No substance in Trumps message

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Of course I think there is a lot of substance to what he is saying and to what he is telling us he will do. Seems that Trump and Cruz are the only two with enough backbone to stand up to the Washington DC syndicate.

Where is our republican congress that we elected? MIA is where they are. Probably at a cocktail party rubbing elbows with James Carville.


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Of course I think there is a lot of substance to what he is saying and to what he is telling us he will do.
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Trump is the angry, conspiracy-oriented right’s Obama, insomuch as his policy statements are ill-defined, pliable, and reflective of whatever the audience immediately before him wants them to be. He can say anything and everyone in the audience will hear something different. They (and no offense, Sirk, but apparently you as well) hear profundity where there is only ignorance, sagacity where there is only denseness, insight where there is only calculated disclarity.

Most of his supporters are apparently easily entertained and have a level of discernment a mile wide and an inch deep. Your continued promotion of this moron for president who says absolutely nothing, refuses to detail any action plans about anything, and is little more than a barker for a carnival peep show -- not to mention possessing really bad hair -- baffles me. As I've said before, you're smarter, more educated, and just plain better than being a Trump supporter.
 
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Trump is the angry, conspiracy-oriented right’s Obama, insomuch as his policy statements are ill-defined, pliable, and reflective of whatever the audience immediately before him wants them to be. He can say anything and everyone in the audience will hear something different. They (and no offense, Sirk, but apparently you as well) hear profundity where there is only ignorance, sagacity where there is only denseness, insight where there is only calculated disclarity.

Most of his supporters are apparently easily entertained and have a level of discernment a mile wide and an inch deep. Your continued promotion of this moron for president who says absolutely nothing, refuses to detail any action plans about anything, and is little more than a barker for a carnival peep show -- not to mention possessing really bad hair -- baffles me. As I've said before, you're smarter, more educated, and just plain better than being a Trump supporter.
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I think you just described the American electorate and then attributed their deer in the headlights look to Trump. I know that in my business I have to speak my customers language so they can understand what I am saying and hold their attention and gain their trust. Does that make me a blowhard or just savvy?
 
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Me, I want the good Doctor in there. Ben Carson.
 
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Viligant_Warrior said:
Trump is the angry, conspiracy-oriented right’s Obama, insomuch as his policy statements are ill-defined, pliable, and reflective of whatever the audience immediately before him wants them to be. He can say anything and everyone in the audience will hear something different. They (and no offense, Sirk, but apparently you as well) hear profundity where there is only ignorance, sagacity where there is only denseness, insight where there is only calculated disclarity.

Most of his supporters are apparently easily entertained and have a level of discernment a mile wide and an inch deep. Your continued promotion of this moron for president who says absolutely nothing, refuses to detail any action plans about anything, and is little more than a barker for a carnival peep show -- not to mention possessing really bad hair -- baffles me. As I've said before, you're smarter, more educated, and just plain better than being a Trump supporter.
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If you really meant 'no offense' as you claim, then you wouldn't have publicly insulted him and called his intelligence into question in front of the whole site. Saying 'no offense' doesn't take the offensiveness out of your words, it actually shows that you put forethought into being offensive.
 
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Sirk said:
Of course I think there is a lot of substance to what he is saying and to what he is telling us he will do. Seems that Trump and Cruz are the only two with enough backbone to stand up to the Washington DC syndicate.

Where is our republican congress that we elected? MIA is where they are. Probably at a cocktail party rubbing elbows with James Carville.


[video]http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-trump-is-teaming-up-with-another-2016-candidate-to-fight-obama-in-a-bold-way/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=WesternJournalism& utm_content=2015-08-28[/video]
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Can you post a link to a site that lays out Trumps views most clearly and succinctly?
I truly am having trouble getting a radar fix on the gent.
 
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I think you just described the American electorate and then attributed their deer in the headlights look to Trump. I know that in my business I have to speak my customers language so they can understand what I am saying and hold their attention and gain their trust. Does that make me a blowhard or just savvy?
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Big difference between you and Trump brother. You actually CARE about other people, and not just for what you can get out of them, or how they can help you enrich yourself. Trump? The ONLY thing Trump cares about is Trump.

Now, he surely is "savvy." Or, sly like a fox. Trump knows how to play the game, and how to assure that whatever happens benefits him. His god is the almighty dollar. His goal is to increase the value of Trump. The Trump Brand.

If anyone doubts this, they should go back to the Debate, listen carefully to all of his comments made there, He even ADMITS what I have said here. Yet, not one single person in the Media held him to task for his comments. Why?

If Trump is the choice we are presented with, I'll just write in your name. You are head and shoulders above Trump when it comes to humanity and Christian humility.
 
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I think you just described the American electorate and then attributed their deer in the headlights look to Trump. I know that in my business I have to speak my customers language so they can understand what I am saying and hold their attention and gain their trust. Does that make me a blowhard or just savvy?
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Perhaps my post was more in the the vein of speaking to a stubborn, self-willed addict than to a friend who I see as somewhat misguided in his continuing support of The Donald. If, as Ugly suggested, my "no offense" comment failed to take the sting out of my words, I apologize, and ask your forgiveness.

I'm sorry, but when I hear my flesh-and-blood friends speak postively of Trump, I want to grab them by the shirt collars and slap them around -- not exactly professional behavior for a counselor, I admit. I feel the same toward you, Sirk. You're a good friend. I like you. I value you your opinions, most of the time. But supporting Trump in the face of Dr. Carson, Sen. Rubio, Carly Fiorina -- even Sen. Cruz, who is also caustic, just not like Trump -- is a concept I just utterly fail to grasp.

So I'll tone this down from now on. But I'll still try to electronically "slap you around" a bit when I sense you're going off the deep end again.

No, you're not a blowhard. Savvy? Until I see you abandon Trump, I'll reserve judgment. Fair enough?
 
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Willie-T said:
Me, I want the good Doctor in there. Ben Carson.
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I'm still holding out on Carson until I see an official statement about his position on illegal immigration but other than that I like what I see so far. I'm just disappointed that he was in town last night and I forgot about it until it was too late to get there.
 
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I'm still holding out on Carson until I see an official statement about his position on illegal immigration but other than that I like what I see so far. I'm just disappointed that he was in town last night and I forgot about it until it was too late to get there.
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From what I have heard him say..........he proposes the FIRST thing we have to do is secure the Border to end the flood of illegals. Without doing this, the problem can never be resolved. As I understood him, he would use an "all of the above" strategy to securing the Border. As for those already here, I understand he says this is a debate that can be had once the Border is secure, but he does not believe it is possible to round up some 12 to 20 million illegals and ship them back to wherever.........and I agree. Logistically speaking, it may be possible (if one takes possible to the extreme definition) but it is neither practical or cost effective.
 
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If Trump is the nominee, the Dems will win no matter who they nominate.
He simply can not win.
 
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I think we are pretty screwed no matter who gets in this time. The last politician who actually cared about America (and morality within it) was Ron Paul. He was straight up about what he believed in and laid out exactly what he thought was right and wrong about America (which is why the powers that be would never let him get elected.)

There's a reason why the Republican Party backs these candidates, folks. The same reason why the Democrat Party backs their candidates. The same reason why Obama didn't do away with George Bush's tyrannical bills and policies (he just built on top of them), and the same reason why the next Republican in office won't touch Obama's tyrannical bills and policies (they will just build on top as well.)

If you think there is ANY DIVISION between the ideals and goals of the Republican and Democratic parties, you are very much in the dark.
 
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A somewhat 'comprehensive summary' on where Mr. Trump stands on the issues...

Donald Trump on the Issues
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Interesting. Lots of comments about things he doesn't like or thinks should change. Not one word about how.

Example: "Cut the Department of Education way, way down." Which areas? What programs? How much -- "way, way down" not being an amount?

That is typical of his "message." There are a lot of things wrong, but he hasn't a clue how to attack them.

IOW, he's a typical voter, not a valid candidate. The average voter would make a terrible leader. So would Trump.
 
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Sirk.
Can you post a link to a site that lays out Trumps views most clearly and succinctly?
I truly am having trouble getting a radar fix on the gent.
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I wanted to respond to this at least because I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you. Apologies... but life just got really busy for me and I my time is being in another direction. I'll probably be posting something about some things that are going on in my life in the family forum. I think it's an important thing for my friends here to know.
 
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I'm still holding out on Carson until I see an official statement about his position on illegal immigration but other than that I like what I see so far. I'm just disappointed that he was in town last night and I forgot about it until it was too late to get there.
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Ben Carson on immigration

He's right. We can't deport the entire population of 11 to 30 million illegals. It would be a bureaucratic and logistical nightmare. That's why Trump's plan is so out of touch with reality, as well as a challenge to constitutional concepts that have carried the force of law for nearly 150 years. We can't repeal the Fourteenth Amendment. There has to be a path to citizenship for "good citizen illegals" and there has to be deportation for the criminals that have sneaked into the U.S. and committed every crime from shoplifting to rape and murder.

The borders have to be made as secure as possible, though closing them is impossible. We have 1,989 miles of border with Mexico, 3,987 milles of border with Canada, excluding Alaska, which is another 1,538 miles. In addition, we have an incredible 23,706 miles of international coastline along the Atlantic, Gulf, Pacific, and Arctic coasts. Closing that much space would be totally impossible, short of placing land- and sea-mines, which is equally ridiculous and impossible.

We can still make our borders far more secure than they have been under Obama.
 
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The mainstream media pundits, whom are about 93% liberal progressives, are raging at and about Trump. They hypocritically threw their full weight behind supporting Obama, but now throw their full weight attempting to derail Trump.

Personally, I hate that the press has degenerated into a majority liberal organ and minority conservative organ. See, I remember when the press took great pride in reporting the news from a largely neutral position regardless of their individual or company political leanings.

There really was a time when the press corp and news outlets in the U.S. was commonly referred to as the "fourth estate" for their integrity with respect to journalistic objectivity (e.g. neutrality, nonpartisanship, fairness, with an emphasis on factuality).

However, like most everything else, it has degenerated into radically polarized (and mostly liberal progressive) biased talking heads using the public and private media outlets as instruments of propaganda and indoctrination for their particular political ideologies.

Like government, academia, the justice system, etc... the media is morally compromised to the point of illegitimacy. It's all 21st century yellow journalism anymore.
 
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The problem with Trumps detractors is that they are unable to attack his positions without shining the light on their own ridiculous positions. This is why they go after his character instead.
 
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The problem with Trumps detractors is that they are unable to attack his positions without shining the light on their own ridiculous positions. This is why they go after his character instead.
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Even Jonah Goldberg, a fierce critic of Trump's, admits that the difference between a Trump supporter and a Trump detractor hinges on one important factor- if they are willing to give Mr. Trump the benefit of the doubt.

Would I trust him more if he was a conservative since the 80's? Yes. I think though that the policy prescriptions he has proposed since he flagged himself as conservative in 2010 have been, by and large, conservative.
 
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