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Jun 18, 2014
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We are ''forced'' to uphold christian values all the time.

Do no murder

Do not steal.


What forms our laws is what our nations moral fiber is. Our laws reflect the moral timber of our nation.

What people do is what people do and in a free society they are free to do stupid things. We cannot legislate stupid away...

but we cannot let stupid make our laws either.

To pass gay marriage laws is forcing our society to adopt an immoral practice. This is not about physiological differences some take as social ones. This is about immoral acts with very bad consequences and while we may not legislate against them...

we should NEVER legislate for them.

As I said before this is not a civil rights issue...this is politics. Its energizing a part of your voting block, paying them back for their votes. Its about weakening the moral fiber of the country so a few people can control the majority.

I will go a step further and say that any comparison to the past civil rights struggles to this immoral moral war, is to spit in the face of every death and ever drop of sweat that gave us the freedoms we have today.

Homosexuality is a sin and it hurts everyone who does it and, it will hurt everyone who supports it as well.

God is faithful. To those who are misguided into thinking gays are a persecuted minority, be careful of what you are fighting for. When the truth hits you, its not going to be pretty.
What makes you think those values belong solely to christianity?

The Hindus believed in compassion and the sanctity of life long before Judaism came on the scene, and looooong before christianity. The Vedas discourage stealing, lying, killing, maiming, hurting, cheating and all other forms of immoral behaviour.

Christianity doesn't have the monopoly on morality, and YOU don't have the power to be accepting or disallowing anything to do with homosexual marriage. People deserve their secular rights.
 
Mar 1, 2012
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Its not a right. Homosexuality is not a right

Its perversion, literally.

Its a choice people make. They are not born with it. They can change. It is not good for them.

I cannot include every aspect of every situation in my comments. The position of christian morals on our society was brought up. I addressed it.
 
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Its not a right. Homosexuality is not a right

Its perversion, literally.

Its a choice people make. They are not born with it. They can change. It is not good for them.

I cannot include every aspect of every situation in my comments. The position of christian morals on our society was brought up. I addressed it.
Peoples' personal sexual decisions are none of your business, neither is who they decide to marry.
 
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Peoples' personal sexual decisions are none of your business, neither is who they decide to marry.
Its ok for you to force your morals upon us though, right?

As long as I have breath I will say homosexuality is a sin. It is. I cannot stop anyone from doing it, while the homosexual agenda is sure telling me I have to accept it.

If you argue against using force to institute morals, then you are a huge hypocrite. Its what the homosexual agenda has been doing for years.

Do you know why christians are against homosexuality?

Because it hurts the people who do it. I know that is hard to understand by someone use to forcing their moral agenda upon others, as liberals do ( hypocrites ) but there is no way a christian can accept homosexual unions because that.....

is not love.

By the way, your great homosexual marriages have helped pass pro-polygamy laws.....did ya know that? The slippery slope has started.

There is no love in sin.
 
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Its ok for you to force your morals upon us though, right?
But we aren't.

As long as I have breath I will say homosexuality is a sin. It is. I cannot stop anyone from doing it, while the homosexual agenda is sure telling me I have to accept it.
Again, you aren't being browbeaten into submission by the supposedly all-powerful homosexual interest groups that lobby for civil equality, even if your hyperbolic persecutory complex is persuading you otherwise.

If you argue against using force to institute morals, then you are a huge hypocrite. Its what the homosexual agenda has been doing for years.
What force? For that matter, how are LGBT interest groups attempting to "institute morals," to begin with? Morality is a subjective enterprise in reference to personal choices, and the push for civil liberties in terms of marriage equality has reflected that fact. Nobody is attempting to usurp your own morality by forcing you into anything. Again, your rabid persecutory delusion doesn't reflect reality.

Do you know why christians are against homosexuality?

Because it hurts the people who do it. I know that is hard to understand by someone use to forcing their moral agenda upon others, as liberals do ( hypocrites ) but there is no way a christian can accept homosexual unions because that.....

is not love.

By the way, your great homosexual marriages have helped pass pro-polygamy laws.....did ya know that? The slippery slope has started.
You've arbitrarily taken it upon yourself to dictate what constitutes legitimate love, and insist on perpetuating laws in a predominantly secular nation on the basis of this arbitrary assumption. That's bad. The slippery slope fallacy you're attempting to promote is as ill-founded, as it fails to recognize, explore, and debate each issue it attempts to lump together on each issue's own merits.
 
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I will bet anyone (if I was a betting man) that one day soon he will crack his knees, bow before the throne of God and confess Jesus as Lord and God, right before he gets casts into the eternal lake of fire.........
 
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If I were a betting woman, and I am not.... I do not believe you are dealing with
a woman. But a grown man who has a connection with a group that sends out
people to Christian sites to take away the focus on Christ. And / or lure new
Christians away with confusion.

JMHO... Sounds so familiar.
 
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I will bet anyone (if I was a betting man) that one day soon he will crack his knees, bow before the throne of God and confess Jesus as Lord and God, right before he gets casts into the eternal lake of fire.........
This is not going to sound nice coming from a lady.... but I hope you are right about
soon he will crack his knees, bow before the throne of God and confess Jesus as Lord.
If this person only knew how God loves everyone so much, He is being patient and more
than kind by allowing him to live and be given every chance to receive Christ.
God is more patient than I am... I must learn to be more patient. And I must remember,
God is patient with me... so.....

Oh, the cracking of the knee sentence.... my mind was not thinking of bowing...
Not nice of me...
 
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Yes you are.

Again, you aren't being browbeaten into submission by the supposedly all-powerful homosexual interest groups that lobby for civil equality, even if your hyperbolic persecutory complex is persuading you otherwise.

The executive branch has and continues to seek to deprive regenerate Christians their human right to a free moral conscience and religious liberty toward God's normative morality with respect to their organizations in the U.S. on a federal level with lower courts and legislative bodies already having done so.

Additionally, Christian groups are barred from public institutions that they are forcibly taxed to pay for while hypocritically homosexual interest groups have access.


What force? For that matter, how are LGBT interest groups attempting to "institute morals," to begin with? Morality is a subjective enterprise in reference to personal choices, and the push for civil liberties in terms of marriage equality has reflected that fact. Nobody is attempting to usurp your own morality by forcing you into anything. Again, your rabid persecutory delusion doesn't reflect reality.
Homosexual-bisexual-transsexual indoctrination, without parental consent, including off-campus pro-homosexuality counseling. In states such as California (pop. 38 million), there are 10 different LGBT indoctrination laws in place, some impacting children as young as 5 years old.

And your assertion that "morality is a subjective enterprise" is false in the sense of this discussion which invokes the concept of normative [universal] morality. If you would like to debate that with me, prepare to lose.


You've arbitrarily taken it upon yourself to dictate what constitutes legitimate love, and insist on perpetuating laws in a predominantly secular nation on the basis of this arbitrary assumption. That's bad. The slippery slope fallacy you're attempting to promote is as ill-founded, as it fails to recognize, explore, and debate each issue it attempts to lump together on each issue's own merits.
But you hypocritically have no problem dictating what constitutes legitimate love and insisting on perpetuating immoral de facto laws that violate God's de jure normative morality in a nation whose founding was largely influenced by the orthodox Christian worldview. That's bad. Historically, the slippery slope people like you are taking us down has always ended as an immoral dysfunctional society.
 
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This is not going to sound nice coming from a lady.... but I hope you are right about
soon he will crack his knees, bow before the throne of God and confess Jesus as Lord.
If this person only knew how God loves everyone so much, He is being patient and more
than kind by allowing him to live and be given every chance to receive Christ.
God is more patient than I am... I must learn to be more patient. And I must remember,
God is patient with me... so.....

Oh, the cracking of the knee sentence.... my mind was not thinking of bowing...
Not nice of me...
HAHAHA well...it was funny :)!
 
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Please let there be peace here .... I am so tired of reading her
tirade and Age Of Knowledge, even though you are right, please let her go,
or take it to a new Thread. I honestly do not know if anyone is getting delivered
from this truth you are teaching. I pray so, because it has been a long, long,
issue. God bless ~ P.S. I had no intention for this to get out of control... Peace...
 
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HAHAHA well...it was funny :)!
Ahhhhh, so you did mean what I thought you meant ? I should have
been Marine.... Let's see, my Brother was a Marine.. Guess I think
like one.. Man I am one mean Mom aren't I ? LOL..
 
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A mean mom? Perish the thought. No J-Kay-2 you are an absolute darling and I truly mean that.

Young Lizathrose is receiving an education of sorts at CC she should have received from her parents and the public education system.

These young people have never been exposed to a great deal of truth. I doubt she's ever heard what I've shared with her regarding America's Christian heritage or that she understands ancient pagan Athenian democracy had less sexual immorality associated with it in the public sphere than today's post-Christian "progressive" Western Civilization.

She's never been exposed to a real discussion surrounding God's holiness and regenerate Christians. I doubt she's aware that a million white Europeans were kidnapped off the coasts of Europe during the Atlantic slave trade by North African slavers or ever heard a dissertation on the extent of White slavery in Great Britain and America or that even Mexico imported more slaves than the U.S..

She may not be aware that Europe almost fell to Islam and that it was Christians who redeemed it beginning at the Battle of Tours laying the foundations of modern Europe beginning with a new holy roman empire under Charlemagne. If it weren't for orthodox Christians, she would be bowing to Mecca five times a day on her knees while wearing a hijab.

I could go on for a long long time but I won't here since you asked me not to. The rapidly failing liberal indoctrination system we still call public education in the U.S. no longer educates these young people adequately anymore nor imparts to them a normative morality. Sad but true. The hard consequences are already in the wind but still in the distance. They have no real understanding what is coming within the span of their lifetimes. I do, but they do not.


Ahhhhh, so you did mean what I thought you meant ? I should have
been Marine.... Let's see, my Brother was a Marine.. Guess I think
like one.. Man I am one mean Mom aren't I ? LOL..
 
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Do you think you really are reaching her, (if she is a she?)......
I hope so. What you teach is awesome. I just felt this got off
topic and maybe would be best to take it to a new Thread. It
would be great if you are able to help her. If you keep it shorter
it is easier to understand. Anything too long gets skimmed over,
but not easily retained. ( Yeah... I have to read less because
I retain less, lol. ) Thank you AOK... You are a kind person. Amen.
 
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But we aren't.



Again, you aren't being browbeaten into submission by the supposedly all-powerful homosexual interest groups that lobby for civil equality, even if your hyperbolic persecutory complex is persuading you otherwise.



What force? For that matter, how are LGBT interest groups attempting to "institute morals," to begin with? Morality is a subjective enterprise in reference to personal choices, and the push for civil liberties in terms of marriage equality has reflected that fact. Nobody is attempting to usurp your own morality by forcing you into anything. Again, your rabid persecutory delusion doesn't reflect reality.



You've arbitrarily taken it upon yourself to dictate what constitutes legitimate love, and insist on perpetuating laws in a predominantly secular nation on the basis of this arbitrary assumption. That's bad. The slippery slope fallacy you're attempting to promote is as ill-founded, as it fails to recognize, explore, and debate each issue it attempts to lump together on each issue's own merits.
Watch out, that thar little girl iza throwin' them dar big words agin! Hold up yer Webster's dictionary & deflect them!:p:eek::rolleyes:;)
 
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Yes you are.

The executive branch has and continues to seek to deprive regenerate Christians their human right to a free moral conscience and religious liberty toward God's normative morality with respect to their organizations in the U.S. on a federal level with lower courts and legislative bodies already having done so.

Additionally, Christian groups are barred from public institutions that they are forcibly taxed to pay for while hypocritically homosexual interest groups have access.



Homosexual-bisexual-transsexual indoctrination, without parental consent, including off-campus pro-homosexuality counseling. In states such as California (pop. 38 million), there are 10 different LGBT indoctrination laws in place, some impacting children as young as 5 years old.

And your assertion that "morality is a subjective enterprise" is false in the sense of this discussion which invokes the concept of normative [universal] morality. If you would like to debate that with me, prepare to lose.




But you hypocritically have no problem dictating what constitutes legitimate love and insisting on perpetuating immoral de facto laws that violate God's de jure normative morality in a nation whose founding was largely influenced by the orthodox Christian worldview. That's bad. Historically, the slippery slope people like you are taking us down has always ended as an immoral dysfunctional society.
Thar ya go, AgeofKnowledge, throw some of dem big words back at 'er! It'll take 'er 2 hours to figger out what ya said!:)
 
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Watch out, that thar little girl iza throwin' them dar big words agin! Hold up yer Webster's dictionary & deflect them!:p:eek::rolleyes:;)
I have to smile.... Not meaning to make fun of anyone... but I have to comment.
You said what I told my husband... I said she is using words I have to have a
dictionary to look up what she is trying to tell us.

I really have dealt with someone similar to her and sadly a lot of people tried
to help this guy find his way out of his lifestyle and it was a 4 year ordeal.
Never did he get helped. He only harmed a ministry and the ministry lost
a lot of donors. This is my reason for seeing it as I do. Wasting time ....

 
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To put what she' saying in layman's terms:

Whether or not your religion/denomination believes homosexuality is right wrong or neutral, it is a civil rights issue and should not be governed by religious doctrine when it comes to a governmental issue. We are not a theocracy and never have been. If my religion said blacks and whites shouldn't marry, I'd hope that people would stop me from making that law again.
 
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It's a civil rights issue alright. Christian's human right under natural law to a free moral conscience and their religious liberty to exercise God's normative morality in their personal lives and religious organizations are being violated by the government on behalf of groups formed around immoral behaviors. That's a civil rights issue and needs to be corrected by the government so that they don't do it anymore.

The homosexual theocracy arising in the U.S. in which homosexual groups have unilateral and full access to all government agencies and the public school system to espouse their immoral beliefs just like a religious organization without any moral counterweight is un-American.

The government was never empowered or intended to be an instrument to purvey immorality upon the American people while simultaneously persecuting all who hold to God's normative morality.

The fact you think this is normal and what the founders intended reveals great ignorance on your part.


To put what she' saying in layman's terms:

Whether or not your religion/denomination believes homosexuality is right wrong or neutral, it is a civil rights issue and should not be governed by religious doctrine when it comes to a governmental issue. We are not a theocracy and never have been. If my religion said blacks and whites shouldn't marry, I'd hope that people would stop me from making that law again.
 
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It's a civil rights issue alright. Christian's human right under natural law to a free moral conscience and their religious liberty to exercise God's normative morality in their personal lives and religious organizations are being violated by the government on behalf of groups formed around immoral behaviors. That's a civil rights issue and needs to be corrected by the government so that they don't do it anymore.

The homosexual theocracy arising in the U.S. in which homosexual groups have unilateral and full access to all government agencies and the public school system to espouse their immoral beliefs just like a religious organization without any moral counterweight is un-American.

The government was never empowered or intended to be an instrument to purvey immorality upon the American people while simultaneously persecuting all who hold to God's normative morality.

The fact you think this is normal and what the founders intended reveals great ignorance on your part.
If only you had any conception as to how difficult it is to take you seriously under your hyperbolic pretense. Really, if only you knew. It's simply not possible to engage in constructive dialogue in the presence of loaded language and hyperbole along the lines of "homosexual theocracy." You've consistently come across as an apologist espousing reactionary rhetoric that has no credibility at all in terms of a scholarly consensus, and yet you style yourself as espousing a rational, "scholarly" point of view. While views held by the minority certainly aren't illegitimate, if there's nothing that stands under scrutiny to back those views up, they're moot at best.

How is the US government actually, legitimately persecuting its (Christian) religious demographic? Why haven't the vast majority of well-established political commentators, political scientists concerned with public law, the vast majority of legislators and judges, and the actual, legitimate scholarly consensus in general picked up on this? Is it the result of a conspiratorial plot of some sort, or perhaps the declining moral fabric of our nation? Or, is it simply that you might just be exaggerating a little while choosing to selectively ignore the very real persecution that minorities face -- and have faced -- in America since the nation's inception?

We're a nation of nearly 320 million people, dozens of major governments, and thousands of smaller governing entities (municipalities and school districts, for instance) within the context of a generally multicultural, pluralistic society in which voters, legislators, and judges aren't required to adhere to your moral code, and yet in light of this staggering diversity and complexity, you profess isolated incidents, different policies and legal decisions within the context of the era that legal experts approve as being within constitutional boundaries, and the general lack of a universally accepted moral view mirroring that of your ideal social infrastructure as evidence of some sort of systematic, widespread persecution that's suppressing your religious liberties.

And yet -- remarkably -- you're one of the fortunate few to see this supposed corruption for what it is.

If you have a case to make, I'm going to have to ask you to take it to a live chat medium of some sort. I'll happily argue with you via a private chat window or microphone / webcam, but I'm not going to continue sifting through exhaustive gish gallops and material sourced directly from an apologist's biased site dedicated to supplying new twists to outmoded, tired arguments that no longer carry a widely-accepted legal, political, or philosophical consensus. I really don't have the patience or the energy.
 
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