Obama....the national embarrassment.

[kaylagrl]

If you believe a country like America can feed and clothe its poor through charity alone, then you're deluded and naive. Neocapitalism thrives on fierce competition, and you think adding far-libertarian economic policies into that is justifiable because "nobody should get anything for free"?

That's cold and heartless even for a conservative.

You know just as well as I do that a culture like America won't see a decline in poverty if welfare is removed. Which leads me to conclude that your opinions herein are a product of at best wilful ignorance of the insidious nature of unfettered capitalism, and at worst intentional malice towards the needy, neither of which gives me great confidence in your character.

As far as "working so I don't have to", I've worked all my life. I still work. And I study. I pay my way. That doesn't mean I can't advocate for people who can't pay theirs. On a sidenote: you're approaching retirement age. Tell me, whose money will you be milking when you stop working?

Swings and roundabouts and glass houses, my friend. Don't bite the hand of the generation who are gonna feed you.

No one is against helping the poor or those not capable of helping themselves. Vets for instance. What conservatives are against is cradle to grave gov't care and handouts to people that abuse and rob the system.

I have a friend that is a sweet person, we're like sisters. She found herself single and alone when her husband left her. She's a single mom. I posted an article about abuses of welfare and govt handouts. She wrote me privately and was very upset. She said "why shouldn't my child be able to have cable tv? Why shouldn't I be able to get beer,or a tattoo?" I was shocked. I tried to kindly explain myself and she let it go. That is what Im against. Im not against people who need it.Ive been there,even though my family never took help and scraped by,I know what its like and Im all for helping those in need.

 

[maxwel]

There's no need for statistical evidence when social commentary and the general sentiment of each country I visit is give or take a small margin almost unanimously negative towards Trump, especially so in comparison to Obama. Do you need statistical evidence to tell you Americans speak with an American accent? No? Neither do I need statistical evidence to tell me that most people in my country feel Trump is a terrible presidential choice: it is evident all around me.

You originally said this:
"...most of Europe and the rest of the world see Obama as a saint."


Now you make it clear you have ZERO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE to prove what you said.
You have no proof of any kind; you only have your own interpretation of some "social commentary", and some of your own personal experiences.
Social commentary, and a few of your personal experiences, do not enable you to speak for 7 BILLION PEOPLE.

You really, sincerely, believe you have the ability to just "assume" what 7 BILLION PEOPLE are thnking?

Seriously?

 

[JosephsDreams]

You have a short memory. When Obama was elected the loonie left went bananas and he was declared as some kind of Messianic figure.

Orthodox Conservatives shouldn't fall into the same shallow trap, full of barbed poisoned sticks.

Let Trump get into office and see what he does first. Otherwise you are no different to the loonie left who go delirious like teenage girls.

I think he may be good - I haven't really followed him as I am not American.

But he is playing a game right now with China and Russia, trying to divide and conquer it seems, which I think is really the NeoCon's last desperate card.

If that is is game and his remit, then I am not so positive.

My memory is not short. I am just hilarious that Clinton did not win.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I'll be happy to agree with you...

as soon as you provide some statistical evidence.


Simply saying a thing doesn't turn it into truth.
If you have statistical evidence to show most of the world loves Obama,
then I'll be happy to agree with you.

What you just said,doesn't go for Trump though,right?

 

[maxwel]

What you just said,doesn't go for Trump though,right?

Seed_time_harvest,

Changing the subject has nothing to do with actually discussing the subject.

If you want to bring up completely different issues or topics...
please feel free to start another thread or send me a PM.

 

[hornetguy]

I know abortion was a hot ticket item in the Trump candidacy but if you have not adopted or assisted in the adoption of any unwanted children then your opinion is irrelevant

That's pure unadulterated manure...

That's like saying if I've never been raped I should have no say in the prosecution of a rapist...

When it comes to adoption, I am exponentially more qualified than you are to discuss the ramifications of it.

 

[Dude653]

That's pure unadulterated manure...

That's like saying if I've never been raped I should have no say in the prosecution of a rapist...

When it comes to adoption, I am exponentially more qualified than you are to discuss the ramifications of it.

Do you know what it's like to be desperately poor, make a bad decision and accidentally become pregnant? Now you're in full panic mode because you know you can't afford to feed another baby?....oh wait....you cant give birth because you're a man. I'm not saying that I support abortion but I'm just saying that not everything is black and white and it's not always that simple.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Do you know what it's like to be desperately poor, make a bad decision and accidentally become pregnant? Now you're in full panic mode because you know you can't afford to feed another baby?....oh wait....you cant give birth because you're a man. I'm not saying that I support abortion but I'm just saying that not everything is black and white and it's not always that simple.

Do you know what it's like to have your arms and legs ripped off then have a metal rod puncture your skull? ...oh wait....you can't because you're alive.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Do you know what it's like to be desperately poor, make a bad decision and accidentally become pregnant? Now you're in full panic mode because you know you can't afford to feed another baby?....oh wait....you cant give birth because you're a man. I'm not saying that I support abortion but I'm just saying that not everything is black and white and it's not always that simple.

Do you know what it is like to be a male, to have a susceptibility to the fairer sex, to get entrapped, and become a father of a child to a woman you really should have run a million miles from? Now you are on the hook for a lifetime of paternity cheques.

Have you any idea of how difficult it is?

"No, of course not, because you are a woman".

See how rubbish your logic is? Women know how to entrap men, they don't need to be men to do this.

 

[Dude653]

Do you know what it is like to be a male, to have a susceptibility to the fairer sex, to get entrapped, and become a father of a child to a woman you really should have run a million miles from? Now you are on the hook for a lifetime of paternity cheques.

Have you any idea of how difficult it is?

"No, of course not, because you are a woman".

See how rubbish your logic is? Women know how to entrap men, they don't need to be men to do this.

Typically a woman doesn't know what that's like because in 99% of cases she's on the receiving end of the child support payments. I payed child support for 18 years. I know how hard it is

 

[hornetguy]

Trump can hardly squeeze two sentences together and uses non words like bigly

Yeah, and Obama called the Marine Corps the Marine corpse.... he doesn't even know how to pronounce "corps" when it's on the teleprompter right in front of him...

Who's the dummy?

 

[Eloseus]

Yeah, and Obama called the Marine Corps the Marine corpse.... he doesn't even know how to pronounce "corps" when it's on the teleprompter right in front of him...

Who's the dummy?

Freudian slip I bet.

Oh well only 6 more days and then we Make America Great Again!

 

[88]

He was probably thinking of his legacy.......just saying...

 

[Eloseus]

He was probably thinking of his legacy.......just saying...

LOL on the nose!

 

[Willie-T]

Trump can hardly squeeze two sentences together and uses non words like bigly

He actually said: "big league." But, "bigly" is also a very real and legitimate word..... if you would take 20 seconds to look it up.

 

[Dude653]

Trump has bragged about grabbing woman's genitals, and his wife has nude pictures all over the internet but Obama is a national embarrassment....riiiiiiight

 

[Eloseus]

He actually said: "big league." But, "bigly" is also a very real and legitimate word..... if you would take 20 seconds to look it up.

But the dictionary is YUGE!

 

[Eloseus]

Trump has bragged about grabbing woman's genitals, and his wife has nude pictures all over the internet but Obama is a national embarrassment....riiiiiiight

Lol yea I bet President Trump is really embarrassed by having a hot wife.

 

[Dude653]

Lol yea I bet President Trump is really embarrassed by having a hot wife.

She's hot?.. I do not see this alleged hotness

 

[Eloseus]

She's hot?.. I do not see this alleged hotness

What?! Dang man, she's old enough to be mother and I think she is very pretty.

Though I can see you might not be into white meat lol, that's okay, different strokes for different folks I guess.