I find that interesting, wonder if Israel will take up the offer?
Saudi Arabia Gives Israel Clear Skies to Attack Iranian Nuke Sites | Fox News
Saudi Arabia Gives Israel Clear Skies to Attack Iranian Nuke Sites | Fox News
Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuke sites
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K
Saw the article in the news this morning, and it's new news to me. 
Yes this article is old, but it shows the tensions that will always be between those two countries.
The bible shows in the OT that when Babylon of the end times is destroyed it is destroyed by the Medes (Iran), and those places that are mentioned within association with Babylon in those chapters are all located in Saudi Arabia. Yet even though the OT prophecies are clear some will still want to say America or the Vatican is Babylon, but both have issues that do not fit all the descriptions.
K
The fall of the OT Babylon by the Persian empire has already been fulfilled, so that is old news too. Mystery Babylon's fall in the book of Revelation speaks of a world wide global event....you'll know it when you see it.
Mystery Babylon's fall in the book of Revelation speaks of a world wide global event....you'll know it when you see it.
No, not all the OT prophecies have been fulfilled !!!
There are those that speak of the end times, and some of them are on daughter of or Mystery Babylon.
The Babylon of the past was never in the southwest part of Saudi Arabia, it only possessed a very small northern corner of the country. The places mentioned in the OT prophecies of Isaiah 21 and such are not in that section, as they all line up along western portion of Saudi Arabia along the Red Sea.
Two descriptions given for Mystery Babylon is they will sell/trade children (sex trade, and barging), and they will behead Jews and Christians. Who do you see now days that does both ?
I didn't say ALL OT prophecies have been fulfilled, just the one you mentioned earlier in the fall of the OT Babylon by the Persians and Medes. The Lord said the physical OT Babylon would be desolate forever.
Jeremiah 51:60-62[SUP]60 [/SUP]So Jeremiah wrote in a book all the evil that should come upon Babylon, even all these words that are written against Babylon.
[SUP]61 [/SUP]And Jeremiah said to Seraiah, When thou comest to Babylon, and shalt see, and shalt read all these words;
[SUP]62 [/SUP]Then shalt thou say, O Lord, thou hast spoken against this place, to cut it off, that none shall remain in it, neither man nor beast, but that it shall be desolate for ever.
Mystery, Babylon the great is a world wide global system, when it is judged, the whole world falls with it....
Revelation 16:18-20
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Jeremiah 51:60-62[SUP]60 [/SUP]So Jeremiah wrote in a book all the evil that should come upon Babylon, even all these words that are written against Babylon.
[SUP]61 [/SUP]And Jeremiah said to Seraiah, When thou comest to Babylon, and shalt see, and shalt read all these words;
[SUP]62 [/SUP]Then shalt thou say, O Lord, thou hast spoken against this place, to cut it off, that none shall remain in it, neither man nor beast, but that it shall be desolate for ever.
Mystery, Babylon the great is a world wide global system, when it is judged, the whole world falls with it....
Revelation 16:18-20
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
V
I didn't say ALL OT prophecies have been fulfilled, just the one you mentioned earlier in the fall of the OT Babylon by the Persians and Medes. The Lord said the physical OT Babylon would be desolate forever.
It is the Iraqi city of al-Hillah.
He did indeed. But it never has been "desolate forever." It has remained at least partially habitated, though for many, many centuries it was little more than a sheep village. Nonetheless, people live there, food grows there, animals thrive there. The prophecy of Jeremiah is not yet fulfilled.
It is the Iraqi city of al-Hillah.
It is the Iraqi city of al-Hillah.
V
It isn't the empire God said He would destroy and leave desolate. It was the city of Babylon itself. As you can see, it is quite healthy. Saddam even started rebuilding it before Iraqi Freedom began.
Even if you view "desolate forever" as a temporary condition -- a ludicrous thought, but nonetheless, we'll consider it -- it has never, as I said earlier, but desolate. Look at what Isaiah said about it's ultimate destruction.
This is the same event of which Jeremiah wrote, but with more prophetic detail. This passage would indicate the total, pitiless, and absolute destruction of Babylon and the barbaric slaughter of her inhabitants. But it didn't happen. History does not record that the Medes exercised cruelty against the people, nor that they inflicted such utter damage on the city. In fact, Babylon stood and flourished for a very long period after that calamity. Though the seat of the empire was removed from it, it still retained its name and reputation.
Babylon has never been left desolate. That prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.
Even if you view "desolate forever" as a temporary condition -- a ludicrous thought, but nonetheless, we'll consider it -- it has never, as I said earlier, but desolate. Look at what Isaiah said about it's ultimate destruction.
Isaiah 13, NASB
15 Anyone who is found will be thrust through, And anyone who is captured will fall by the sword.
16 Their little ones also will be dashed to pieces Before their eyes; Their houses will be plundered And their wives ravished.
17 Behold, I am going to stir up the Medes against them, Who will not value silver or take pleasure in gold.
18 And their bows will mow down the young men, They will not even have compassion on the fruit of the womb, Nor will their eye pity children.
15 Anyone who is found will be thrust through, And anyone who is captured will fall by the sword.
16 Their little ones also will be dashed to pieces Before their eyes; Their houses will be plundered And their wives ravished.
17 Behold, I am going to stir up the Medes against them, Who will not value silver or take pleasure in gold.
18 And their bows will mow down the young men, They will not even have compassion on the fruit of the womb, Nor will their eye pity children.
This is the same event of which Jeremiah wrote, but with more prophetic detail. This passage would indicate the total, pitiless, and absolute destruction of Babylon and the barbaric slaughter of her inhabitants. But it didn't happen. History does not record that the Medes exercised cruelty against the people, nor that they inflicted such utter damage on the city. In fact, Babylon stood and flourished for a very long period after that calamity. Though the seat of the empire was removed from it, it still retained its name and reputation.
Babylon has never been left desolate. That prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.
V
An addendum to the previous post:
“The contributory factors to the greater wealth of Babylonian Jewry were as follows. The Sassanians, unlike the Romans, were not a commercial race .... This provided for greater commercial opportunities for Jews in the Sassanide Empire. One example of this is the government monopoly in the trade in silks in the Roman Empire which prevented Jews in Palestine from trading in this commodity, and the extensive trade in silks in Babylon.” -- L. Jacobs, The economic conditions of the Jews in Babylon in Talmudic times compared with Palestine, II Journal of Semitic Studies, II (October 1957), pp. 349-360.
Obviously, the economy of Babylon was quite healthy well more than 100 years after it's supposed "desolation forever."
“The contributory factors to the greater wealth of Babylonian Jewry were as follows. The Sassanians, unlike the Romans, were not a commercial race .... This provided for greater commercial opportunities for Jews in the Sassanide Empire. One example of this is the government monopoly in the trade in silks in the Roman Empire which prevented Jews in Palestine from trading in this commodity, and the extensive trade in silks in Babylon.” -- L. Jacobs, The economic conditions of the Jews in Babylon in Talmudic times compared with Palestine, II Journal of Semitic Studies, II (October 1957), pp. 349-360.
Obviously, the economy of Babylon was quite healthy well more than 100 years after it's supposed "desolation forever."
Thanks VW, but I think I'll stick to what the words of God says over mans insight into past history, historians are only flesh and blood men, and not God.
Isaiah 13:19
And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
Isaiah 14:4
That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isaiah 14:22
For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 13:19
And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
Isaiah 14:4
That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isaiah 14:22
For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.
V
Thanks VW, but I think I'll stick to what the words of God says over mans insight into past history, historians are only flesh and blood men, and not God.
Isaiah 13:19
And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
Isaiah 14:4
That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isaiah 14:22
For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 13:19
And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
Isaiah 14:4
That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isaiah 14:22
For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.
V
I could list a WHOLE BUNCH more verses on the event and how God describes it, but somehow I don't think a multitude of scripture verses will change your mind. (been there done that)
What we do see, however, is Christ, and Him crucified. That's what we have between us, and it is a bond that cannot be broken. God bless.
K
I didn't say ALL OT prophecies have been fulfilled, just the one you mentioned earlier in the fall of the OT Babylon by the Persians and Medes. The Lord said the physical OT Babylon would be desolate forever.
Jeremiah 51:60-62[SUP]60 [/SUP]So Jeremiah wrote in a book all the evil that should come upon Babylon, even all these words that are written against Babylon.
[SUP]61 [/SUP]And Jeremiah said to Seraiah, When thou comest to Babylon, and shalt see, and shalt read all these words;
[SUP]62 [/SUP]Then shalt thou say, O Lord, thou hast spoken against this place, to cut it off, that none shall remain in it, neither man nor beast, but that it shall be desolate for ever.
Mystery, Babylon the great is a world wide global system, when it is judged, the whole world falls with it....
Revelation 16:18-20
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Jeremiah 51:60-62[SUP]60 [/SUP]So Jeremiah wrote in a book all the evil that should come upon Babylon, even all these words that are written against Babylon.
[SUP]61 [/SUP]And Jeremiah said to Seraiah, When thou comest to Babylon, and shalt see, and shalt read all these words;
[SUP]62 [/SUP]Then shalt thou say, O Lord, thou hast spoken against this place, to cut it off, that none shall remain in it, neither man nor beast, but that it shall be desolate for ever.
Mystery, Babylon the great is a world wide global system, when it is judged, the whole world falls with it....
Revelation 16:18-20
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
The Medes destroy the end times Babylon as well according to scripture, as the Babylon city was located in Iraq in the past. It was never located in Saudi Arabia as the prophecy I am referring to in the OT, and Mystery Babylon is not a world wide global system. Revelation 17:16 shows that the man of sin and the 10 kingdoms/kings that follow him will destroy Babylon. The main two kingdoms/nations the bible points to as following him is Iran (Medes) and Turkey (Roman empire), both of which are Muslim countries.