Pope Francis declares evolution and big Bang theory are right

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oyster67

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Of course, you will always have those who will dismiss overwhelming scientific evidence if it is in conflict with their pre-conceived notions like the world is 6,000 years old.
I hate to be so straight on this, but I must say that, if overwhelming scientific "evidence" is in conflict with the Word of God, then our modern science is built on shifting sand. Faulty evidence is worse that no evidence at all.
 

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I'm mostly interested in what Christians thought. Like it says in the article: "During the early Church period, with some exceptions, most held a spherical view, for instance, Augustine, Jerome, and Ambrose to name a few.[SUP][66]"

[/SUP]Of course, you will always have those who will dismiss overwhelming scientific evidence if it is in conflict with their pre-conceived notions like the world is 6,000 years old.
Plain and simple...evolution is not science and I'm surprised that the pope is jumping on board a sinking ship.
 

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I'm assuming you are referring to translations like the NIV and NLT in your last sentence.

"The christian, then turns to the supernatural: God did it. It is a simple but utterly profound rationale. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and that sums it up. It does not rule out some kind of God directed evolution, neither does it give it any support."

The above is a statement about evolution in a NLT Bible discussed in these forums.

That seems like a reasonable statement to me, and along the lines of what the Pope said.
That may sum it up, but Scripture goes further by stating 'how' God created the heavens and earth...and it's not the Big Bang.
 

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The minute you say "GOD spoke" it opposes the heart of the evolution theory. The evolution theory is satanic and its purpose is to disprove intelligent design.

So yes if there was a big bang GOD probably spoke it, but real evolution still wouldn't agree.
 
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The minute you say "GOD spoke" it opposes the heart of the evolution theory. The evolution theory is satanic and its purpose is to disprove intelligent design.
No doubt you are quite familiar with the U.S. federal court decision famous for evolution vs. intelligent design.

Right?
 

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No doubt you are quite familiar with the U.S. federal court decision famous for evolution vs. intelligent design.

Right?
What is true to Scripture and the decisions of the Court do not always coincide.
 
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What is true to Scripture and the decisions of the Court do not always coincide.
Especially if the decisions of the Court do not agree with YOUR private interpretation of Scripture.

And what EXACTLY is Scripture?

The KJV? Or what, EXACTLY?
 

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Especially if the decisions of the Court do not agree with YOUR private interpretation of Scripture.

And what EXACTLY is Scripture?

The KJV? Or what, EXACTLY?
No matter much. All bona fide translations agree...all in 6 days...

Genesis 1:31


(ACV) And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


(ABP+) AndG2532 God beheldG1492 G3588 G2316 G3588 allG3956 as much asG3745 he made.G4160 AndG2532 behold, it was G2400 [2goodG2570 1exceedingly].G3029 AndG2532 there wasG1096 eveningG2073 andG2532 there wasG1096 morning,G4404 [2dayG2250 1 the sixth].G1622


(ABP-G+) καιG2532 ειδεν ο θεοςG1492 G3588 G2316 ταG3588 πανταG3956 οσαG3745 εποιησεG4160 καιG2532 ιδουG2400 καλαG2570 λιανG3029 καιG2532 εγενετοG1096 εσπεραG2073 καιG2532 εγενετοG1096 πρωϊG4404 ημεραG2250 εκτηG1622


(ASV) And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


(Brenton) And God saw all the things that he had made, and, behold, they were very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


(CEV) God looked at what he had done. All of it was very good! Evening came and then morning--that was the sixth day.


(CLV) And seeing is the Elohim all that He had made, and, behold, it is very good. And coming is it to be evening and coming to be morning, the sixth day.


(Darby) And God saw everything that he had made, and behold it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day.




(ESV) And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


(GW) And God saw everything that he had made and that it was very good. There was evening, then morning-the sixth day.


(HSB) וַיַּ֤רְא H7200 vai·Yar saw אֱלֹהִים֙ H430 E·lo·Him And God אֶת־ H853 'et- כָּל־ H3605 kol- all אֲשֶׁ֣ר H834 'a·Sher every thing that עָשָׂ֔ה H6213 'a·Sah, he had made וְהִנֵּה־ H2009 ve·hin·neh- and behold ט֖וֹב H2896 Tov good מְאֹ֑ד H3966 me·'Od; and behold [it was] very וַֽיְהִי־ H1961 vay·hi- and there was עֶ֥רֶב H6153 'E·rev And the evening וַֽיְהִי־ H1961 vay·hi- and there was בֹ֖קֶר H1242 Vo·ker and the morning י֥וֹם H3117 Yom day הַשִּׁשִּֽׁי׃ H8345 hash·shish·Shi. were the sixth פPeh


(ISV) Now God saw all that he had made, and indeed, it was very good! The twilight and the dawn were the sixth day.


(LITV-TSP) And God saw everything that He had made and behold, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning the sixth day.


(JPS) And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


(KJV) And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


(KJV+TVM) And GodH430 sawH7200 [H8799] every thing thatH834 he had madeH6213 [H8804], and, behold, it was veryH3966 goodH2896. And the eveningH6153 and the morningH1242 were the sixthH8345 dayH3117.


(KJV+) And GodH430 sawH7200 (H853) every thingH3605 thatH834 he had made,H6213 and, behold,H2009 it was veryH3966 good.H2896 And the eveningH6153 and the morningH1242 wereH1961 the sixthH8345 day.H3117


(LEB) And God saw everything that he had made and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning, a sixth day.


(LITV) And God saw everything that He had made and behold, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning the sixth day.


(LXX+) καιG2532 CONJ ειδενG3708 V-AAI-3S οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM ταG3588 T-APN πανταG3956 A-APN οσαG3745 A-APN εποιησενG4160 V-AAI-3S καιG2532 CONJ ιδουG2400 INJ καλαG2570 A-APN λιανG3029 ADV καιG2532 CONJ εγενετοG1096 V-AMI-3S εσπεραG2073 N-NSF καιG2532 CONJ εγενετοG1096 V-AMI-3S πρωιG4404 ADV ημεραG2250 N-NSF εκτηG1622 A-NSF


(MKJV) And God saw everything that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


(NBLH) Dios vio todo lo que había hecho; y era bueno en gran manera. Y fue la tarde y fue la mañana: el sexto día.


(Translit+) . 'elohiym430 ra'ah7200 kol3605 . . . . 'asah6213 . hinneh2009 . . me'od3966 towb2896 . . 'ereb6153 . . boqer1242 . . shishshiy8345 yowm3117


(YLT) And God seeth all that He hath done, and lo, very good; and there is an evening, and there is a morning--day the sixth.
 

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The minute you say "GOD spoke" it opposes the heart of the evolution theory. The evolution theory is satanic and its purpose is to disprove intelligent design.

So yes if there was a big bang GOD probably spoke it, but real evolution still wouldn't agree.
so Pope is satanic.
 
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No matter much. All bona fide translations agree...all in 6 days...

Genesis 1:31


(ACV) And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


(ABP+) AndG2532 God beheldG1492 G3588 G2316 G3588 allG3956 as much asG3745 he made.G4160 AndG2532 behold, it was G2400 [2goodG2570 1exceedingly].G3029 AndG2532 there wasG1096 eveningG2073 andG2532 there wasG1096 morning,G4404 [2dayG2250 1 the sixth].G1622


(ABP-G+) καιG2532 ειδεν ο θεοςG1492 G3588 G2316 ταG3588 πανταG3956 οσαG3745 εποιησεG4160 καιG2532 ιδουG2400 καλαG2570 λιανG3029 καιG2532 εγενετοG1096 εσπεραG2073 καιG2532 εγενετοG1096 πρωϊG4404 ημεραG2250 εκτηG1622


(ASV) And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


(Brenton) And God saw all the things that he had made, and, behold, they were very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


(CEV) God looked at what he had done. All of it was very good! Evening came and then morning--that was the sixth day.


(CLV) And seeing is the Elohim all that He had made, and, behold, it is very good. And coming is it to be evening and coming to be morning, the sixth day.


(Darby) And God saw everything that he had made, and behold it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day.




(ESV) And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


(GW) And God saw everything that he had made and that it was very good. There was evening, then morning-the sixth day.


(HSB) וַיַּ֤רְא H7200 vai·Yar saw אֱלֹהִים֙ H430 E·lo·Him And God אֶת־ H853 'et- כָּל־ H3605 kol- all אֲשֶׁ֣ר H834 'a·Sher every thing that עָשָׂ֔ה H6213 'a·Sah, he had made וְהִנֵּה־ H2009 ve·hin·neh- and behold ט֖וֹב H2896 Tov good מְאֹ֑ד H3966 me·'Od; and behold [it was] very וַֽיְהִי־ H1961 vay·hi- and there was עֶ֥רֶב H6153 'E·rev And the evening וַֽיְהִי־ H1961 vay·hi- and there was בֹ֖קֶר H1242 Vo·ker and the morning י֥וֹם H3117 Yom day הַשִּׁשִּֽׁי׃ H8345 hash·shish·Shi. were the sixth פPeh


(ISV) Now God saw all that he had made, and indeed, it was very good! The twilight and the dawn were the sixth day.


(LITV-TSP) And God saw everything that He had made and behold, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning the sixth day.


(JPS) And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


(KJV) And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


(KJV+TVM) And GodH430 sawH7200 [H8799] every thing thatH834 he had madeH6213 [H8804], and, behold, it was veryH3966 goodH2896. And the eveningH6153 and the morningH1242 were the sixthH8345 dayH3117.


(KJV+) And GodH430 sawH7200 (H853) every thingH3605 thatH834 he had made,H6213 and, behold,H2009 it was veryH3966 good.H2896 And the eveningH6153 and the morningH1242 wereH1961 the sixthH8345 day.H3117


(LEB) And God saw everything that he had made and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning, a sixth day.


(LITV) And God saw everything that He had made and behold, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning the sixth day.


(LXX+) καιG2532 CONJ ειδενG3708 V-AAI-3S οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM ταG3588 T-APN πανταG3956 A-APN οσαG3745 A-APN εποιησενG4160 V-AAI-3S καιG2532 CONJ ιδουG2400 INJ καλαG2570 A-APN λιανG3029 ADV καιG2532 CONJ εγενετοG1096 V-AMI-3S εσπεραG2073 N-NSF καιG2532 CONJ εγενετοG1096 V-AMI-3S πρωιG4404 ADV ημεραG2250 N-NSF εκτηG1622 A-NSF


(MKJV) And God saw everything that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


(NBLH) Dios vio todo lo que había hecho; y era bueno en gran manera. Y fue la tarde y fue la mañana: el sexto día.


(Translit+) . 'elohiym430 ra'ah7200 kol3605 . . . . 'asah6213 . hinneh2009 . . me'od3966 towb2896 . . 'ereb6153 . . boqer1242 . . shishshiy8345 yowm3117


(YLT) And God seeth all that He hath done, and lo, very good; and there is an evening, and there is a morning--day the sixth.
Here is an excellent analysis of the Hebrew word yom:

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/yom_with_number.pdf
 

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read it. The author completely missed how the bible was defining 'yom' /day by missing the phrase ..."evening and morning" the first day etc. If he goes with yom as an indefinite period of time, then does he do the same for the words 'evening' and 'morning'? If he does then he's turning Scripture into poetry, a dumb habit of theological liberals.
 
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read it. The author completely missed how the bible was defining 'yom' /day by missing the phrase ..."evening and morning" the first day etc. If he goes with yom as an indefinite period of time, then does he do the same for the words 'evening' and 'morning'? If he does then he's turning Scripture into poetry, a dumb habit of theological liberals.
And here is an excellent explanation for that:

How Long an Evening & Morning

To quote one paragraph:

"Evening and morning" is an idiomatic expression in Semitic languages. Like all idioms, its meaning is nonliteral but clearly understood by native speakers. The phrase "evening and morning" can, like yom, denote a long and indefinite period. The Old Testament itself unambiguously uses the "evening and morning" phrase in just such a way. In Daniel 8 we read the account of Daniel's ram and goat vision and the interpretation given by Gabriel. The vision covers many years; some commentators believe the time has not yet been completed. Daniel 8:26 says, "The vision of the evenings and the mornings that have been given to you is true, but seal up the vision for it concerns the distant future" (RSV). In Hebrew manuscripts, "the evenings and mornings," is not in the plural but in the singular, identical to the expression we find in Genesis 1. Translated literally, the verse would red, "And the vision of the evening and the morning that has been given you" Here we have a clear indication from scriptural usage that this phrase does not demand a 24-hour-day interpretation and can refer to an indefinite epoch.
 
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I think he read it, but I think he said it (Genesis)was not to be taken literally!! (shaking my head)
 
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I hate to be so straight on this, but I must say that, if overwhelming scientific "evidence" is in conflict with the Word of God, then our modern science is built on shifting sand. Faulty evidence is worse that no evidence at all.
We know that human cloning and test tube babies are immoral acts, but where in the Bible do those conflict?

Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth—in a word, to know himself—so that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves (cf. Ex 33:18; Ps 27:8-9; 63:2-3; Jn 14:8; 1 Jn 3:2).
Fides et Ratio, Encyclical Letter, John Paul II, 14 September 1998

The Catholic Church has always taught that "no real disagreement can exist between the theologian and the scientist provided each keeps within his own limits. . . . If nevertheless there is a disagreement . . . it should be remembered that the sacred writers, or more truly ‘the Spirit of God who spoke through them, did not wish to teach men such truths (as the inner structure of visible objects) which do not help anyone to salvation’; and that, for this reason, rather than trying to provide a scientific exposition of nature, they sometimes describe and treat these matters either in a somewhat figurative language or as the common manner of speech those times required, and indeed still requires nowadays in everyday life, even amongst most learned people" (Leo XIII, Providentissimus Deus 18).

As the Catechism puts it, "Methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things the of the faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are" (CCC 159).
The Catholic Church has no fear of science or scientific discovery.
Adam, Eve, and Evolution | Catholic Answers
 
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Okay then... Any opinions about this?
Pope Francis was only repeating and reinforcing what the previous pope said 60 years ago. Yes, the RCC does not deny Science and so, has accepted evolution.
 

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Pope Francis was only repeating and reinforcing what the previous pope said 60 years ago. Yes, the RCC does not deny Science and so, has accepted evolution.
Does that make it right and in harmony with Gods word?

The bible does not contradict science only brings to light false science.

For the cause of Christ
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Okay then... Any opinions about this?
the pope has spokes people for a reason.
english is not his first language, and has gotten him into trouble before.

Either way, doesnt matter much.
the man is nothing more than a empty shell meant to serve a single purpose.

And soon he will not be able to go out into public, because what is within will be manifest for all to see.
 

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the pope has spokes people for a reason.
english is not his first language, and has gotten him into trouble before.

Either way, doesnt matter much.
the man is nothing more than a empty shell meant to serve a single purpose.

And soon he will not be able to go out into public, because what is within will be manifest for all to see.
The Pope is a man appointed by God to lead the Catholic Church and has great love in his heart for the common man and those that have been marginalized and disenfranchised. Love him or hate him he's certainly not an empty shell.
 

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The Pope is a man appointed by God to lead the Catholic Church and has great love in his heart for the common man and those that have been marginalized and disenfranchised. Love him or hate him he's certainly not an empty shell.
Roman Catholicism is the woman who rides the beast.

"The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

At the time that John was receiving the information above, the city that ruled over the kings of the earth was Rome.

"The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits"

Rome was literally built on and is famous for the "seven hills of Rome."

"The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls."

Purple and scarlet are the exact colors that Rome's bishops and cardinals wear:




The woman who rides the beast is that city that ruled over the kings of the earth and sits on seven hills and is dressed in purple and scarlet, is pointing us to Roman Catholicism and the Vatican as her headquarters. One of the future popes is going to play the part of the false prophet who will be performing those miracles, signs and wonders on behalf of the beast. So no, the pope is not a man appointed by God, i.e. not a Godly man. The institution of the Roman Catholic church will play the part of the woman who rides the beast, with one of her future popes as the false prophet.

Regardless of what the pope says, evolution is in complete contrast with God as the creator. He's is right in that, God does not have a magic wand and that because He can speak things into existence by speaking a word or a thought. Jesus said, "nothing is impossible with God." The pope denies this when he says that God had to use evolution as means of creation.

Scripture states that God created man from the dust of the earth and breathed life into him. Evolution says that mankind and everything else, initiated from a primordial pool and evolved into different things. Yet God's word states that He caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep and took one of his ribs and created woman.

God just spoke all things into existence by His mighty word. So the pope is right in that respect in that, God doesn't need a magic wand, He just speaks and it happens.
 
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I don't see where the Bible supports evolution or the big bang theory. God is Almighty and doesn't need a magic wand. Throughout Genesis chapter 1, God simply SAID.. and it was so.