So You Think There's no Muslim Issue?

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kaylagrl

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Anti Charlie Hebdo protests have broken out in different countries.Muslims are burning the French flag and the president in effigy.There have been reports of "gas the Jews" being chanted in Paris.This is why there is an issue.Its not about the cartoons,its about Muslims forcing their will on the rest of the world.Taking away free speech and making people fearful to say anything that might offend the Muslims.That is the issue!

Growing anger across Muslim world over Charlie Hebdo magazine cover | Daily Mail Online
 
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Gandalf

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Anti Charlie Hebdo protests have broken out in different countries.Muslims are burning the French flag and the president in effigy.There have been reports of "gas the Jews" being chanted in Paris.This is why there is an issue.Its not about the cartoons,its about Muslims forcing their will on the rest of the world.Taking away free speech and making people fearful to say anything that might offend the Muslims.That is the issue!

Growing anger across Muslim world over Charlie Hebdo magazine cover | Daily Mail Online
Yip, and the Muslims grow bolder each time something like this happens. I think it was you that said the Jews are going back to Israel? But with articles like these it is clear to see why they are afraid to stay in Europe.
 
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Anonimous

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Yip, and the Muslims grow bolder each time something like this happens. I think it was you that said the Jews are going back to Israel? But with articles like these it is clear to see why they are afraid to stay in Europe.
At one time they were chased out of Europe. maybe the Jews that are returning to Israel know something? Or could it be that God is leading them once again.
 
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Gandalf

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At one time they were chased out of Europe. maybe the Jews that are returning to Israel know something? Or could it be that God is leading them once again.
I say door number 2. Many Jews are also accepting Yeshua as the Messiah in these days
 
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halleluyah!! halleluyah !! halleluyah, halleluyah, halleluyah !!!!!

[h=1] Romans 11:15-24Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)[/h] [SUP]15 [/SUP]For if their casting Yeshua aside means reconciliation for the world, what will their accepting him mean? It will be life from the dead!
 

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I had a thought today. The Quran tells muslims to kill the infidel where they stand. Why would satan put this in his false religion? In order to both cause people to sin, but also for a bigger reason. In order to lead the "new world" he is trying to create, a world of "free love" and "tolerance", to believe that religion and belief in God are the greatest evil to the human race. We are told satan was created with great wisdom. He knows how to mislead us. He even knows how to push disbelief that God could have lived as a man and died for our sins to save us and create a seemingly righteous religion that eases people who know there is a God away from Christ.

I have wondered about Islam being the religion that unites man from Christ in the end times. I dont doubt it for a second. And the law of killing the infidel would still be used then, and could still be used to lead people away from knowing God today. Satan is cunning, always trying to find ways to mislead us into the destruction they have received.

This is the religion that tells us satan was NOT evil, but just so noble and loyal to God that he wouldnt bow to men, after all. It is clear who made this religion.
 
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kaylagrl

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I had a thought today. The Quran tells muslims to kill the infidel where they stand. Why would satan put this in his false religion? In order to both cause people to sin, but also for a bigger reason. In order to lead the "new world" he is trying to create, a world of "free love" and "tolerance", to believe that religion and belief in God are the greatest evil to the human race. We are told satan was created with great wisdom. He knows how to mislead us. He even knows how to push disbelief that God could have lived as a man and died for our sins to save us and create a seemingly righteous religion that eases people who know there is a God away from Christ.

I have wondered about Islam being the religion that unites man from Christ in the end times. I dont doubt it for a second. And the law of killing the infidel would still be used then, and could still be used to lead people away from knowing God today. Satan is cunning, always trying to find ways to mislead us into the destruction they have received.

This is the religion that tells us satan was NOT evil, but just so noble and loyal to God that he wouldnt bow to men, after all. It is clear who made this religion.
A very thoughtful answer.I believe you are right.Thanks for sharing that.
 
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If I had to choose between islam and cancer I'm choosing cancer all the way!
 
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Anti Charlie Hebdo protests have broken out in different countries.Muslims are burning the French flag and the president in effigy.There have been reports of "gas the Jews" being chanted in Paris.This is why there is an issue.Its not about the cartoons,its about Muslims forcing their will on the rest of the world.Taking away free speech and making people fearful to say anything that might offend the Muslims.That is the issue!

Growing anger across Muslim world over Charlie Hebdo magazine cover | Daily Mail Online
Kayla, if I'm allowed free speech, then I should be able to stand outside the CIA headquarters at Langley shouting ''Kill the infidels!!' or 'Allah 'u Akbar', if I so wished. Or I should be able to start a rally denying the holocaust in the middle of Israel, or Germany, or France. Or I should be able to walk up to a single mother in the street and call her a whore, should I so wish (which I don't, none of these things) all without the slightest repercussions, but unfortunately for you, that just isn't the way the real world works.

We are an interconnected, exceptionally well-communicated globalized society and what you say can reach thousands of miles away in the blink of an eye. It's time to stop believing our words have no global effect and that free speech is always free.

If I walked down the street in a US city crying ''Kill all the infidels'' I'd probably be put in Gitmo or at least interrogated, probably arrested via the Patriot Act. If I denied the Holocaust publicly in Germany, I'd be thrown in prison for Holocaust denial, and if I walked down the street and called a mother a whore I'd likely be arrested by police for slander. The same, if you're a national magazine harshly poking fun at Muslims, the consequence seems to be -- you get your head blown off.

Come back to the real world with us, Kayla. Free speech is useless without the common sense for respect.
 
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Sirk

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Kayla, if I'm allowed free speech, then I should be able to stand outside the CIA headquarters at Langley shouting ''Kill the infidels!!' or 'Allah 'u Akbar', if I so wished. Or I should be able to start a rally denying the holocaust in the middle of Israel, or Germany, or France. Or I should be able to walk up to a single mother in the street and call her a whore, should I so wish (which I don't, none of these things) all without the slightest repercussions, but unfortunately for you, that just isn't the way the real world works.

We are an interconnected, exceptionally well-communicated globalized society and what you say can reach thousands of miles away in the blink of an eye. It's time to stop believing our words have no global effect and that free speech is always free.

If I walked down the street in a US city crying ''Kill all the infidels'' I'd probably be put in Gitmo or at least interrogated, probably arrested via the Patriot Act. If I denied the Holocaust publicly in Germany, I'd be thrown in prison for Holocaust denial, and if I walked down the street and called a mother a whore I'd likely be arrested by police for slander. The same, if you're a national magazine harshly poking fun at Muslims, the consequence seems to be -- you get your head blown off.

Come back to the real world with us, Kayla. Free speech is useless without the common sense for respect.
Why is it that people can slander the God of the bible with abandon....you don't see a double standard there?
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Why is it that people can slander the God of the bible with abandon....you don't see a double standard there?
For the same reason you never hear "Allah damn it!" Or "Vishnu damn it!" Everyone -- including the sinner -- knows it has no impact.

Using "God" in that context, however ... :eek:
 
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Why is it that people can slander the God of the bible with abandon....you don't see a double standard there?
Nah. You've every right to say something back. If you wanted to procure a gun and go and shoot me for saying something you dislike, you probably could. You choose not to for a reason, and it's a lot more complex than ''my religion is nicer than yours is''.

To be absolutely fair, if I was a Muslim jihadist member of Al-Qaeda in France who came there from a war-torn country that had been decimated by NATO and saw a magazine mocking my people (many of whom died innocently, more than 500,000) for fighting back I'd probably be pretty aggrieved at the entire policy. While you, my privileged friend, have no idea what such a situation is like to be in, firstly because you live a secure, comfortable life in the USA, and secondly because you are much too ignorant to even give a second thought to the idea, much less actually imagine it.

So you go ahead, sit on your armchair without any attempt at understanding, call for war, send young American men, the vast majority of whom have never been victims of Al Qaeda, to go away to the desert and kill people who they don't know and whom are doing little but trying to defend themselves and their families from sky-drones, fighter jets, aircraft, tanks, bombs and bullets, with weapons severely lacking in comparison.

Do you see your family lying in bits in the street or your village having been destroyed by a drone, your son or your daughter or wife or uncle or whomever lying bloodied and dead? In reality, Americans have jack-all to complain about in comparison. When you imagine, then you'll realize that.

Till then, sit back on your sofa and enjoy your twinkies.
 
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Sirk

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Nah. You've every right to say something back. If you wanted to procure a gun and go and shoot me for saying something you dislike, you probably could. You choose not to for a reason, and it's a lot more complex than ''my religion is nicer than yours is''.

To be absolutely fair, if I was a Muslim jihadist member of Al-Qaeda in France who came there from a war-torn country that had been decimated by NATO and saw a magazine mocking my people (many of whom died innocently, more than 500,000) for fighting back I'd probably be pretty aggrieved at the entire policy. While you, my privileged friend, have no idea what such a situation is like to be in, firstly because you live a secure, comfortable life in the USA, and secondly because you are much too ignorant to even give a second thought to the idea, much less actually imagine it.

So you go ahead, sit on your armchair without any attempt at understanding, call for war, send young American men, the vast majority of whom have never been victims of Al Qaeda, to go away to the desert and kill people who they don't know and whom are doing little but trying to defend themselves and their families from sky-drones, fighter jets, aircraft, tanks, bombs and bullets, with weapons severely lacking in comparison.

Do you see your family lying in bits in the street or your village having been destroyed by a drone, your son or your daughter or wife or uncle or whomever lying bloodied and dead? In reality, Americans have jack-all to complain about in comparison. When you imagine, then you'll realize that.

Till then, sit back on your sofa and enjoy your twinkies.
You miss the point....you can go anywhere anytime and slander the God of the bible without repercussion.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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... if I was a Muslim jihadist member of Al-Qaeda in France who came there from a war-torn country that had been decimated by NATO and saw a magazine mocking my people (many of whom died innocently, more than 500,000) ...
Outright lie. No where near that many, and most were killed by al-Qaeda, not by the Allied Forces.

The rest of your post is nothing but insulting personal attacks and mindless drivel, so I'll dispense with further acknowledgment of it, beyond saying it is amazing to me that you, who disparage free speech, obviously enjoy it enough to attempt pithy though in reality ignorant "humor" without fear of even a moderator intervention, much less worry of retaliation, real or imagined.
 
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You miss the point....you can go anywhere anytime and slander the God of the bible without repercussion.
That's far from true. The Central African public is one example of how Christianity still retains a violent, oppressive and intolerant undercurrent. Historically, most Christian countries have at some point been similarly violent and intolerant.
 
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Outright lie. No where near that many, and most were killed by al-Qaeda, not by the Allied Forces.

The rest of your post is nothing but insulting personal attacks and mindless drivel, so I'll dispense with further acknowledgment of it, beyond saying it is amazing to me that you, who disparage free speech, obviously enjoy it enough to attempt pithy though in reality ignorant "humor" without fear of even a moderator intervention, much less worry of retaliation, real or imagined.
You're mistaken. The US policy on civilian collateral is ''if there's an insurgent in the building, we'll take the building down regardless of who else is in it''.

Utilizing common sense responsibility in regards to free speech in a globalized world is not the same as devaluing its worth. Neither is the fact that my country professes to be a humane, civilized, responsible advocate of free speech a reason to ignore instances when it is neither civilized, humane or responsible.