Obama's Argument

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Mitspa

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First of all--THANK YOU to the gentlemen who stepped in on my behalf. People rarely defend me, so I appreciate the support. Having said that...

I find it problematic that Christians--you know, those of us who are meant to be imitating Jesus--cannot discuss a topic without engaging in personal insults.

We are all distorted because of sin--our own and others. Because of this, there is the potential that we might rub each other the wrong way or have incorrect understandings or confuse our thinking with the mind of God. Can't we extend grace to each other?

We're meant to be submitting to one another out of love for Christ. Submission is very very hard for most people. However, I don't know that it's our job to teach anyone some kind of lesson in submission by offering shame and humiliation in a public setting. We need to trust in the subtle and significant power of the Holy Spirit and pray for those who come against us with unlove. At least, that's my approach to it. (Btw, the reason I recommend this is because it has spared me much frustration).

Shaming people doesn't draw them to Christ. It isolates them...corners them...and has them coming out fighting.

So, let us be at peace. This is advent...a season of preparation for the arrival of Jesus in the world as our infant savior, and a future anticipation of his return in glory.
I agree ..and the idea that this lady cant defend herself on this forum, when she needs to is just silly .. she has always more than held her on in every discussion I have ever seen her in.
 

jsr1221

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Just sounds like jealousy to me? with the fact that I call them on that left-wing womens lib crap they try to force on everyone ...
Don't think too highly of yourself there.. You are single for a reason, after all.
 
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kaylagrl

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Is to not allow anyone on the "No Fly List" to legally purchase a firearm. Sounds great, well, reasonable, right? Problem is, different people can be and are put on this list for reasons that have nothing to do with being suspected of terrorism. As well, people can be put on this list without cause, and without being notified and having Judicial review or approval.

Now, had he suggested that the list used be the list the FBI has of "suspected persons" on their "Terrorist Watch" list, then ok................

The simple truth is: Neither Obama, or Clinton, or any of the liberals pushing for such stuff wants what they are proposing. What they truly want is to outlaw ALL FIREARMS, and to revoke the 2nd Amendment.

They will never be able to achieve their ideological MECCA while citizens have the right to keep and bear arms to dissuade an "over reaching Government."


This guy,more than just an actor.Nailed it...

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KennethC

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The problem here also that leads to disrespect is that people still hold to and believe the buricatical lies and all the media sources that spew those lies keeping people divided thinking this is a Democratic vs. Republican issue.

This is so far from the truth !!!

I know lots of Democrats that are against any more gun control, and are even trying to fight for more lenient laws.

I also know lots of Republicans for stricter gun laws.

It is not a all are for, and the other party are all against !!!

The government and media lies to keep people divided, because a divided population is easier to control in order to get agendas passed.
 
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You are single for a reason, after all.
You might want to reconsider throwing stones at glass houses.

God forbid your face ever goes through a windshield, you'll be single for a different reason.
 

Reborn

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I never met a real "big dog" before ....
Really?
Well, It's nice to meet you, I'm Mike. :)
There is absolutely no reason for me to name the girls that like me on CC,...... stop being silly, man.
Would you name names?

You might get there one day.....just pray about it. ( just take your own advice) :)
Obviously you can drag this on, but I won't be back to this thread.

Merry Christmas, bro. Smiley face.
 
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Mitspa

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Really?
Well, It's nice to meet you, I'm Mike. :)
There is absolutely no reason for me to name the girls that like me on CC,...... stop being silly, man.
Would you name names?

You might get there one day.....just pray about it. ( just take your own advice) :)
Obviously you can drag this on, but I won't be back to this thread.

Merry Christmas, bro. Smiley face.
Guy...im sure the girls are chasing you all over the internet ... I very happy for you :) If I ever need any "big dog" lessons ..I will come to you for advice ...
 
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Sirk

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Don't think too highly of yourself there.. You are single for a reason, after all.
Easy there trigger. What happened to loving your enemies? There's a lot of talk about that kind of thing around here... but few seem only able to do it with people other than the ones they come into contact with. Read the previous sentence slow and a couple of times for good comprehension..it's a bit of a mind bender. Lol
 
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Sirk

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That's why we have to push back against the brainwashing that has taken place concerning the right to defend ourselves and our families. They are sensationalizing crimes that happen with firearms and have successfully brainwashed the public that they are more dangerous than cars. In the hands of law abiding citizens who know how to use them... they save lives and they are insurance against the evil schemes of man to terrorize people and control them.
 
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I agree ..and the idea that this lady cant defend herself on this forum, when she needs to is just silly .. she has always more than held her on in every discussion I have ever seen her in.
Okay...I am going to take a moment to get personal in response to this.

Mitspa, I am able to defend myself. If you consider why someone would be good at self-defense, you'd realize it was likely because they've had to do so a lot...so they've developed a skill set. If you realize that someone has had to defend themselves often against the unkind words of others, I would wonder why you'd want to add to that. Particularly when you consider that I was defending myself against a fellow Christian who implied a variety of falsehoods against me (the main one being that I am not biblical or not Godly).

I think what my defenders were trying to get you to understand is that your flip words WOUND. James talks about the power of the tongue and how we have life or death in our tongues. Truthfully, we often wound people with our words without realizing simply because we can't be bothered to consider their side, or because we are ignorant of someone else's feelings. So, taking that into account, here's what you were being told: Your approach toward me is wounding. The unkind words you level at me are fiery darts.

Because I have the Holy Spirit within me, and because I've constructed my life around being like Jesus, I try not to respond in kind. I try not to give into to one-upping people with words or an attitude of "I'm going to show them." I try to pray for people who come against me personally and who devalue me. Especially in online scenarios where people are often dehumanized, I try to keep in mind that there is a complex person made in the image of God at the other end of the screen.

In other words, (to refer back to the OP), while I am not a gun person, I do see great need to protect others. IMO, the greatest threat isn't those who harm the body...it's those who murder others with their words. So, I'll jump in and defend people from mean words...even if those mean words would come from me. I'll even jump in and defend people who harm me first because while they devalue me, I try not to do the same to them.

THIS is why I appreciate the defense of those who stood for me. Their defense tells me several things: 1. they noticed that I was being wounded 2. they could do something about it 3. they get that it's not about whether or not I can defend myself, but about standing against something that is wrong.

I think what saddens me the most is while you have such ideals about protecting and defending others, you don't see me (and others here) as someone worthy of protection. You have somehow categorized me in a rather negative way, so you can't be bothered to measure your words or exercise kindness toward me.
 
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Maybe in your area but not in all states.

I know people who legally own automatic guns, and besides that point that is what Obama said.
you ain't very bright are you? it don't matter what state you are in it takes a FEDERAL tax stamp to own a automatic firearm. it don't matter if its a full auto 9mm hand gun or a AK-47
 
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Mitspa

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Okay...I am going to take a moment to get personal in response to this.

Mitspa, I am able to defend myself. If you consider why someone would be good at self-defense, you'd realize it was likely because they've had to do so a lot...so they've developed a skill set. If you realize that someone has had to defend themselves often against the unkind words of others, I would wonder why you'd want to add to that. Particularly when you consider that I was defending myself against a fellow Christian who implied a variety of falsehoods against me (the main one being that I am not biblical or not Godly).

I think what my defenders were trying to get you to understand is that your flip words WOUND. James talks about the power of the tongue and how we have life or death in our tongues. Truthfully, we often wound people with our words without realizing simply because we can't be bothered to consider their side, or because we are ignorant of someone else's feelings. So, taking that into account, here's what you were being told: Your approach toward me is wounding. The unkind words you level at me are fiery darts.

Because I have the Holy Spirit within me, and because I've constructed my life around being like Jesus, I try not to respond in kind. I try not to give into to one-upping people with words or an attitude of "I'm going to show them." I try to pray for people who come against me personally and who devalue me. Especially in online scenarios where people are often dehumanized, I try to keep in mind that there is a complex person made in the image of God at the other end of the screen.

In other words, (to refer back to the OP), while I am not a gun person, I do see great need to protect others. IMO, the greatest threat isn't those who harm the body...it's those who murder others with their words. So, I'll jump in and defend people from mean words...even if those mean words would come from me. I'll even jump in and defend people who harm me first because while they devalue me, I try not to do the same to them.

THIS is why I appreciate the defense of those who stood for me. Their defense tells me several things: 1. they noticed that I was being wounded 2. they could do something about it 3. they get that it's not about whether or not I can defend myself, but about standing against something that is wrong.

I think what saddens me the most is while you have such ideals about protecting and defending others, you don't see me (and others here) as someone worthy of protection. You have somehow categorized me in a rather negative way, so you can't be bothered to measure your words or exercise kindness toward me.
Long post ..are so hard to answer ..because folks lay down a false foundation and then try build on top of it. So let me make this clear...anyone that attempts to promote gun control in our nation or seems to give cover for those who do? Is going to get a sharp rebuke from me and are going to get challenged in a very strong way in regards to their logic. Its not personal...
 

Dude653

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why did Obama keep saying " isil"?
 

Dude653

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That's why we have to push back against the brainwashing that has taken place concerning the right to defend ourselves and our families. They are sensationalizing crimes that happen with firearms and have successfully brainwashed the public that they are more dangerous than cars. In the hands of law abiding citizens who know how to use them... they save lives and they are insurance against the evil schemes of man to terrorize people and control them.
I understand that people should have rights to carry firearms to defend themselves but at the same time I don't feel like I need to bring an ak47 to McDonalds.
 
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kaylagrl

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why did Obama keep saying " isil"?

ISIS doesn't include Israel ISIL does. L stands for Levant a historic word that includes Israel. ISIS is Iraq and Syria.Notice the media says ISIS but Obama and his crew says ISIL. Lets you know where he stands huh?
 

p_rehbein

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Long post ..are so hard to answer ..because folks lay down a false foundation and then try build on top of it. So let me make this clear...anyone that attempts to promote gun control in our nation or seems to give cover for those who do? Is going to get a sharp rebuke from me and are going to get challenged in a very strong way in regards to their logic. Its not personal...
Feel free to rebuke me then, because I certainly DO NOT want convicted felons, known terrorists, street gang members, rapists, murders to HAVE THE RIGHT to possess a weapon. Drug dealers/drug gangs.........wife/child beaters are a couple more that should not have that right.

I do not want the mentally ill to possess weapons.

Now, you may be against gun control, and that is your right, but maybe you should think a little more about your statement?
 

p_rehbein

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Do need to clarify the convicted felon ban on weapon ownership. IF their crime involved the use of a firearm, or other deadly weapon....................people can be convicted of a non-violent felony.............