Parallel Universes and how to change reality

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posthuman

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i think a lot of people who know very little about physics have seriously corrupted & misinterpreted Heisenberg and Planck's work, trying to give their weird philosophies some credibility by using "big sciency words."
 
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Heh me and my friend were just debating Theories of Universes, Multiverses, and parallel universes yesterday.

I do not beleieve fictional multiverses or parallel universes exist for the simple reason that such things would defy the definition of a universe and thus are impossible.

Universe | Define Universe at Dictionary.com

1. the totality of known or supposed objects and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos; macrocosm.



So you can see because the Universe is defined as the totality of all creation, it is therefore not possible for a multiverse or parallel universe to exist. Fun theroies, but alas, they are just ficition.
 

posthuman

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if you roll a die, it could land on any of the 6 faces.
if you want to talk about the die roll using math,
you have to consider a "probability space" of all the possible outcomes.
that doesn't mean the die actually lands on every face in some universe.
it just means uncertainty exists.
 
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1still_waters

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This is from the video's about section.
Mainstream science is now recognizing the existence of parallel realities. Can we change realities by shifting our intention?

This video suggests a model of six dimensions of reality that explain the power of focus to heal illness and extends to a shift in planetary consciousness to heal the world.
This is just mind science/positive confession/The Secret/etc with some scientific jargon tagged onto it.

I've read a lot of source material from Deepak Chopra, mind science teachers, The Secret, and it's all the same thing. Our thoughts and intentions can change the reality according to them. Our thoughts are matter that eventually turn into tangible manifestations.

PBS plays a series of videos during their fundraising where a guy teaches something similar to this video, all about the power of intention and how it can manifest into reality.

In this video you have a lot of rehashed hocus-pocus with fancy sounding science behind it.
 
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1still_waters

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Around 8:44 he suggests that humankind could create a reality of cooperation and peace in the world if we just focused our intentions in the right direction.

Slow down and think about that line of reasoning as a Christian.

Who becomes the source of overcoming evil and the sinful nature in man?

Man does!

So whose works overcome the evil of sin?

The works of man.

This is work's righteousness and totally goes against the gospel, that says true righteousness and victory over sin comes through Christ and what he did for us.
 
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1still_waters

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I've been saying for a while now that eventually science and these mind science religions will eventually overlap, and lead us into some serious problems. Pay close attention to thinks like string theory and quantum physics in science. You'll begin to notice the overlap too.


People will accept it because it has the endorsement of science. But in the end it's like every other solution we've tried to fix the problems of sin. The solution to the problem comes from the work of men, and not the work of Jesus.
 

maxwel

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IF there was a parallel universe, some kind of weird, surreal, parallel universe...

I'm sure there'd be a Christian Chat forum where everyone agreed on everything.

What a twisted place.
: )
 
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Around 8:44 he suggests that humankind could create a reality of cooperation and peace in the world if we just focused our intentions in the right direction.

Slow down and think about that line of reasoning as a Christian.

Who becomes the source of overcoming evil and the sinful nature in man?

Man does!

So whose works overcome the evil of sin?

The works of man.

This is work's righteousness and totally goes against the gospel, that says true righteousness and victory over sin comes through Christ and what he did for us.
I see what you mean, and I do agree this modern pseudoscience is little more than the occult repackaged.

Though I'd disagree on the last part. Is it not written that faith without works is dead?

It is true if mankind repented we could live in a golden age right here on the fallen earth. However the catch here is that all people would essentially have to convert to Christianity. While I wish such a thing would indeed happen, I must be realistic and realize such a thing will never happen until the heavens and the earth perish with great fire and Jesus resurrects all the dead and creates his perfect creation. All we can do for now is do our best for Jesus, love and forgive our neighbors, and watch for Jesus coming.
 

Billyd

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I think that we (Christians) spend entirely too much time worrying about the science of the universe. My Bible says God created it. I accept that. Nowhere in the Bible does it tell me about anymore than the people of the time of Moses could understand. The Rest of the Bible leads to the Gospel and instructions on what we are to do. When we argue about how the universe was created, we are deviating far from the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19-20.

Now, as a scientist, I find nothing wrong with exploring how he did it. If God doesn't want me to know, I will guarantee you that I will never discover the details. Let's stop trying to discredit the work of the scientist, we are wasting time.
 
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1still_waters

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I see what you mean, and I do agree this modern pseudoscience is little more than the occult repackaged.

Though I'd disagree on the last part. Is it not written that faith without works is dead?

It is true if mankind repented we could live in a golden age right here on the fallen earth. However the catch here is that all people would essentially have to convert to Christianity. While I wish such a thing would indeed happen, I must be realistic and realize such a thing will never happen until the heavens and the earth perish with great fire and Jesus resurrects all the dead and creates his perfect creation. All we can do for now is do our best for Jesus, love and forgive our neighbors, and watch for Jesus coming.
If this guy said repent of your sins and trust Christ, I'd say his message is right on.
He's teaching faith in thoughts, not faith in Jesus.
Faith isn't just positive intentions.
It's trust in what Jesus has done for us.
 
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If this guy said repent of your sins and trust Christ, I'd say his message is right on.
He's teaching faith in thoughts, not faith in Jesus.
Faith isn't just positive intentions.
It's trust in what Jesus has done for us.
Aye indeed.
 
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You all exist in my universe anyways....

eh
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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No living human being can materially transcend the space-time manifold of even this universe to access other physical dimensions transcending length, width, height, and time that may be part of the fabric of this universe which are postulated to be infinitesimal curled up dimensions in any event and offer no access to multiverse dimensionality even one could. Dead end.

And even if a physical multiverse exists (which is presently esoteric mathematical theory sans-scientific evidence), no living human being can materially transcend the space time manifold of this universe to access other physical universes and even if they could (which they cannot), no person has the power to manipulate other physical universes to cause their own healing through physical or mental processes.

That said, because a person possesses a spiritual component and reality exists in the form of spiritual dimensions beyond this physical universe, this opens up two possibilities. The first is good and the second is evil.

First the good. Through prayer we can cross the space-time manifold of the cosmos and converse with God in His extradimensional realm(s). Because prayer is extra-dimensional in its reach, it must be considered the most powerful capacity God has made available to us in our current dimensional context.

This allows us to initiate communication with God who can heal us, if He so chooses to, because God exists outside of this universe and it's material limitations and laws yet has the power to interact with us and manipulate matter on a micro level.

For genuine Christians, those of us who invite God's Spirit to live in the core of our spiritual being and to express Christ through us-body, soul, and spirit; we become linked forever with God. We experience a change as dramatic as birth, and it is called a spiritual birth.

God's character and capacities become available to us as never before, despite the necessary limits of our physical context. God can actually endow genuine Christians with the "gift" of healing in this manner (though it is God Himself who actually heals through the person he has endowed with the gift of healing). For more information, read the Holy Bible.

Now for the evil second possibility which is the world of the occult in which spiritual beings (e.g. demons/fallen angels) who rebelled against God led by the most powerful called Lucifer, or Satan (among other designations) exercise limited power and a penchant for deceiving people to reject or distort God's authority and purposes and draw attention away from God and the historic Christian gospel and God's kingdom.

One tactic is through occultic psychic healing which results in demonic oppression and depression that impacts lives for years after it occurs ending only with a genuine commitment to Jesus Christ. The world of the occult is strictly prohibited in scripture and leads only to spiritual bondage and deception. For more information, read 'The Kingdom of the Occult' by Dr. Walter Martin.



 

NoahsDad

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Around 8:44 he suggests that humankind could create a reality of cooperation and peace in the world if we just focused our intentions in the right direction.

Slow down and think about that line of reasoning as a Christian.

Who becomes the source of overcoming evil and the sinful nature in man?

Man does!

So whose works overcome the evil of sin?

The works of man.

This is work's righteousness and totally goes against the gospel, that says true righteousness and victory over sin comes through Christ and what he did for us.
Good reading Yankee! I knew you'd look at the source of the video and go to his page to see what he was all about!!!!!!
This is what I've been noticing and harping on for a few years now ,This Crap filtering into the Church of God .
The guys whole page is FULL of bible quotes ,the channel is called "God Speaks" and has the whole thing covered with Bible quotes and teaching from the bible . I reckon this guy fancies himself a preacher of some sort . He has Several followers that think like he does as well .
 
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1still_waters

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Good reading Yankee! I knew you'd look at the source of the video and go to his page to see what he was all about!!!!!!
This is what I've been noticing and harping on for a few years now ,This Crap filtering into the Church of God .
The guys whole page is FULL of bible quotes ,the channel is called "God Speaks" and has the whole thing covered with Bible quotes and teaching from the bible . I reckon this guy fancies himself a preacher of some sort . He has Several followers that think like he does as well .
Yeah I spent a year or so on and off during that year, reading tons of source material from this line of thinking. It makes lots of "logical" sense when not measured against scripture, and actually looks scriptural when tagged with out of context Bible verses.
 

NoahsDad

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Oncefallen

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I just did a little research on this guy. He is a proponent of the Aquarian Gospel which is pure heresy. He mixes alot of Eastern mysticism with a little scripture which is how so many babes in Christ are led astray thinking somehow they are really achieving a higher level of connection with the Holy Spirit.