Results of poll on mass shootings

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What is the primary cause of mass shootings in the US

  • Inadequate mental health care and/or screening

    Votes: 9 36.0%
  • Inadequate Gun Control laws and/or enforcement of Gun Control laws

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • Other issues - please expound

    Votes: 12 48.0%

  • Total voters
    25
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kaylagrl

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#21
Before my time in this country but didn't Bill Clinton ban these weapons for a period of time? I believe there was a study done that showed banning them made no difference. Anyone know about this?
 

hornetguy

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Jan 18, 2016
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#22
I support the Second Amendment but never have considered supporting the NRA. I am not against anyone owning a gun even though I myself don't own one. I fired off enough rounds with my M16 while I was enlisted in the army so I'm all set in that regard.
Out of curiosity..... do any of you know what all the NRA really does? Or is it simply some big lobby group that wants to arm everyone, including schoolchildren with as many guns as possible?
 

tourist

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Mar 13, 2014
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#23
Out of curiosity..... do any of you know what all the NRA really does? Or is it simply some big lobby group that wants to arm everyone, including schoolchildren with as many guns as possible?
I'm not really sure but I would surmise that the NRA actively promotes programs that seek to protect the right of citizens to bear arms. I'm sure that they have a huge lobby in Washington, D.C. also to pressure Congress not to weaken these rights, especially with proposals that seek to curb violence by prohibiting certain weapons, accessories and ammunition but in reality will do nothing to reduce gun violence.

There are many laws already on the books that do not get enforced. The thing is that there are millions illegal weapons already in circulation and those that are evil, violent or mentally ill don't care about these laws. All gun laws do is impede law abiding citizens from protecting themselves and their family from those that would want to do them harm.

Passage of gun control laws are symbolic at best and do little or nothing to address the problem of gun violence. Laws that are already in effect should be enforced.
 

hornetguy

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Jan 18, 2016
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#24
I'm not really sure but I would surmise that the NRA actively promotes programs that seek to protect the right of citizens to bear arms. I'm sure that they have a huge lobby in Washington, D.C. also to pressure Congress not to weaken these rights, especially with proposals that seek to curb violence by prohibiting certain weapons, accessories and ammunition but in reality will do nothing to reduce gun violence.

There are many laws already on the books that do not get enforced. The thing is that there are millions illegal weapons already in circulation and those that are evil, violent or mentally ill don't care about these laws. All gun laws do is impede law abiding citizens from protecting themselves and their family from those that would want to do them harm.

Passage of gun control laws are symbolic at best and do little or nothing to address the problem of gun violence. Laws that are already in effect should be enforced.
Yes, that is true.

I just grow weary of the NRA being portrayed as some blood-thirsty organization that wants free guns for everyone, regardless of mental/legal status.

The NRA does more gun safety training than any other organization I've heard of. It is primarily an organization of normal, everyday Americans, from EVERY walk of life, and every racial background, that is interested in preserving Americans' rights to keep and bear arms, just as the Constitution guarantees.
 

Nehemiah6

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Jul 18, 2017
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#25
I just grow weary of the NRA being portrayed as some blood-thirsty organization that wants free guns for everyone, regardless of mental/legal status.
The Democrats, Left-Liberals, Globalists, and NWO proponents always need scapegoats. Therefore the NRA and Mr. Trump are their favorite whipping boys. But no one talks about the Black Muslims and the "Kill Whitey" slogan that has been bandied about.

There have been mass shootings in schools since 1940. Yet it seems that no one was able to sit down and design a practical plan to prevent these killings. Drug abuse has been involved in many instances. But there is also a spiritual component which nobody is talking about. This Florida teenager claimed that he heard voices urging him to kill. So is anyone talking about demons and their relationship not only to these mass killings, but all the killings and atrocities of the Jihadists, as well as genocides across the world?
 

Pemican

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Sep 27, 2014
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#26
This passage came to mind.

Rom 3:10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;
Rom 3:12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."
Rom 3:13 "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING," "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS";
Rom 3:14 "WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS";
Rom 3:15 "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD,
Rom 3:16 DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS,
Rom 3:17 AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN."
Rom 3:18 "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."
 

jameen

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Feb 5, 2018
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#27
Even guns will be prohibited in the US, a crazy man can kill a lot with a knife like in China.

Gun usage can also be used to fight terror, tyranny, enemy invasion but not because you want to harm your personal enemy instead of asking the right authorities to settle your dispute.
 
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#28
Failed protocol is part of the problem because this recent Shooter had been reported to the FBI and they did nothing.
Same situation with Omar Mateen.
I think a handgun for personal defense is reasonable but I see no reason why anyone needs military grade weapons capable of murdering Mass numbers of people and seconds. After the Las Vegas shooting most people agreed that bump stocks should be banned but crickets from Congress
no civilian has access to military grade weapons.
rifles with aesthetic upgrades have nothing to do with how the weapon and ammo perform. It is only a look to draw buyers. "marketing"

Every rifle and handgun has a serial number.

I actually watched a little of the discussion with the NRA rep. and a person i believe to be a sheriff or police officer there to take questions from the audience.
And in all my life ive never seen such a coward with a uniform on. The supposed police officer was nothing more than a traitor to the Office he swore to uphold.
He sat there and incited the naivety of the youth and encouraged them in their lack of knowledge. Promoting lies on the graves of the recently slain is one of the most disgusting behaviors ive seen strewn about the media. The lack of respect for the dear departed and their families is far from Christ Like.

Everyone needs to wake up and Face the reality that the Law enforcement agencies duly charged to investigate and deter a possible threat to Life are now responsible for Not intervening.
And the coward of an officer who had the audacity to sit there and put forth the pretense of washing his hands like pilate will be dealt with swiftly.
 
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#29
Before my time in this country but didn't Bill Clinton ban these weapons for a period of time? I believe there was a study done that showed banning them made no difference. Anyone know about this?
Yes you're right. From what I understand, Clinton passed a law that stopped the sales of fully-automatic rifles (machine-guns). From then on, you could only purchase a fully automatic weapon with special permission from the ATF (Bureau of Alchool, TObacco and FIrearms). That is the main reason why the AR-15 is only semi-automatic (fires only one shot per pull of the trigger until its empty). That's also why Trump wants to ban bump-stocks because they make a semi-automatic rifle act like a machine gun.
 

Oncefallen

Idiot in Chief
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Jan 15, 2011
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#30
Yes you're right. From what I understand, Clinton passed a law that stopped the sales of fully-automatic rifles (machine-guns). From then on, you could only purchase a fully automatic weapon with special permission from the ATF (Bureau of Alchool, TObacco and FIrearms). That is the main reason why the AR-15 is only semi-automatic (fires only one shot per pull of the trigger until its empty). That's also why Trump wants to ban bump-stocks because they make a semi-automatic rifle act like a machine gun.
You need to brush up on the history of gun control laws in the US.

The National Firearms Act enacted in 1934 although it did not outlaw private ownership of fully automatic weapons, it dictated a strict procedure for that ownership to take place and that law has stood since. By far the majority of persons aren't about to go through the lengthy (and expensive) process dictated by the BATF. This is the same law that restricted the private ownership of suppressors (silencers), hand grenades and explosives and set minimum legal lengths for shotgun and rifle barrels.

The bill that Clinton signed in 1994 was an "assault weapons" ban that had a sunset clause that expired in 2004 under the
Bush administration.

Obama was incapable (even when the Dems owned the House and Senate) of rallying the support to enact a similar bill.
 

Oncefallen

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#32
I stand corrected. :) (sorry)
Certainly no apology needed. I've been dealing with the gun rights issue for darned near 30 years and I'm purt near sure you haven't been for nearly as long.
 

Deade

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Dec 17, 2017
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#33
Yes, that is true.

I just grow weary of the NRA being portrayed as some blood-thirsty organization that wants free guns for everyone, regardless of mental/legal status.

The NRA does more gun safety training than any other organization I've heard of. It is primarily an organization of normal, everyday Americans, from EVERY walk of life, and every racial background, that is interested in preserving Americans' rights to keep and bear arms, just as the Constitution guarantees.

Well hornetguy, the things you list are not the only things the NRA does. For years violent criminals have been caught with guns and traded information to get the charges dropped or reduced. NRA fights that with all they are worth. Liberal cities like NYC and Chicago constantly let criminals off so they can use underground information. NRA has called for mandated sentences for felons convicted of a crime with a gun. But the politicians have turned a deaf ear. I could go on and on, but you should have an idea that we are fighting politics.

We at the NRA also believe that if a dictator were to try to overtake our country, they would have a hard time with all the entrenched guns. We feel the an armed militia detailed in 2nd Amendment is not like our National Guard. Just look at how hard it would be for a dictator to take control of our country, with an armed population. Leftist politicians say it is not pertinent anymore with our jet planes, tanks, etc. They may be right, maybe we are a little unrealistic. I have a saying, I imagine someone has said it before, but I don't know of it. It says: You can't rule an unruly people. If I were a dictator, I would be very careful how far I pushed an armed citizenry. We remember Hitler was voted in during an economic upheaval that gave him full dictatorial powers. The first thing he did, was take away all the guns. It could happen anywhere. My take anyway....
:cool:
 
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Well hornetguy, the things you list are not the only things the NRA does. For years violent criminals have been caught with guns and traded information to get the charges dropped or reduced. NRA fights that with all they are worth. Liberal cities like NYC and Chicago constantly let criminals off so they can use underground information. NRA has called for mandated sentences for felons convicted of a crime with a gun. But the politicians have turned a deaf ear. I could go on and on, but you should have an idea that we are fighting politics.

We at the NRA also believe that if a dictator were to try to overtake our country, they would have a hard time with all the entrenched guns. We feel the an armed militia detailed in 2nd Amendment is not like our National Guard. Just look at how hard it would be for a dictator to take control of our country, with an armed population. Leftist politicians say it is not pertinent anymore with our jet planes, tanks, etc. They may be right, maybe we are a little unrealistic. I have a saying, I imagine someone has said it before, but I don't know of it. It says: You can't rule an unruly people. If I were a dictator, I would be very careful how far I pushed an armed citizenry. We remember Hitler was voted in during an economic upheaval that gave him full dictatorial powers. The first thing he did, was take away all the guns. It could happen anywhere. My take anyway....
:cool:
i agree, and certain boundaries have already been over stepped in the judicial branch that still need to be remedied so that in the future that branch will not allow bribery into the courts..
severe consequences are going to be handed to quite a few supreme court justices.
 

AdolfHipster

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Jan 15, 2018
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#35
I will be purchasing a tactical nuke
Constitutional rights and all
But didn't you say you're for handguns?

I think a handgun for personal defense is reasonable...
So can't I use the same strawman that you used? Since you think handguns are reasonable, I'll purchase a tactical nuke... you clearly believe in the 2nd amendment. :)
 

AdolfHipster

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Jan 15, 2018
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#36
Yes, that is true.

I just grow weary of the NRA being portrayed as some blood-thirsty organization that wants free guns for everyone, regardless of mental/legal status.

The NRA does more gun safety training than any other organization I've heard of. It is primarily an organization of normal, everyday Americans, from EVERY walk of life, and every racial background, that is interested in preserving Americans' rights to keep and bear arms, just as the Constitution guarantees.
Agreed, the NRA does a lot of other great things in addition to help preserve the 2nd amendment. I want to preserve my right to look at Dana Loesch...

 

Desdichado

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Feb 9, 2014
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#37
Yyyyep. I just think back to Columbine. That happened during the Clinton AWB and would've been one of the worst massacres on US soil if that bomb of theirs went off.

That's the thing though... Let's say they do another ban on "assault rifles" (as opposed to tickling rifles), it only takes 3 things to convert a handgun (glock) from a semi-auto to full-auto. If someone can build an AR-15, then modifying a handgun to be full-auto will be a breeze. And lets pretend the assault rifle ban stops a mass murderer from getting an AR-15, why wouldn't the gunman use an alternative weapon? Maybe make a couple of full-auto glocks, extra clips, and he can mass kill people quite easily.

This is a difficult problem to address because I too don't like these mass killings but I also don't want people's constitutional rights infringed upon.
 

Desdichado

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Feb 9, 2014
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#38
She is probably the best looking woman in politics...probably. I've always been more of a brunette man to be fair.

Agreed, the NRA does a lot of other great things in addition to help preserve the 2nd amendment. I want to preserve my right to look at Dana Loesch...

 

Desdichado

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Feb 9, 2014
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#39
As for the OP, I think a lot of the problems identified are only being discussed because they are simplistic and "easy" solutions to a problem.

Not saying we can't do anything in the immediate, but it seems the major problem is cultural. Violence has a dark, somewhat sexual allure in film and television. Boys are growing up without proper examples of civilized masculinity. The news media makes us more prone to being inappropriately tense and always at odds with boogeymen.

In short, the mass shooting phenomenon is the result of a disgusting, long-brewed concoction. Mitigating these events will take a long moral course correction beyond the political realm.

But politicians get their bread and butter by promising immediate solutions without presenting trade-offs. And people buy into it because it provides a comfortable release. That's the game as it stands.