RUSSIA FLATENS RAQQA

[crossnote]

Massive Russian blanket air bombardment is flattening Raqqa

Russia has launched a merciless blanket air campaign, backed by Kalibr cruise missiles fired from the Caspian and Mediterranean Seas, for the object of wiping the Islamic State’s Syrian center of Raqqa off the map, debkafile’s military sources report.
Western and Middle East sources tracking the campaign since Friday, Nov. 20, report that at least 75 air sorties have been conducted and are systematically razing the town of 200,000 inhabitants 160km east of Aleppo, district by district, irrespective of civilian town dwellers.
Moscow wants the entire Middle East and Muslim world to see the price exacted for launching a terrorist attack on Russia after the downing of the Metrojet airliner that killed 224 people over Egyptian Sinai on Oct. 31. Russian bombers and cruise missiles rained death and destruction on the ISIS administration center after the jihadists claimed responsibility for that disaster and published photos of a soft drink can claimed to have been rigged as a bomb for blowing the plane up.

When the Russians are done, the town will be a pile of rubble, an intelligence source told debkafile.

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Obama, take a lesson on how to win wars and influence people.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Wishful thinking, but this war is far from over, even if the Islamic State is scattered. I do keep getting the feeling the past few days though that al-Baghdadi will soon perish. How soon though? Only God knows.

 

[wisebeardman]

Wishful thinking, but this war is far from over, even if the Islamic State is scattered. I do keep getting the feeling the past few days though that al-Baghdadi will soon perish. How soon though? Only God knows.

yeah but those jihadis are like hydra in the capt america films, cut off one two more take its place.

 

[gb9]

while I cannot condone merciless behavior, putin acted like a leader and talked like one in his speech about the plane crash. our " leader" could take lessons. if he ever learned anything new, which based on the same tired, predictable response to everything, he does not.

 

[Willie-T]

I wasn't aware we even HAD a leader.

 

[p_rehbein]

while I cannot condone merciless behavior, putin acted like a leader and talked like one in his speech about the plane crash. our " leader" could take lessons. if he ever learned anything new, which based on the same tired, predictable response to everything, he does not.

Therein lies the problem........in todays world, Americans are not willing to fight wars to WIN. All one has to do is compare how we fought the two WW's and how we now conduct ourselves/Military during a "conflict."

There is a simple solution to winning a war:

1) Destroy the enemies ability to make war
2) Destroy the enemies will to make war

This is the ONLY way to win a war. Yes, it is nasty, bloody, and innocent people die along with the enemy, but that is how one wins a war. In my opinion, if our President, Congress, and people are not willing to fight a war to WIN the WAR, then do not EVER commit our Military to ANY conflict where they must act in a Politically Correct way.

War is HELL! It is not pretty, nice, kind, compassionate, or loving. The purpose of war is to DESTROY the enemy!

 

[PeterJens]

War never works wiping out people.
Look at vietnam, cambodia. The truth is life is about trade and basic requirements of life.

ISIS want polarisation, using psychopaths to cause a back lash that will generate more of a reaction until all is chaos and death.

We have to fight smart.

1. Put Islam on trial, its philosophy and history
2. Put the human condition on trial and how democracy, love, support works
3. Bring people together on basic human empathetic realities and the basics of life.

ISIS can only work on the basis they are the righteous and everyone else is evil. To fulfill this dream they want to promote the end of the world, using suicide attacks. But this shows they have no real strength other than this polarised view.

If you become their wish, they win, rather than expose them as mass murderers with an agenda to turn others into psychopaths, so they can point and say, we are the victims rather than the generators of the problem.

Terrorists never win because they have military power, but because they stop the normal functioning of society. The counter is elimination of the terrorist cells, and accepting the loss as part of the risk of having a healthy society.
We win by believing and living with love, no matter how others behave. We also have to bring to justice murderers and the insane, but not become that ourselves.

 

[PennEd]

War never works wiping out people.
Look at vietnam, cambodia. The truth is life is about trade and basic requirements of life.

ISIS want polarisation, using psychopaths to cause a back lash that will generate more of a reaction until all is chaos and death.

We have to fight smart.

1. Put Islam on trial, its philosophy and history
2. Put the human condition on trial and how democracy, love, support works
3. Bring people together on basic human empathetic realities and the basics of life.

ISIS can only work on the basis they are the righteous and everyone else is evil. To fulfill this dream they want to promote the end of the world, using suicide attacks. But this shows they have no real strength other than this polarised view.

If you become their wish, they win, rather than expose them as mass murderers with an agenda to turn others into psychopaths, so they can point and say, we are the victims rather than the generators of the problem.

Terrorists never win because they have military power, but because they stop the normal functioning of society. The counter is elimination of the terrorist cells, and accepting the loss as part of the risk of having a healthy society.
We win by believing and living with love, no matter how others behave. We also have to bring to justice murderers and the insane, but not become that ourselves.

Brother, your desire for to love your enemies is commendable, and as Christians we certainly should that, but from a factual, secular perspective, war has worked to stop an enemy or evil. You can just ask Germany or Japan if loving them would have stopped the death camps or systematic murder of Chinese, and subjugation of millions.

 

[p_rehbein]

War never works wiping out people.
Look at vietnam, cambodia. The truth is life is about trade and basic requirements of life.

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Do you know anything about the Vietnam Conflict? Remember, it was NEVER declared a war! The Military WAS NOT allowed to DESTROY the enemy. Study up on how they were handcuffed by Washington. Had we been ALLOWED to DESTROY the enemy, Vietnam would have been a victory for us and not a horrific loss.

We were never officially at war with Cambodia, so don't know what you are aiming for there.

With Vietnam, Political Correctness reared it's ugly head...........do you remember?

"Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you bomb today?"

 

[PeterJens]

Brother, your desire for to love your enemies is commendable, and as Christians we certainly should that, but from a factual, secular perspective, war has worked to stop an enemy or evil. You can just ask Germany or Japan if loving them would have stopped the death camps or systematic murder of Chinese, and subjugation of millions.

I do not think the ISIS is at the level of Hitler and the Nazis. Their victories appear to have been through fear and terror combined with suicide bombers.

The problem is taking them on at a serious military threat over states their success, gives them great credence than they deserve. In Afghanistan is the vast country with massive open spaces, means road side bombs works as they are cheap and simple to plant but costs vast amounts to stop. This favours the terrorist over the traditional army. This is the war you are walking into in Syria.

The other problem is the same as aghanistan, you may win the military fight, but not change everybodies life, because you cannot change the background economic problems or failures. It is so bad, central government is actually irrelevant to local villages, because if offers nothing. The cost is prohibitive to patrol and keep peace over vast areas of desert, so things are never resolved, just bounded by focused areas of power.

The only solution is economic and philosophical. That is my point, pure and simple.

 

[crossnote]

I do not think the ISIS is at the level of Hitler and the Nazis. Their victories appear to have been through fear and terror combined with suicide bombers.

The problem is taking them on at a serious military threat over states their success, gives them great credence than they deserve. In Afghanistan is the vast country with massive open spaces, means road side bombs works as they are cheap and simple to plant but costs vast amounts to stop. This favours the terrorist over the traditional army. This is the war you are walking into in Syria.

The other problem is the same as aghanistan, you may win the military fight, but not change everybodies life, because you cannot change the background economic problems or failures. It is so bad, central government is actually irrelevant to local villages, because if offers nothing. The cost is prohibitive to patrol and keep peace over vast areas of desert, so things are never resolved, just bounded by focused areas of power.

The only solution is economic and philosophical. That is my point, pure and simple.

Economical and Philosophical? Please elaborate ...in brief.

 

[crossnote]

Do you know anything about the Vietnam Conflict? Remember, it was NEVER declared a war! The Military WAS NOT allowed to DESTROY the enemy. Study up on how they were handcuffed by Washington. Had we been ALLOWED to DESTROY the enemy, Vietnam would have been a victory for us and not a horrific loss.

We were never officially at war with Cambodia, so don't know what you are aiming for there.

With Vietnam, Political Correctness reared it's ugly head...........do you remember?

"Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you bomb today?"

I remember, "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh, North Vietnam is gonna win".

 

[PeterJens]

Economical and Philosophical? Please elaborate ...in brief.

Economic. To change a society you need to get them to buy into the social structure and see the benefits of being part of the community, paying taxes, gaining benefits from local provision of schools, electricity, heating, medical services etc.

Philosophical. Valuing individuals who they meet everyday, and working together as a team for the common good.
In tribal communities, it comes down to families and providing support to your group over any other group, whether legal or otherwise. You cannot run a society this way, because nothing gets done in a structured controlled way, money just flows into the relatives of the person who holds the money and nothing changes.

A classic problem is training people abroad to go home and raise the economic society at home becomes, train the people abroad where they stay because the benefits are better and they never return home.

Civic government. A simple problem is ownership rights of land, property etc. Without a land registry, simple disputes cannot be resolved and one group can steal things from another without any objective reference point. If you can bribe every authority, then it becomes worthless, and it is just the power of each war lord that matters.

 

[psalm6819]

Economic. To change a society you need to get them to buy into the social structure and see the benefits of being part of the community, paying taxes, gaining benefits from local provision of schools, electricity, heating, medical services etc.

Philosophical. Valuing individuals who they meet everyday, and working together as a team for the common good.
In tribal communities, it comes down to families and providing support to your group over any other group, whether legal or otherwise. You cannot run a society this way, because nothing gets done in a structured controlled way, money just flows into the relatives of the person who holds the money and nothing changes.

A classic problem is training people abroad to go home and raise the economic society at home becomes, train the people abroad where they stay because the benefits are better and they never return home.

Civic government. A simple problem is ownership rights of land, property etc. Without a land registry, simple disputes cannot be resolved and one group can steal things from another without any objective reference point. If you can bribe every authority, then it becomes worthless, and it is just the power of each war lord that matters.

Hate to burst your bubble but you can't legislate or educate evil out of the human heart

only one way-His way-one heart at a time

 

[crossnote]

Economic. To change a society you need to get them to buy into the social structure and see the benefits of being part of the community, paying taxes, gaining benefits from local provision of schools, electricity, heating, medical services etc.

Philosophical. Valuing individuals who they meet everyday, and working together as a team for the common good.
In tribal communities, it comes down to families and providing support to your group over any other group, whether legal or otherwise. You cannot run a society this way, because nothing gets done in a structured controlled way, money just flows into the relatives of the person who holds the money and nothing changes.

A classic problem is training people abroad to go home and raise the economic society at home becomes, train the people abroad where they stay because the benefits are better and they never return home.

Civic government. A simple problem is ownership rights of land, property etc. Without a land registry, simple disputes cannot be resolved and one group can steal things from another without any objective reference point. If you can bribe every authority, then it becomes worthless, and it is just the power of each war lord that matters.

So you think they are going to drop their Sharia for that? That's idealistic.

 

[vic1980]

Saudi Arabia wealth is used to acquire weapons at home and finance fundamentalist movements abroad which cause havoc in distant societies, transforming thee native people of the land to convert or be killed in order to continue onward with there goal in creating more Wahhabism troops.

I don't think , wait let me be more clearer on this ,i don't believe bombing areas in Syria or Iraq will stop this form of movement. There's a mindset behind this movement, and it strictly follow's Islam to the letter.

Shalom

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

be careful what you cheer for...if the debka article is accurate...obliterating a population of 200,000 because some of them are terrorists likely qualifies as a crime against humanity...

 

[crossnote]

be careful what you cheer for...if the debka article is accurate...obliterating a population of 200,000 because some of them are terrorists likely qualifies as a crime against humanity...

kinda like Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

 

[Jesus4Me]

while I cannot condone merciless behavior, putin acted like a leader and talked like one in his speech about the plane crash. our " leader" could take lessons. if he ever learned anything new, which based on the same tired, predictable response to everything, he does not.

He has learned somethings: how to lie with frequency, that e an do whatever he likes & congress won't say a word or do 1 thing. His birth certificate listed Africaas his birthplace, which he lived that citizenship for many years (though the term Africa on a birth certificate didn't start being used until years later. He lied to congress when asked if he'd ever Ben known by another name. Check out (Google) Barry Soto.
He openly admits that part of money sent to Iran will end up on terrorist's hands. Doesn't giving our enemies $ to attack our military & us constitute the breaking of his oath "to protect & defend the constitution from enemies foreign & domestic". He rides roughshod over the constitution almost weekl! Has Abe Sen. even 1 congressperson start impeachment & treason charges?

 

[maxwel]

War never works wiping out people.
Look at vietnam, cambodia. The truth is life is about trade and basic requirements of life.

ISIS want polarisation, using psychopaths to cause a back lash that will generate more of a reaction until all is chaos and death.

We have to fight smart.

1. Put Islam on trial, its philosophy and history
2. Put the human condition on trial and how democracy, love, support works
3. Bring people together on basic human empathetic realities and the basics of life.

ISIS can only work on the basis they are the righteous and everyone else is evil. To fulfill this dream they want to promote the end of the world, using suicide attacks. But this shows they have no real strength other than this polarised view.

If you become their wish, they win, rather than expose them as mass murderers with an agenda to turn others into psychopaths, so they can point and say, we are the victims rather than the generators of the problem.

Terrorists never win because they have military power, but because they stop the normal functioning of society. The counter is elimination of the terrorist cells, and accepting the loss as part of the risk of having a healthy society.
We win by believing and living with love, no matter how others behave. We also have to bring to justice murderers and the insane, but not become that ourselves.

I would completely agree with all your ideas IF I expected other humans to listen to reason.

But... I do not.

: )