Pastor tells kids waiting in Santa Clause like that Santa isn't real

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tourist

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Huh? What does this have to do with your point that "bearing false witness is okay as long as there isn't any malicious intent" or my rebuttal to your point?
I don't think that a small child would understand the terms 'pretend' or 'fiction'. I hardly think that a parent telling their kids about Santa is bearing false witness. A lot of how a parent would handle this would depend on their level of spiritual maturity. If a parent suffers a guilt complex about every little thing than yeah, no Santa, Easter Bunny, tooth fairy or trick or treating. A lot of happy childhood memories would not happen. There are exceptions but the reason that a parent would not let a child experience these things probably comes out of fear and guilt.
 

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This just shows you lack understanding about the mind of children. You should go take a bunch of parenting classes before you decide too. Our job is to foster an environment that allows creativity in children. Not stifle their imagination with adult religious bias and nonsense. Santa is a fun game for kids. No different than pretending to be iron man.
...or the friendly neighborhood Spider Man.
 
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Hey, I pray your child is well adjusted... If he/she is, it won't be because you tricked him/her into believe Santa was real... it'll be for all the other good things you did/taught him/her. No parent is perfect, but even imperfect parents can have pretty amazing kids.
I love how you manipulative types in your rush to prove a point like to inject things that aren't there...like I somehow tricked my kid.
 
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I don't think that a small child would understand the terms 'pretend' or 'fiction'. I hardly think that a parent telling their kids about Santa is bearing false witness. A lot of how a parent would handle this would depend on their level of spiritual maturity. If a parent suffers a guilt complex about every little thing than yeah, no Santa, Easter Bunny, tooth fairy or trick or treating. A lot of happy childhood memories would not happen. There are exceptions but the reason that a parent would not let a child experience these things probably comes out of fear and guilt.
or just plain bad advice from some religious nutcase.
 

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I don't think that a small child would understand the terms 'pretend' or 'fiction'. I hardly think that a parent telling their kids about Santa is bearing false witness. A lot of how a parent would handle this would depend on their level of spiritual maturity. If a parent suffers a guilt complex about every little thing than yeah, no Santa, Easter Bunny, tooth fairy or trick or treating. A lot of happy childhood memories would not happen. There are exceptions but the reason that a parent would not let a child experience these things probably comes out of fear and guilt.
So many things wrong with this post brother. :(

1.) You can still have Santa and pretend... you don't have to lie to them.
2.) A parent telling their child something that they know is untrue is in fact bearing false witness... it's the very definition of it. lol
3.) If a child doesn't understand "pretend" or "fiction", how is he suppose to comprehend all the things Santa supposedly does? Now, if we use a child that is old enough to comprehend the things Santa does then I think it's safe to assume the child will also understand "pretend" and "fiction."
4.) As for a lot of happy childhood memories not happening... yikes... I can give you a plethora of happy memories I had as a child that are irrelevant of the commercial aspects of Santa and the Easter bunny... furthermore, people have lots of fun memories pretending to believe in Santa even though they know he isn't real... It's as if you aren't reading any of my posts on this thread. :(
 

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I love how you manipulative types in your rush to prove a point like to inject things that aren't there...like I somehow tricked my kid.
You use the term "manipulative" yet defend lying to children about Santa because it helps their imagination grow...
 

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This just shows you lack understanding about the mind of children. You should go take a bunch of parenting classes before you decide too. Our job is to foster an environment that allows creativity in children. Not stifle their imagination with adult religious bias and nonsense. Santa is a fun game for kids. No different than pretending to be iron man.
...or the friendly neighborhood Spider Man.
The difference is one is pretending, the other is not (when you tell your child there really is a Santa). Now, if you make it clear that there really isn't a Santa but wish to pretend, then yes, it's the same thing.
 
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Be nice everyone or Santa won't bring you any presents.
 

Smoke

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Be nice everyone or Santa won't bring you any presents.
I fear Santa will be getting a fat lip from people if he doesn't bring them presents. :(
 
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You use the term "manipulative" yet defend lying to children about Santa because it helps their imagination grow...
Im done with you. Carry on with your nonsense.
 
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Merry Christmas. :eek:
For the record. My kid doesn't believe in Santa clause and he is 9. But he still asked me if we can leave out milk and cookies...,cuz he knows I'll get up and eat and drink and he'll wake up to a couple of extra gifts under the tree that have santas name on them.....he's no dummy.
 
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For the record. My kid doesn't believe in Santa clause and he is 9. But he still asked me if we can leave out milk and cookies...,cuz he knows I'll get up and eat and drink and he'll wake up to a couple of extra gifts under the tree that have santas name on them.....he's no dummy.
Hey I still bake cookies for Santa and even set up a trap to catch him and several years later, I find myself still unsuccessful, he outsmarts me all the time :p

My friend on the other hand got hit on by Santa at my works Christmas party, it was awesome lol
 
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The difference is one is pretending, the other is not (when you tell your child there really is a Santa). Now, if you make it clear that there really isn't a Santa but wish to pretend, then yes, it's the same thing.

Listen if this "pastor" wants to tell the kids in church there is no Santa,if he wants to tell the parents off for lying to kids IN HIS CHURCH, fine. He's talking to mainly,hopefully, saved Christians. But to walk into a mall and film himself telling unsaved parents with their children there is no Santa is cruel. It was to draw attention to himself and it was for his own glory. Its none of his business what the parents teach their kids or what lies they teach them. He made a fool of himself and the Gospel. He closed the door shut to everyone in that line and now no one will be able to reach them with the truth because a self centered donkey wanted to make a point.

You know what he wouldn't do? Pass out fliers and shake peoples hands,"you're welcome to come to our church on Sunday,free cookies,coffee and gifts for the little ones" Then while there tell them about the baby Jesus and invite them to Sunday school. Do you know how many parents get saved from kids doing Christmas plays,attending Sunday school and asking parents to come? Why didn't he do that??? TOO MUCH EFFORT! No lets walk into a mall and yell like a lunatic and get it on cam and show people how righteous I am. Ridiculous,no reason for it. He did deserve to be slugged.
 
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Listen if this "pastor" wants to tell the kids in church there is no Santa,if he wants to tell the parents off for lying to kids IN HIS CHURCH, fine. He's talking to mainly,hopefully, saved Christians. But to walk into a mall and film himself telling unsaved parents with their children there is no Santa is cruel. It was to draw attention to himself and it was for his own glory. Its none of his business what the parents teach their kids or what lies they teach them. He made a fool of himself and the Gospel. He closed the door shut to everyone in that line and now no one will be able to reach them with the truth because a self centered donkey wanted to make a point.

You know what he wouldn't do? Pass out fliers and shake peoples hands,"you're welcome to come to our church on Sunday,free cookies,coffee and gifts for the little ones" Then while there tell them about the baby Jesus and invite them to Sunday school. Do you know how many parents get saved from kids doing Christmas plays,attending Sunday school and asking parents to come? Why didn't he do that??? TOO MUCH EFFORT! No lets walk into a mall and yell like a lunatic and get it on cam and show people how righteous I am. Ridiculous,no reason for it. He did deserve to be slugged.
Just when I'm about to leave this insane asylum someone pops back up that is actually sane.
 
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kaylagrl

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Just when I'm about to leave this insane asylum someone pops back up that is actually sane.
Wellll don't put too much faith in me. I dont have kids,I have nephews. I know if I was in the situation my 6'4 hubby would help "escort" this man to the nearest door. There might be some flying involved. Just totally self serving and ridiculous.
 
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For the record. My kid doesn't believe in Santa clause and he is 9. But he still asked me if we can leave out milk and cookies...,cuz he knows I'll get up and eat and drink and he'll wake up to a couple of extra gifts under the tree that have santas name on them.....he's no dummy.
We did leave out porridge till our youngest was 6, but of course, her brother had done told her that their dad was the one eating the porridge, so one might can say she was informed by a more mature mind. We don't do that no more, but it was fun as long as it lasted:). They're still talking about that their dad had to eat the porridge before they got up;).
 
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We did leave out porridge till our youngest was 6, but of course, her brother had done told her that their dad was the one eating the porridge, so one might can say she was informed by a more mature mind. We don't do that no more, but it was fun as long as it lasted:). They're still talking about that their dad had to eat the porridge before they got up;).



I have yet to meet a 40yr old that believes in Santa. Fairytales are the wonder of childhood.They grow up and see the world for what it really is soon enough.
 

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We did leave out porridge till our youngest was 6, but of course, her brother had done told her that their dad was the one eating the porridge, so one might can say she was informed by a more mature mind. We don't do that no more, but it was fun as long as it lasted:). They're still talking about that their dad had to eat the porridge before they got up;).
I thought that the porridge was eaten by Goldilocks? :)
 

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I never told my daughter about Santa but her mother and family made a big deal out of it. She was about 4 when she asked me if there was really a Santa Clause. I didn't answer her directly but asked her if she thought that there was really an Easter Bunny. She thought for a moment and then said no. She was not harmed by being told about Santa Clause but she was also smart enough to figure it out on her own.