fry -- the big game on Friday, the cute new girl in math class, the partying you and your friends were going to do on the weekend. I know, because I was the same way with the RFK and MLK assassinations. A nation mourned, but we had a baseball game to play.
What I'm saying is, we took the 9/11 perception too deeply into your psyches, and may give police too much of a break. Nonetheless, the statistics still prove that there are 100 times more black violent crimes each year in the U.S. that there are police brutality cases. One of the latter is too many, but let's not take our focus off the much larger problem in order to unfairly vilify the police. Far less than 1% of them will ever be involved in a police brutality case. Too bad we can't give that kind of percentage for young black men 15-24 who get arrested for a violent crime.
We are seeing an epidemic of this false narrative, "Hands up! Don't shoot!" It is pervasive, it has a life of its own, it refuses to die -- even though it is proven to be a lie. It is the shaky foundation this "battle cry" is built upon that causes the dialogue to become bogged down in rhetoric set in concrete. The side that says police brutality is an every day, perhaps an every hour occurrence, refuses to see the evidence that real police brutality is extremely rare. Even when the irrefutable statistics are shown in black and white, they are dismissed as "the cops covering their own a**es."
It is impossible to deal with such a stoic refusal to see the truth. Now for "my side," if you will, we probably give police officers too much credit. There is, perhaps, somewhat of an age factor to this issue, though not as pronounced, nor as widely divided, as you implied.
We who experienced the terrorist attacks on New York City, Washington, and the failed hijack over Pennsylvania, embraced police officers after 9/11, which is now far enough in our past that someone your age can't recall it from an adult perspective.
That's not to say a 15-year-old, as you were then, can't think like an adult. But let's face it, while you saw 9/11 for the tragedy it was, you had bigger fish to fry -- the big game on Friday, the cute new girl in math class, the partying you and your friends were going to do on the weekend. I know, because I was the same way with the RFK and MLK assassinations. A nation mourned, but we had a baseball game to play.
What I'm saying is, we took the 9/11 perception too deeply into your psyches, and may give police too much of a break. Nonetheless, the statistics still prove that there are 100 times more black violent crimes each year in the U.S. that there are police brutality cases. One of the latter is too many, but let's not take our focus off the much larger problem in order to unfairly vilify the police. Far less than 1% of them will ever be involved in a police brutality case. Too bad we can't give that kind of percentage for young black men 15-24 who get arrested for a violent crime.
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I don't agree with the hands up dont shoot narrative either. The evidence doesn't support that. Im just talking about cold hard police brutality in general. Its something I have personally seen multiple times in my life, and its not just myself.......you can't say its rare because too many people have seen it and too much has been caught on video. Some locations are worse than other of course. I do have to say that the city I live in now is full of great cops, very professional and they have no complaints against them at all that I am aware of. I have lived in places where cops were extremely abusive though.
The whole issue with the bad ones is that they do not get prosecuted most of the time. Most of the times their victims are poor and don't have the courage or the means to standup to them, and even if they are punished.....its usually a suspension without pay for a crime you or I would serve years for. Most of the times victims only have their words against the cops in a court of law, who do you think the court is going to listen to first in those situations? You can't get a valid statistic here for those reasons. The dirty cops enjoy legal shelter that any other kind of criminal does not have access to.
The whole issue with the bad ones is that they do not get prosecuted most of the time. Most of the times their victims are poor and don't have the courage or the means to standup to them, and even if they are punished.....its usually a suspension without pay for a crime you or I would serve years for. Most of the times victims only have their words against the cops in a court of law, who do you think the court is going to listen to first in those situations? You can't get a valid statistic here for those reasons. The dirty cops enjoy legal shelter that any other kind of criminal does not have access to.
Nope. Maybe 20-30 years ago but not today. Police officers are often allowed SEVERAL complaints (sometimes serious ones at that) before any action is taken against him/her (unless the crime/violation was deemed a liability for the department). A lot of the time when a cop makes the news, he/she has already had multiple complaints for various acts against them.
But that's like supporting all of our recent/current military operations and when told that it's wrong saying "well yeah...but remember when we were the good guys in WWII?" and giving them a free pass to do whatever they want.
Not sure what black people have to do with the debate that we are facing a police state. Hitler used his military/law enforcement officers to place his thumb of control upon his people the exact same way that our government is using their law enforcement officers. Unconstitutional checkpoints, unconstitutional search/seizures, and for many, immunity to the justice system.
Police are out of control, I've experienced it firsthand.
P.S. I'm guessing you might think police opposers are black and that's what the black crime references are about? I'm fully white.
But that's like supporting all of our recent/current military operations and when told that it's wrong saying "well yeah...but remember when we were the good guys in WWII?" and giving them a free pass to do whatever they want.
Not sure what black people have to do with the debate that we are facing a police state. Hitler used his military/law enforcement officers to place his thumb of control upon his people the exact same way that our government is using their law enforcement officers. Unconstitutional checkpoints, unconstitutional search/seizures, and for many, immunity to the justice system.
Police are out of control, I've experienced it firsthand.
P.S. I'm guessing you might think police opposers are black and that's what the black crime references are about? I'm fully white.
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You need to post proof of this allegation. It happens I work with polioce departments in administering applicants' psychological exams, and I meet with officers involved in duty-related shootings in several cities on both sides of the state line. Your statement is completely erroneous, and is in fact just more product of the false narrative your generation has irrationally bought into.
Here you're barking up the wrong tree. You're assuming the liberal slant on post-Iraqi and Afghan invasions is accurate. It isn't. It, too, in a different sense, is a false narrative. There is no basis for calling our military operations against terror organization and governments that sponsor terrorism "wrong."
As with military ops, there have been mistakes made, but the big difference between mistakes made prior to Vietnam and since is that the news media, and it's collective bias piggy-baked on it's complete lack of understanding of military operations, garbles the story to the point what the public hears bears no resemblence whatsoever to reality.
You're assuming that's what the debate is about, and it isn't. The "debate," if there is one, is over whether the narrative regarding police and alleged use of excessive force is accurate. You have automatically assumed that the narrative is accurate. Since it isn't, we can't have a discussion, since your view is based on a completely false premise. What we have is actually less use of excessive force since 1990, with the reports holding stead for the last ten years, according to DOJ statistics.
Totally irrelevant. Anyone who actually believes this is going on today in the U.S. is not living in reality. It is a fear-mongering straw man argument.
If they were out of control, there would be far more than 1.4% of all civilian-police contacts resulting force or threat of force -- not "excessive force" -- of which only 14% resulted in formal complaints, and of those less than five percent were not dismissed as "unfounded."
No, I realize young whites are irrational about police use of force, too. I would point out that DOJ's stats show that over 98% of those who complain of police "excessive force" are either arrested, or were found to provoke the situation.
Cops don't go out looking to give people a hard time. The psychological exams myself and others give potential police candidates eliminate those who have a propensity to overuse their authority long before they even begin training. The police officers on the streets are, with some exceptions -- our methods are not perfect -- the most well-balanced, mentally healthy individuals around. I know you don't buy that, but your problem is, it's the truth.
Here you're barking up the wrong tree. You're assuming the liberal slant on post-Iraqi and Afghan invasions is accurate. It isn't. It, too, in a different sense, is a false narrative. There is no basis for calling our military operations against terror organization and governments that sponsor terrorism "wrong."
As with military ops, there have been mistakes made, but the big difference between mistakes made prior to Vietnam and since is that the news media, and it's collective bias piggy-baked on it's complete lack of understanding of military operations, garbles the story to the point what the public hears bears no resemblence whatsoever to reality.
You're assuming that's what the debate is about, and it isn't. The "debate," if there is one, is over whether the narrative regarding police and alleged use of excessive force is accurate. You have automatically assumed that the narrative is accurate. Since it isn't, we can't have a discussion, since your view is based on a completely false premise. What we have is actually less use of excessive force since 1990, with the reports holding stead for the last ten years, according to DOJ statistics.
Totally irrelevant. Anyone who actually believes this is going on today in the U.S. is not living in reality. It is a fear-mongering straw man argument.
If they were out of control, there would be far more than 1.4% of all civilian-police contacts resulting force or threat of force -- not "excessive force" -- of which only 14% resulted in formal complaints, and of those less than five percent were not dismissed as "unfounded."
No, I realize young whites are irrational about police use of force, too. I would point out that DOJ's stats show that over 98% of those who complain of police "excessive force" are either arrested, or were found to provoke the situation.
Cops don't go out looking to give people a hard time. The psychological exams myself and others give potential police candidates eliminate those who have a propensity to overuse their authority long before they even begin training. The police officers on the streets are, with some exceptions -- our methods are not perfect -- the most well-balanced, mentally healthy individuals around. I know you don't buy that, but your problem is, it's the truth.
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uhh ohh.. VW works with the po-po.. better not tell him where I hid Sirk's body.. lol jk
lol jk
"Yes, I remember you, sir. Thanks for giving me a clean mental bill of health so I could get this job!
"Please sign the ticket at the bottom to acknowledge receipt, not guilt, and if you want to pay the fine in advance, the mailing address is at the bottom. Have a nice day, sir."