Proof Gay/Lesbian Relations Are Making Us OK With Pedophilia?

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lil_christian

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that is a good point...conservative states do tend to have higher teen pregnancy rates. I wonder if that is due to a tendency to treat sex as taboo rather than an open conversation topic?
Or maybe it's because they're prolife and want to keep the baby...you have no idea how many pregnant teens get abortions. It's more than likely astonishing.
 
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1still_waters

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that is a good point...conservative states do tend to have higher teen pregnancy rates. I wonder if that is due to a tendency to treat sex as taboo rather than an open conversation topic?
No it's a sign of the greater overall symptom of when liberals changed cultural thinking about sex.
They teach sex outside of marriage is just fine.
After a generation of this teaching, it's no shock teen pregnancies are up BIG time as compared to when this wasn't the cultural belief.

Now that the cultural cat is outta the bag, it's hard to put it back in said bag.
So the liberals came up with "solutions" to remedy the problem they created.

Their solution?

Birth control and abortions for kids.

Of course red state parents don't believe in these solutions, so they still teach abstinence.

But since the cat is outta the bag, these lessons in absitence don't sink in.
Hence higher rates of pregnancy in red states.

Liberals NEVER want to go back far to see what caused all this, so they blame it on failure of red states to adopt liberal solutions to problems created by liberals.

Bottom line, the liberals created the problem.
 
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If homosexuality is no longer a mental illness according to psychologists then how long will it be before pedophelia is no longer an illness as well?
Sadly enough, that answer is already being debated and there is a movement to remove it from being a disorder in the DSM. I did my paper on this for my abnormal psychology class this semester and I'm not too happy about a lot of the new changes they are doing to the DSM as a whole. As a Christian, it's going to be very hard diagnosing with a DSM that has rejected pedophilia as a disorder. However, it is also of my understanding that a majority of the people in the psychiatric practices do not approve of this move by the people in the APA. Prayerfully though, they do not go through with THAT change.
 

Elizabeth619

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Why are liberals always to blame you know most of the people having pre marriage intercourse, and teen pregnancies, and just doing the opposite of what the bible say are mostly from red states right?
And most abortions and homosexual marriages are from the blue states. Guess what? No matter what state you live in you're still susceptible to sin.
Yes, the liberal ideology has a lot to do with it.
 

Nautilus

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No it's a sign of the greater overall symptom of when liberals changed cultural thinking about sex.
They teach sex outside of marriage is just fine.
After a generation of this teaching, it's no shock teen pregnancies are up BIG time as compared to when this wasn't the cultural belief.

Now that the cultural cat is outta the bag, it's hard to put it back in said bag.
So the liberals came up with "solutions" to remedy the problem they created.

Their solution?

Birth control and abortions for kids.

Of course red state parents don't believe in these solutions, so they still teach abstinence.

But since the cat is outta the bag, these lessons in absitence don't sink in.
Hence higher rates of pregnancy in red states.

Liberals NEVER want to go back far to see what caused all this, so they blame it on failure of red states to adopt liberal solutions to problems created by liberals.

Bottom line, the liberals created the problem.
So it's liberals fault that parents cant control their children? Sounds a lot like passing the buck. Parents have no one to blame but themselves for the failures of raising their children.
 

Elizabeth619

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So it's liberals fault that parents cant control their children? Sounds a lot like passing the buck. Parents have no one to blame but themselves for the failures of raising their children.
If a child is sexually active then I'd think they're old enough to know right from wrong.
You even said if you had children you'd hope they'd make the right decisions. Now you blame parents?

When I got pregnant I could blame no one but myself and my sons father. Wasn't my mothers fault. It was my decision.

Also, just because a person makes a bad decision. Even when it comes to pregnancy that does not make their parents failures. No one is perfect and people do mess up.

I'd NEVER tell my mother that i got pregnant because she failed as a parent.
 
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Im still trying to figure where this ties into me not being concerned if two teens make a decision to have sex though....
I think the word that was used was, Compassion. "Not concerned" This is how rabbit tails start...lol It's almost like making up your own truth as you go on.
 

JimJimmers

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Why are liberals always to blame you know most of the people having pre marriage intercourse, and teen pregnancies, and just doing the opposite of what the bible say are mostly from red states right?

This is a common logical fallacy, RAF. Being from a red state doesn't make you conservative. There is no state that is exclusively red. This is not to say that conservatives' children do not have teen pregnancies, of course. But you cannot calculate liberal vs. conservative teen birthrates using geographical boundaries.
 

Nautilus

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This is a common logical fallacy, RAF. Being from a red state doesn't make you conservative. There is no state that is exclusively red. This is not to say that conservatives' children do not have teen pregnancies, of course. But you cannot calculate liberal vs. conservative teen birthrates using geographical boundaries.
Agreed, but it is easily calculateable to see that red states have more pregnancies vs blue states. What that means is left to interpretation.
 
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A lesbian adult had lesbian sexual relations with a 14-year-old girl.
The lesbian adult is facing felony charges, but many are saying the charges should be dropped.

Many claim that acceptance of gay/lesbian relations/marriage will lead to cultural acceptance of pedophilia.
People in the pro-LGBT community claim such assertions are paranoid propaganda.

Does this story back up concerns/claims that acceptance of gay/lesbian/LGBT activities/marriage will lead to cultural acceptance of pedophilia?

If it's ok in this lesbian context, what's to stop it being accepted if it was an adult male and a 14-year-old boy, or adult male and 14-year-old girl?

Link-->WPEC-TV CBS12 News :: News - Top Stories - Kate Hunt's mother speaks out about felony charges
Thanks for standing against this evil, praise JESUS
 
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1still_waters

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Agreed, but it is easily calculateable to see that red states have more pregnancies vs blue states. What that means is left to interpretation.
We wouldn't be here if liberals would have just kept the cat in the bag in the 1960s.
 

Nautilus

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Elizabeth619

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You act as if you didnt know a single high school senior who dated an underclassmen...youre certainly stretching here to prove your point.
Dating does not always mean a sexual relationship. Just because some high school students have been having intercourse for years doesn't mean it is moral or acceptable.

Just because some may find it "ok" for such things to go on doesn't mean God is up in Heaven giving it a thumbs up. What really matters is what He thinks. How we think it should be according to the world is irrelevant when it comes to God.
 
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ReinItIn

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The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a pedophile and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States that works to abolish age of consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors. and for the release of all men who have been jailed for sexual contacts with minors that did not involve coercion. They have been associated with New York City Gay Pride March,Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD),National Gay and Lesbian Task Force ,Gay Liberation Front. There are many gay an lesbian groups that lift there voice against the support of pedophile. But, at the same time many key gay activists work on NAMBA projects. Bill Andriette, journalist. He joined NAMBLA at the age of 15 and edited the NAMBLA Bulletin for six years.[34]
Samuel R. Delany, professor and author. In extended interviews about his novel Hogg in 2004 he stated he supported a group like NAMBLA because "abuse is fostered by the secrecy itself and lack of social policing". He expounded that "for thousands of years, relations we assume are abusive by definition (child marriages, slavery, child labor, etc.) were the social and legal norm, institutional and ubiquitous [..] behavior that we [today] find wholly unacceptable—flogging slaves, wife beating, and child beating (in the family, in the school, and at the factory)—was recommended by experts and clergymen as the most efficient and least disruptive way to maintain [social] order. All of these institutions changed, nevertheless, only when they were no longer economically feasible or beneficial to the greater society.[35]
Allen Ginsberg was a defender of NAMBLA and a member.[36]
Harry Hay, leader of the LGBT rights movement, supported the inclusion of NAMBLA in gay-pride events.[25]
David Thorstad, historian of the gay rights movement, founding member[37]

They have been gaining ground in law suits and working to lower the age of consent.

Citing cases in which NAMBLA members have been convicted of sexual offenses against children, Larry Frisoli, the attorney representing the Curleys, argued that it is a "training ground" for adults who wish to seduce children, in which men exchange strategies on how to find and groom child sex partners. Frisoli also claimed that NAMBLA has sold at its website what he called "The Rape and Escape Manual" that detailed how to avoid being caught and prosecuted.[31] The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) stepped in to defend NAMBLA as a free speech matter and won a dismissal based on the fact that NAMBLA is organized as an unincorporated association, not a corporation. John Reinstein, the director of the ACLU Massachusetts, said that although NAMBLA "may extol conduct which is currently illegal", there was nothing on its website that "advocated or incited the commission of any illegal acts, including murder or rape".[32]

The Curleys continued the suit as a wrongful death action against individual NAMBLA members, some of whom were active in the group's leadership. The targets of the wrongful death suits included David Thorstad, a co-founder of NAMBLA. The Curleys alleged that Jaynes and Sicari, who were convicted of the rape and murder of their son, were members.[citation needed] The lawsuit was dropped in April 2008 after a judge ruled that a key witness was not competent to testify.[33]

So if your forum post is A question, I would say the embrace of Homosexual life styles is a conditioning on the path to our society degrading to A point of legal forced acceptance of pedophile.
 
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sexually active teenagers... going back to biblical times I see
 
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1still_waters

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You act as if you didnt know a single high school senior who dated an underclassmen...youre certainly stretching here to prove your point.
Adult and minor.
And my experience of knowing an adult who dated a minor has nothing at all to do with this being moral or immoral.
 
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souljahblyndslym

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You act as if you didnt know a single high school senior who dated an underclassmen...youre certainly stretching here to prove your point.
They started dating after the girl was 18 and the minor is 14 no way out of it because a minor cant give consent to sex under 16 in florida eitha way dating and sex are 2 diff areas. Tho a lot of ppl twist it into its because she "gay"
 
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souljahblyndslym

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In the U.S., most states have a "Romeo & Juliet Law."
This kind of law states that if 2 really young people are fairly close in age,
then the normal "age of consent" laws don't apply.
(Meaning the older one cannot be prosecuted for statutory rape.)

I think this law is different in each state,
and I have no idea if other countries have similar laws.

The morality of it all is another matter,
I just wanted to mention the normal legal aspects.
Romeo and Juliet law doesn't apply to 14 year olds off the top of my head the age is 16 for us states
 
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And its not to point out to say, Gay relationship is more wrong then any other sexual immorality. May it be an under age relationship of any kind. I believe whats being said is this, if we are to come to excepting one, how soon would the lack of morality in this area may open the door to a lack of morality in another area which involves sex? Let's look back to the 60's. The whole Free Love movement. Ok, maybe it's just me. But when do loving someone constitute having sex?
And that is basically the lynchpin to a lot of problems we are all facing today. It's not even limited to sexual sin. In my limited experience, when I choose to disobey God, things go south pretty quickly. One sin leads to another, and it even jumps from person to person, soon everyone is buried under a mountain of sin and everyone is reaping the consequences for it. It seems to possibly stem from the fact that people underestimate the severity of sin, like we've all forgotten that the world became corrupted because Adam and Eve ate from a tree God told them not to, and if you go back further, because of just one lie, everything became corrupted. I've wondered if the essence of sin is pretty much to disobey God, I've also wondered that if Adam or Eve had simply asked for permission to eat from that tree, if God would have said yes. I guess that's pointless speculation though.

Jesus instructed us on how to deal with sin in the church in Matthew 18:15-17, but I have never seen this happen.
Paul outlines the effect of sin on the whole community and how to deal with it in 1 Corinthians 5, again, not something I have seen happen, or done myself. Of course maybe not all churches are like the ones I've been to, but if I were a betting man I would say most are. Children of God sitting next to children of satan masquerading as Christians, and worshiping with them. I can say this because I was one of them at one point in my life. I was confirmed and baptized while not believing for a second in God, simply because it was what my parents wanted. Looking back on those days, I feel pretty disgusted with myself that I mocked God like that.

Now I feel like I've gotten pretty far afield of the topic here. Still_waters, are you asking this question to make us think, or because you are looking for an answer? I ask because I'm curious about your own opinion. But yeah, it isn't a new concept, the idea of this "slippery slope". When I read that it only reminds me of how our entire justice system is pretty backwards. Like how police are allowed to lie, to intimidate, to threaten, all in order to extract a confession for "justice". Is this what people call a double standard?