Obama Spills secret on Israel's nuclear program.
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J
How can they be a "target for annihilation" when no one in that region has a military that can compete with it? We hear all of this talk about Iran, who has no nukes, from a country who has countless. But if you look at the history, they have always been about preemptive war, and I don't look at this as being any different.
?.............you think Israel is the only country in the Middle East Region to have nukes? Seriously? Don't agree with your Historical perspective either. As for the "nukes" Israel has, how exactly do you suppose they could EVER use them in a "preemptive" manner? You do realize that any "nuke" they explode in Iran would have dire effects upon Israel itself?
You don't like Israel, fine, to each his own, but goodness...............
You don't like Israel, fine, to each his own, but goodness...............
While I agree I will say it was a figure of speech and make no mistake friend...he has his own (body guard) and military commanders that he has put in his own pocket as he has purged the U.S. military and shrunk it to pre WW2 and WW1 levels while putting in charge those who are well aligned with his political ambitions.....
V
One, as p_rehbein said, what makes you think they're the only Mideast country with nukes? Just because Iran doesn't have any yet -- that we know of -- doesn't mean someone else in the region doesn't.
Two, ever hear of "deterrence"? If a Nation A and Nation B are enemies, and either or both have nukes, it is unlikely the nukes will every be used, even if only one has them. Unless, of course, the leaders of one nation are fanatically insane. Think "Iran." Then all bets are off.
Two, ever hear of "deterrence"? If a Nation A and Nation B are enemies, and either or both have nukes, it is unlikely the nukes will every be used, even if only one has them. Unless, of course, the leaders of one nation are fanatically insane. Think "Iran." Then all bets are off.
J
Reread what I said. I said that they probably have more nukes than everyone in that region combined. You don't really have to agree with my historical perspective; they came from declassified documents. In those declassified documents, the much mythologized 6 day war was shown to be an preemptive strike again Egypt. Egypt was at its border in a defensive stance, not offensive.
As far as me liking the SOI, I'm indifferent towards them. I don't dislike them nor am I in love with them so some are. I look at the people who live there like I look at everyone else. I have more issue with those who act like the SOI has done no wrong, turn a blind eye to their evils, and hinge on their every word because of the misapplication of Genesis 12 or Bible prophecy that speaks not one word about Jews. Again, it's not about me like or disliking because I remove emotion from most discussions I have. When Christians go as far as showing a lust for blood, we have to sit back and consider. I know it's cliche but how would Christ look at this situation? We talk about this fulfilling scripture but we tend to ignore God being their banner and him restoring The House of Israel spiritually. If Christ walked through the SOI preaching, would he be accepted?
As far as me liking the SOI, I'm indifferent towards them. I don't dislike them nor am I in love with them so some are. I look at the people who live there like I look at everyone else. I have more issue with those who act like the SOI has done no wrong, turn a blind eye to their evils, and hinge on their every word because of the misapplication of Genesis 12 or Bible prophecy that speaks not one word about Jews. Again, it's not about me like or disliking because I remove emotion from most discussions I have. When Christians go as far as showing a lust for blood, we have to sit back and consider. I know it's cliche but how would Christ look at this situation? We talk about this fulfilling scripture but we tend to ignore God being their banner and him restoring The House of Israel spiritually. If Christ walked through the SOI preaching, would he be accepted?
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Anyone else wonder what traitor in chief will do to America after he leaves office? Will he have copied the secrets we wish to keep from our enemies so he can make an international outreach and give them to ISIS? Or Al Qaeda? Or the Taliban?
After all, we read of people stealing secrets and putting them on the internet and becoming heroes in some peoples eyes. Imagine the glory traitor in chief would have if he, being the former holder of the highest office, followed their lead?
After all, we read of people stealing secrets and putting them on the internet and becoming heroes in some peoples eyes. Imagine the glory traitor in chief would have if he, being the former holder of the highest office, followed their lead?
J
Conspiracy theorist? LOL. Here is something for you to read
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v18
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v18
V
Perhaps you should read this CIA analysis of the Six Day War, posted on the CIA public website in 2007. Those communiques you have linked are selectively posted, and even so, reading between the lines, one will garner the truth as outlined by CIA.
1. On 23 May, Egypt closed the Gulf of Aqaba, Israel's only access to the Red Sea.
2. Egyptian military forces were on high alert, an offensive footing, beginning with the closing of the Gulf.
3. CIA DCI Richard Helms briefed President Johnson, expressing confidence that Israel could simultaneously repel, or at the very least, hold on three fronts while mounting a counteroffensive or preemptive strike on a fourth. LBJ therefore decided Israel did not need U.S. air support as had been requested.
4. As a result, LBJ pressured Israel to delay any preemptive strike. Israel agreed, stating on 1 June in a meeting with Helms that, while Israel expected U.S. diplomatic backing, the government would make no more requests of military support from the U.S. The delay urged by the U.S. cost Israel the element of surprise.
5. At sunrise in Israel on 6 June, the preemptive strike began. As Helms had predicted, Israel quickly began "whipping their butts" and when Syria threatened from the north, Israel was able to hold the counteroffensive off, though their tank corps were decimated in the process, and it took every ounce of air support and artillery to hold the Golan Heights they won in the opening hours of the fight.
6. On 10 June, Soviet premier Alexei Kosygin threatened intervention on the Arab side of the war. A tense Situation Room beneath the White House gave quick approval to LBJ's proposal that he dispatch the Sixth Fleet to the Med, in response to a potential Soviet attack. Kosygin got the message. A flurry of teletype and secure-phone traffic between the Kremlin and three Arab capitols resulted in a ceasefire later in the day.
That's accurate history. What State has on it's website attempts to rewrite history. You might note the cables, telegrams, and meeting notes posted there were "revised" in 2010.
Think: Who was in the White House, and head of State, at that time?
Ask yourself: Is it surprising, given Obama's throwing of Israel under the bus, the last few days, that he was laying the groundwork for abandoning Israel that long ago?
Only the naïve or the Obama apologist will say "Yes."
1. On 23 May, Egypt closed the Gulf of Aqaba, Israel's only access to the Red Sea.
2. Egyptian military forces were on high alert, an offensive footing, beginning with the closing of the Gulf.
3. CIA DCI Richard Helms briefed President Johnson, expressing confidence that Israel could simultaneously repel, or at the very least, hold on three fronts while mounting a counteroffensive or preemptive strike on a fourth. LBJ therefore decided Israel did not need U.S. air support as had been requested.
4. As a result, LBJ pressured Israel to delay any preemptive strike. Israel agreed, stating on 1 June in a meeting with Helms that, while Israel expected U.S. diplomatic backing, the government would make no more requests of military support from the U.S. The delay urged by the U.S. cost Israel the element of surprise.
5. At sunrise in Israel on 6 June, the preemptive strike began. As Helms had predicted, Israel quickly began "whipping their butts" and when Syria threatened from the north, Israel was able to hold the counteroffensive off, though their tank corps were decimated in the process, and it took every ounce of air support and artillery to hold the Golan Heights they won in the opening hours of the fight.
6. On 10 June, Soviet premier Alexei Kosygin threatened intervention on the Arab side of the war. A tense Situation Room beneath the White House gave quick approval to LBJ's proposal that he dispatch the Sixth Fleet to the Med, in response to a potential Soviet attack. Kosygin got the message. A flurry of teletype and secure-phone traffic between the Kremlin and three Arab capitols resulted in a ceasefire later in the day.
That's accurate history. What State has on it's website attempts to rewrite history. You might note the cables, telegrams, and meeting notes posted there were "revised" in 2010.
Think: Who was in the White House, and head of State, at that time?
Ask yourself: Is it surprising, given Obama's throwing of Israel under the bus, the last few days, that he was laying the groundwork for abandoning Israel that long ago?
Only the naïve or the Obama apologist will say "Yes."
J
I read the CIA report before I read the declassified docs. Have you read both? The documents gives way more in depth detail about the dialogue between these nations. Does the CIA report mention the fact that the SOI said they were attacked first? Does it bring up the fact that people in that region states that tension is growing because of America's seemingly support of the preemptive attack? But it does show that all of this was based on a "perceived" threat; the documents just go into detail. Ask yourself this, if Iran views Israel as a threat and it attacks, who would be in the wrong? If Palestine feels that Israel is a threat and preemptively attacks, who will be the villain? Guess what, both of these places have valid reason to feel a certain way. But again, most would lean on their bias to create a narrative instead of the truth out there.
Like I always say, I don't use misapplied scripture to blindly support a country, but truth is, God didn't.
Like I always say, I don't use misapplied scripture to blindly support a country, but truth is, God didn't.
V
What SOI says is of no import to me, given they can't be trusted to accurately report the rising of the sun.
You're outside the realm of the '67 war now, which is what you brought up and is all I discussed. If you want to jump into current affairs, your list of communiques, cables, and meeting notes is utterly useless, given it dates to 1967.
Easy. Iran. They are in violation of international policy regarding nuclear arms proliferation.
You're ignoring the fact Palestine is the base of attacks on daily basis, attacks that Israel largely ignores until they get too aggressive to ignore -- as happened last summer.
You say so. I disagree. Israel has a right to exist. Live with it.
That is a biblically ignorant statement, or one that chooses to ignore what the Bible clearly says. Can't help you there. If you claim to be a Christian, you have no excuse for claiming Israel is in violation of any law, man or God's.
You're outside the realm of the '67 war now, which is what you brought up and is all I discussed. If you want to jump into current affairs, your list of communiques, cables, and meeting notes is utterly useless, given it dates to 1967.
Easy. Iran. They are in violation of international policy regarding nuclear arms proliferation.
You're ignoring the fact Palestine is the base of attacks on daily basis, attacks that Israel largely ignores until they get too aggressive to ignore -- as happened last summer.
You say so. I disagree. Israel has a right to exist. Live with it.
That is a biblically ignorant statement, or one that chooses to ignore what the Bible clearly says. Can't help you there. If you claim to be a Christian, you have no excuse for claiming Israel is in violation of any law, man or God's.
V
In one simple sentence, you have denied the biblical truth that God established Israel, gave them the land which they have never fully occupied per His promise because of their own stiff-necked sin but which they will one day own fully and host the Throne of God on Earth.
That's biblically ignorant.
That's biblically ignorant.
The conditions broken were met with temporary expulsions from the Land as a chastisement. His promise to regather them back into the Land was UNCONDITIONAL.
(Is. 11:11-12 NASB) Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again recover the second time with His hand the remnant of His people, who will remain, from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12And He will lift up a standard for the nations, and will assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God. (Amo 9:14-15)
For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
(Joe 3:1-2)
For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. (Eze 36:24)
And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
(Eze 37:21-22)
(Is. 11:11-12 NASB) Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again recover the second time with His hand the remnant of His people, who will remain, from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12And He will lift up a standard for the nations, and will assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God. (Amo 9:14-15)
For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
(Joe 3:1-2)
For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. (Eze 36:24)
And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
(Eze 37:21-22)