The politics of Gay rights.

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Socreta93

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Funny thing is, I can argue, gay people are some of the nicest people you'll ever meet. That's from personal experience, also my mom was once traveling on a bus from DC and she tripped over a bag while hitting the floor hard. No one helped except this one dude who she said was gay. Note justifying the lifestyle but it's not like they have evil malicious thoughts going on for the most part.
 
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in Ezekiel homosexuality isn't even listed as the issue God had with Sodom.. more need to chew on that fact..

God's Holiness is trampled when it is exchanged for created things, Then He gives them over to a depraved mind.... Which leads to all sorts of behavior... Read Romans

Let's read/teach the word correctly
But you would have the holiness of God trampled under foot for your self righteousness. Sodomites do not need individual freedoms but they need the mercy of God. In the lake of fire the least concern will be civil rights.

Labor not for that which perishes. Seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness.

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notuptome

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in Ezekiel homosexuality isn't even listed as the issue God had with Sodom.. more need to chew on that fact..

God's Holiness is trampled when it is exchanged for created things, Then He gives them over to a depraved mind.... Which leads to all sorts of behavior... Read Romans

Let's read/teach the word correctly
Use the first occurrence of Sodomy in Genesis to understand what it is and why God hates it. That is not to say that Sodomy is the cause but it is the evidence of a depraved heart. That explanation is seen in Romans 1.

For the cause of Christ
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This might seem as an unpopular opinion but many Christians treat homosexuality as the number 1 sin. It is not, killing, lying, adultery, drugs, getting drunk, ect... those are a problem as well. I can argue drugs and alcohol influence more young people than homosexuality does. So does that mean we should also deny other sinners their rights? I'm not in favor homosexuality don't get me wrong, we should still preach about it being against and the Bible, but this hatred rhetoric some spout makes things much worse. Do I agree with gay marriage, no but they deserve the same rights as they are also in fact human beings. It's just up to us to let them know what they are doing is wrong.

I have asked this before without answer. Please tell me what rights someone is trying to deny homosexuals?

Also, if there were advocacy groups going around trying to say that we need to be tolerant of the BEHAVIORS of, and accept drunkards and liars, and drug addicts, adulterers and you name it as they are, AND BE FORCED to facilitate their behaviors, then I can guarantee they would receive far greater attention.
We ALL need Jesus. We are ALL sinners. But can't you see the difference between acknowledging that sin AS SIN, and saying IT IS NOT SIN, and God thinks it's ok?

Why does disagreeing with their behavior, and refusing to acknowledge that behavior as being ok, equate to hating them? I truly don't understand that.

DISAGREEMENT DOES NOT MEAN HATRED!

I personally know several homosexuals, and they know I absolutely love them. I have eaten with them, and had them at my house. They have been given the Gospel, and I pray they accept it, but they know I believe what they are doing is sinful.
 

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I don't see how homosexuality ranks as more of a sin than say greed or anger. Greed and anger are sins each of us practice every day. Jesus proved that each and every one of us are guilty of sinning. Homosexuality is the easiest sin to pin on someone else making us look squeaky clean.
 

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Sorry for replying to you and coming on this thread just now.

We never said and do not think homosexuals are evil. We recognize them as normal individual capable of good and/or evil, like everyone else.
Homosexuality itself is ,instead, not normal and not okay (As we always sustain and sustained).

So, I don't get the point of this post. No offence.
 

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I don't see how homosexuality ranks as more of a sin than say greed or anger. Greed and anger are sins each of us practice every day. Jesus proved that each and every one of us are guilty of sinning. Homosexuality is the easiest sin to pin on someone else making us look squeaky clean.
I don't think anyone suggesting Greed, murder, and other like it is not sin. But Homosexuality is a sin that is being force to accept IF get caught killing aka murder every law of the land has a penalty for it. Yes in some there are harsh ones of homosexuality. But if the law was changed to no punishment homosexual would push the issues to get more and more protection under the law . The Bible call it sin. and we cannot justify homosexuality by say greed and murder is sin too.
what is the greater sin is done by those who say good is bad and bad is good. Providing laws for a sexual preference . how stupid can one be?
 
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Rachel20

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I am glad the OP adds the caveat that morally - yes we all think it is a sin.

However in our everyday daily lives, we are called to love one another and treating each other with dignity and respect is part of it.
People who are homosexuals and considering "marrying" their homosexual partners have for all purposes chosen to live in that manner.
Should they be denied spousal benefits that come from marriage including rights - like right to estate, power of attorney, tax considerations etc ?
If a homosexual person for any purpose becomes incompetent to make decisions on their own, should their homosexual partners accept responsibility?
From a legal perspective, it seems easier to grant them the same rights and it devolves from a moral high ground to civil rights.
Even a short while back, homosexuality was seen as a barrier for professional growth. Should a person be denied promotion because they are gay? That would be discrimination. Laws and charters are put in place for the sake of protection. (The USA had states practicing segregation up till the 1960s for crying out loud.)

There have been several people who were homosexual and have contributed to the growth of society and technology.
Peter Thiel is openly gay and famously conservative. Tim Cook is gay. Alan Turing was gay.

As a Christian, my moral compass points towards treating others with respect and dignity, and seeing that their rights are protected should be part of it.
Does this mean that we are condoning homosexuality? No. But the way they live their lives does not dictate the sanctity of our relationships and our standards of living.
 
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It is understandable that most Christians think that homosexuality is wrong according to the scriptures. However, homosexual people do exist in great numbers in this country. Do they have rights that should be protected?

Yes, ABSOLUTELY, God will ALWAYS allow people to chose HELL instead of HEAVEN! Free choice, you know, just as Lucifer had that FREE CHOICE!
 
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I have asked this before without answer. Please tell me what rights someone is trying to deny homosexuals?

Also, if there were advocacy groups going around trying to say that we need to be tolerant of the BEHAVIORS of, and accept drunkards and liars, and drug addicts, adulterers and you name it as they are, AND BE FORCED to facilitate their behaviors, then I can guarantee they would receive far greater attention.
We ALL need Jesus. We are ALL sinners. But can't you see the difference between acknowledging that sin AS SIN, and saying IT IS NOT SIN, and God thinks it's ok?

Why does disagreeing with their behavior, and refusing to acknowledge that behavior as being ok, equate to hating them? I truly don't understand that.

DISAGREEMENT DOES NOT MEAN HATRED!

I personally know several homosexuals, and they know I absolutely love them. I have eaten with them, and had them at my house. They have been given the Gospel, and I pray they accept it, but they know I believe what they are doing is sinful.

Are you talking about LEGAL rights, or rights of practicing Christians?
 

Embankment

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I don't anyone suggesting Greed, murder, and other like it is not sin. But Homosexuality is a sin that is being force to accept IF get caught killing aka murder every law of the land has a penalty for it. Yes in some there are harsh ones of homosexuality. But if the law was changed to no punishment homosexual would push the issues to get more and more protection under the law . The Bible call it sin. and we cannot justify homosexuality by say greed and murder is sin too.
what is the greater sin is done by those who say good is bad and bad is good. Providing laws for a sexual preference . how stupid can one be?
I don't see how you are being forced to except homosexuality. Is anyone of your sex asking you for your hand in marriage? Jesus said if you are angry with your neighbor you are guilty of sin. Point is that you are as guilty of sins as anyone else. Why worry about someone else who is not effecting you? Let God deal with that..
 

Embankment

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I think Jesus has covered our sins. Do you believe that?
 
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I don't see how you are being forced to except homosexuality. Is anyone of your sex asking you for your hand in marriage? Jesus said if you are angry with your neighbor you are guilty of sin. Point is that you are as guilty of sins as anyone else. Why worry about someone else who is not effecting you? Let God deal with that..

IF what you said above ("Jesus said if you are angry with your neighbor you are guilty of sin"), then WHY does the bible say, "Be ANGRY, but sin not?"

Ephesians 4:26 "In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry,
 
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I don't see how you are being forced to except homosexuality. Is anyone of your sex asking you for your hand in marriage? Jesus said if you are angry with your neighbor you are guilty of sin. Point is that you are as guilty of sins as anyone else. Why worry about someone else who is not effecting you? Let God deal with that..
bakers have lost their jobs for not wanting to make homosexual cakes

they are trying to make "gender fluid" bathrooms

and the next generations will be subjected to many disgusting ideals that are given "hero" and "victim" status at the same time
 

Embankment

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I don't see how homosexuality ranks as more of a sin than say greed or anger. Greed and anger are sins each of us practice every day. Jesus proved that each and every one of us are guilty of sinning. Homosexuality is the easiest sin to pin on someone else making us look squeaky clean.

Then clearly you do not know what the scriptures say about homosexuality!


1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.
 

Embankment

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Sure I do. Sin Is sin. There are not big sins or little sins. All sins are against God. Only one person ever walked this earth sinless and that was Jesus.

I'm sorry, but I must disagree with your assertion above. Please explain why there is a DISTINCTION made between types (or seriousness) of sins in the following scripture!

1 John 5:16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should
 

Embankment

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I don't see where I am setting a distinction, I said sin is sin. You apparently think that sins are ranked differently. ?
 

Embankment

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The only sin that leads to death is unbelief in Jesus as the son of God. That will doom you.