One more reason to like Trump
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You know, it IS ok to not like someone and agree with some of their positions. Me agreeing and liking some things that Trump does, doesn't make me on the Trump Train. Considering that his main influencer prior to getting political was the rich dems, it makes me cautious. I think this whole presidency is revenge on Obama cracking jokes about Trump being president and everyone laughing. Or the whole thing was staged and he's playing the champion of the people to make the voice of the people more weak.
Of the two options, I would prefer the revenge bit. We'll see, I guess.
Of the two options, I would prefer the revenge bit. We'll see, I guess.
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The Founding Fathers designed impeachment for someone exactly like Donald Trump
https://tinyurl.com/ya2ebmf5
1. to accuse (a public official) before an appropriate tribunal ofmisconduct in office.
Pathological lying is a form of “misconduct in office” making it an impeachableoffence
Dump is a pathological liar and that is NOT what we wantas our President.
We, the citizens of this great Nation must act NOW
What say you, fellow Americans-?
Pathological lying (also called pseudologia fantastica andmythomania) is a behavior of habitual or compulsive lying.[1][2]It was first described in the medical literature in 1891 by Anton Delbrueck.[2]Although it is a controversial topic,[2]pathological lying has been defined as "falsification entirelydisproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and verycomplicated, and may manifest over a period of years or even a lifetime".[1]Individuals may be aware they are lying, or may believe they are telling thetruth
Psychotherapy appears to be one of the only methods to treat a person sufferingfrom pathological lying. No research has been performed regarding the use ofpharmaceutical medication to treat pathological liars
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Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body formally levelscharges against a high official of government. Impeachmentdoes not necessarily mean removal from office; it is only a formal statement ofcharges, akin to an indictmentin criminal law, andis thus only the first step towards removal. Once an individual is impeached,he or she must then face the possibility of conviction via legislative vote,which then entails the removal of the individual from office.
Presidential Impeachment Process
Presidential Impeachment is a two stage Constitutional process.The full power of Impeachment and the removal of a sitting Presidentresides within Congress. The actual impeachment of a President is thesole power of the House of Representatives. Once a President is impeached,the power of removing the President shifts to the U.S. Senate.
The House of Representatives starts the impeachment process by publiclyinvestigating the charges and holding hearings. If the House of Representativesvotes against impeachment the process is over and the President is notImpeached.
If the House of Representatives votes for Impeachment of the President, theprocess moves forward with the drawing up of the Articles of Impeachment (Theofficial criminal charges for removal from office). The President has now beenofficially impeached per the UnitedStates Constitution. Once the Impeachment process is final, trialsare then held in the U.S. Senate to convict or acquit the President of theArticles of Impeachment drawn against him.
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Trump could also be charged with obstruction of justice
b.t.w. 30 days in jail would bring him back down to earth aswell
Do you agree--?
https://tinyurl.com/ya2ebmf5
ItIs Time To Talk Impeaching Trump
1. to accuse (a public official) before an appropriate tribunal ofmisconduct in office.
Pathological lying is a form of “misconduct in office” making it an impeachableoffence
Dump is a pathological liar and that is NOT what we wantas our President.
We, the citizens of this great Nation must act NOW
What say you, fellow Americans-?
Pathological lying (also called pseudologia fantastica andmythomania) is a behavior of habitual or compulsive lying.[1][2]It was first described in the medical literature in 1891 by Anton Delbrueck.[2]Although it is a controversial topic,[2]pathological lying has been defined as "falsification entirelydisproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and verycomplicated, and may manifest over a period of years or even a lifetime".[1]Individuals may be aware they are lying, or may believe they are telling thetruth
Psychotherapy appears to be one of the only methods to treat a person sufferingfrom pathological lying. No research has been performed regarding the use ofpharmaceutical medication to treat pathological liars
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Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body formally levelscharges against a high official of government. Impeachmentdoes not necessarily mean removal from office; it is only a formal statement ofcharges, akin to an indictmentin criminal law, andis thus only the first step towards removal. Once an individual is impeached,he or she must then face the possibility of conviction via legislative vote,which then entails the removal of the individual from office.
Presidential Impeachment Process
Presidential Impeachment is a two stage Constitutional process.The full power of Impeachment and the removal of a sitting Presidentresides within Congress. The actual impeachment of a President is thesole power of the House of Representatives. Once a President is impeached,the power of removing the President shifts to the U.S. Senate.
The House of Representatives starts the impeachment process by publiclyinvestigating the charges and holding hearings. If the House of Representativesvotes against impeachment the process is over and the President is notImpeached.
If the House of Representatives votes for Impeachment of the President, theprocess moves forward with the drawing up of the Articles of Impeachment (Theofficial criminal charges for removal from office). The President has now beenofficially impeached per the UnitedStates Constitution. Once the Impeachment process is final, trialsare then held in the U.S. Senate to convict or acquit the President of theArticles of Impeachment drawn against him.
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It Is Time ToTalk Impeachment
Trump could also be charged with obstruction of justice
b.t.w. 30 days in jail would bring him back down to earth aswell
Do you agree--?
Lets start at the starting place... you didn't build a case, you just made a presumption:
You go on and on about how "pathological lying" is CAUSED by this and that, and RESULTS in this and that, and should be DEALT WITH by this and that....
but there is one problem.
NOWHERE do you actually ESTABLISH that Trump IS a pathological liar.
You didn't PROVE he was a pathological liar... you just PRESUMED it.
Let's start with that.
Here is the problem you're going to face:
1. If you want to show pathology, you can't just start with a presumption of guilt because you dislike someone... you have to make a case of many many verified cases of lying, with a certain kind of intentionallity. You can't just "presume" this tirade of untruths because you dislike someone.
2. If you do have a specific LIST of "lies", then each individual "lie" will have to be individually examined to PROVE it is actually, verifiably, an untrue statement... and many of these controversial issues and contingent statements can be debated endlessly.
3. IF something IS found to be untrue, you would then have to prove intent... that an untruth was spoken with provable intention to deceive.
As fallible humans, we often speak untruths with no intent to deceive at all... we are just in error, or hold wrong views.
4. IF something IS found to be untrue AND spoken with intent to deceive, that alone STILL does not show a "pathology".
As Christians we know that EVERYONE has told some intentional lies... and that does not show a mental disorder.
* You have told lies in your life... does that make you pathological, or just a sinner?
* Your children have told lies... does that make them pathological, or just sinners?
* CNN, and most news networks, have been caught telling lies... does this make the networks pathological, or does it just make them sinners, with "political motives"?
5. If we do prove "pathology" by the standard clinical definition, we'd still have to admit that psychology is a "soft science", and all clinical definitions are just arbitrary, to some degree, in their ultimate analysis.
* A few years ago the clinical definition of homosexuality was that it was a mental disorder.
* Now... it has no clinical definition... it's considered perfectly normal.
* All clinical definitions in a "soft science" are malleable, changing, and have some degree of arbitrariness to their nature... they have no logical ability to contain absolute veracity.
- One psychologist's normal homosexual is another psychologist's case of mental instability, and one psychologist's pathological liar is another psychologist's normal, average politician.
- It's all going to be relative at the end of the day anyway... because a "soft science", inherently, by definition, can really "prove" very little.
Conclusion:
1. Regardless of what Trump has or has not done... this commenter's tirade just amounts to emotional nonsense... because he starts with a PRESUMPTION of guilt, which he does nothing to prove.
2. No matter how we look at this whole issue... it's not some clear, simple thing... it's an endless morass of politically motivated debate... which can, and most likely will, be debated endlessly.
By this, I'm not necessarily suggesting guilt or innocence... I'm saying it's a quagmire, because that's what it is.
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