Persecution of Christians in Israel
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Zechariah 12:9-14 (KJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. [SUP]11 [/SUP]In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; [SUP]13 [/SUP]The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; [SUP]14 [/SUP]All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
It's not off topic. My point is that if we can't discuss the persecution of Palestinian Christians because there are far worse things taking place in other areas then I don't see how we can complain when we are being persecuted in the United States. It's just strange that American Christians will shrug and make excuses when it comes to our Palestenian brothers and sisters in Christ but then get all fired up if a store clerk doesn't say "Merry Christmas". It's a double standard. If these were any other Christians in any other area there wouldn't be such a lack of empathy and excuse making.
From Wikipedia:
Conservative Judaism is a modern stream of Ashkenazi Judaism that arose out of intellectual currents of the Jewish reform movement in Germany in the mid-19th century and took institutional form in the United States in the early 1900s.
Conservative Judaism has its roots in the school of thought known as Positive-Historical Judaism, developed in 1850s Germany as a reaction to the more liberal religious positions taken by German Reform and put into practice from the 1840s in the Frankfurtand Berlin reform congregations. The term conservative was meant to signify that reform-minded Jews should attempt to conservesome or most of the Ashkenazi Jewish traditions, rather than reform or abandon all of it. And the term conservative does not imply the movement's adherents are politically conservative.
I know Wikipedia isn't the best source..... I'm just showing that if THEY have this info, people on this site should at least know something about it........
I'm just curious as to why NONE of that has been mentioned. After all, if Ashkenazis are the MAJORITY of Israel's Jews, then they're in the upper govt. as well..... which means those that are against the Palestinian christians are mostly not true Jews at all.
Conservative Judaism is a modern stream of Ashkenazi Judaism that arose out of intellectual currents of the Jewish reform movement in Germany in the mid-19th century and took institutional form in the United States in the early 1900s.
Conservative Judaism has its roots in the school of thought known as Positive-Historical Judaism, developed in 1850s Germany as a reaction to the more liberal religious positions taken by German Reform and put into practice from the 1840s in the Frankfurtand Berlin reform congregations. The term conservative was meant to signify that reform-minded Jews should attempt to conservesome or most of the Ashkenazi Jewish traditions, rather than reform or abandon all of it. And the term conservative does not imply the movement's adherents are politically conservative.
I know Wikipedia isn't the best source..... I'm just showing that if THEY have this info, people on this site should at least know something about it........
I'm just curious as to why NONE of that has been mentioned. After all, if Ashkenazis are the MAJORITY of Israel's Jews, then they're in the upper govt. as well..... which means those that are against the Palestinian christians are mostly not true Jews at all.
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We aren't being persecuted. We're being "annoyed." You'll know when we face real persecution. Trust me, it's coming, and soon.
No one is shrugging or making excuses. You haven't been paying attention to what I've said. Yes, it is sad that our brothers and sisters in Christ from Palestine living in Israel are discriminated against. But why do you suppose they're living in Israel instead of Palestine? I've explained that, too, if you've noticed.
It is not a double standard. What Palestinian Christians go through living in Israel is nothing to what they go through living in Palestine, and pales in comparison to what Islamic Palestinians do to Christians and Jews in Palestine.
Again, you are whining and crying over something that is virtually meaningless compared to what is going on all around it. Your plaint would be better received if you also, and more vocally, decried the terrorist acts committed against both Christians and Jews in the exact same area of the world.
No one is shrugging or making excuses. You haven't been paying attention to what I've said. Yes, it is sad that our brothers and sisters in Christ from Palestine living in Israel are discriminated against. But why do you suppose they're living in Israel instead of Palestine? I've explained that, too, if you've noticed.
It is not a double standard. What Palestinian Christians go through living in Israel is nothing to what they go through living in Palestine, and pales in comparison to what Islamic Palestinians do to Christians and Jews in Palestine.
Again, you are whining and crying over something that is virtually meaningless compared to what is going on all around it. Your plaint would be better received if you also, and more vocally, decried the terrorist acts committed against both Christians and Jews in the exact same area of the world.
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We aren't being persecuted. We're being "annoyed." You'll know when we face real persecution. Trust me, it's coming, and soon.
Not for nothing Brother, but the Missionary from my Church...........would beg to disagree with you. Persecution is the only description that fits them. Just saying
Not for nothing Brother, but the Missionary from my Church...........would beg to disagree with you. Persecution is the only description that fits them. Just saying
Ok............just clarifying I'd say it has certainly begun, and depending on the 2016 General Election, it could be much, much worse.............ISIS is HERE in the US, and that is agreed upon by our Intelligence Agencies. The more "liberal" our approach to identifying these radical Islamic terrorists, the more dangerous our world becomes right here in the US.
I'd say it has certainly begun, and depending on the 2016 General Election, it could be much, much worse.............ISIS is HERE in the US, and that is agreed upon by our Intelligence Agencies. The more "liberal" our approach to identifying these radical Islamic terrorists, the more dangerous our world becomes right here in the US.
Ok............just clarifying I'd say it has certainly begun, and depending on the 2016 General Election, it could be much, much worse.............ISIS is HERE in the US, and that is agreed upon by our Intelligence Agencies. The more "liberal" our approach to identifying these radical Islamic terrorists, the more dangerous our world becomes right here in the US.
I'd say it has certainly begun, and depending on the 2016 General Election, it could be much, much worse.............ISIS is HERE in the US, and that is agreed upon by our Intelligence Agencies. The more "liberal" our approach to identifying these radical Islamic terrorists, the more dangerous our world becomes right here in the US.
And, BTW, don't believe everything you hear in the media.
Your'e absolutely right that the arabs and others in the region referred to "allah" as god. The problem is the allah they worshipped means moon-god. Even today, ask yourself why there are crescent moons on top of many mosques. They STILL worship the demonic moon god- allah:[video=youtube;C6lj2QNUrcg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6lj2QNUrcg[/video]
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Not totally correct. It is not the name for "God" (big "G") but a contraction of the Arabic words "al" (the) and "ilah" (God). It is speculated that a god by that name was worshiped by Arabic pagans in Mecca before Muhammad was born, but there really isn't any proof of that.
No, because despite the fact the Islamic god is nameless, Muslims have turned "Allah" into a proper name for their god, therefore any use of the word -- such as in the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance, for example -- is an improper replacement of the word "God" which is also a pronoun rather than a noun, but which by the same token Muslims us "Allah" as the name of their God, we use "God" for the name of the God of the Bible.
No, because despite the fact the Islamic god is nameless, Muslims have turned "Allah" into a proper name for their god, therefore any use of the word -- such as in the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance, for example -- is an improper replacement of the word "God" which is also a pronoun rather than a noun, but which by the same token Muslims us "Allah" as the name of their God, we use "God" for the name of the God of the Bible.
I guess you didn't read the article posted in the OP. For example, the government will not issue travel papers, or allow people into Jerusalem who are Palestinian Christians. They box people up in an area, and they are not allowed to travel, because the government has not given them the necessary documentation.
They are harassed by soldiers, who represent the government. Their land is confiscated by the government, forcing them to become refugees. They are unable to worship in the church of their choice, because the government will not allow them into the areas where the churches are.
"During our years of priesthood, we have paid visits to many Palestinian Christian political prisoners jailed in Israeli prisons, participated in funerals of Christians who have lost their lives in this bloody conflict, assisted families divided by the Israeli policy of stripping Palestinian residency rights, and lobbied on behalf of our parishioners whose property was confiscated by Israel.
In the West Bank Israel does not differentiate between Palestinian Christians and Muslims in its policies. Several studies have shown that the Israeli occupation and settlement activities are the main reason for Christian emigration.
These claims are not Palestinian “propaganda” but have been largely researched by the US government, the European Union and the United Nations. In fact, all the recent International Religious Freedom Reports published by the US Department of State highlight this issue.
To conclude, Palestinian Christians are not persecuted by Palestinian Muslims. The end of the Israeli occupation would allow all our people, Christians and Muslims, to develop all our potential living side by side."
The plight of Palestinian Christians - Opinion - Jerusalem Post
Interesting when you read the accounts of actual Palestinian Christians who live in Israel, it differs significantly from the reports of Christian Zionists and Jewish Israelis.
While I think the Jews need a homeland, they have been heavy handed about Palestinians, including Christians since Day 1 and I think people need to understand that this is not isolated, but systematic persecution by the Israeli government.
I wonder how many Americans/Canadians would be content to sit in an ethnic ghetto in their home towns, not be able to move about freely, to worship at the church of their choice, or even go to MacDonald's, which is barred because it is on the other side of an Israeli checkpoint that they do not have government permission to cross. Really, just being confined to a ghetto has shades of Nazi Germany and Poland as WWII approached, doesn't it?? Talk about learning from your oppressors!