U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

[RickyZ]

God does not create gay babies.

Sin does. ALL infirmity came to us as a result of the fall. And satan has had untold generations to sew that into our flesh. Are there biological markers that predispose some to infirmity? Absolutely. Did God create that? Absolutely not. satan did.

 

[jsr1221]

Then why would drugs and alcohol be any different?

Im sure youve had other family members who have dealt with this struggle too. But like you said, you werent forced into it, you gave yourself up to it, like we all have, and did it yourself.


Thats what Im trying to say, I didnt live that way because my brain forced me into it, I did it because I was tempted, gave into it, and gave myself up to it entirely.


Im not pushing hate on anyone, but I know how dangerous this doctrine is.

What's dangerous is saying that it's okay to be gay. Or it's okay to be an alcoholic. That would be the dangerous doctrine. That is something that I have not, am not, and will not preach about. I stand by with stuff happens during pregnancies that we can't explain. Because we see it happening every single day. I have every right to believe it can be a combination of social, environmental, and biological factors. Just look at what we put into our bodies. That is what causes stuff like cancer, autism, and down syndrome. It's not really rocket science. There's an epidemic with those diseases, and there's something similar with homosexuality. Not the same exact thing, obviously, but still similarities. With that said, I'm not going to give Satan any more satisfaction with this thread. Cause this certainly isn't of God.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

What's dangerous is saying that it's okay to be gay. Or it's okay to be an alcoholic. That would be the dangerous doctrine. That is something that I have not, am not, and will not preach about. I stand by with stuff happens during pregnancies that we can't explain. Because we see it happening every single day. I have every right to believe it can be a combination of social, environmental, and biological factors. Just look at what we put into our bodies. That is what causes stuff like cancer, autism, and down syndrome. It's not really rocket science. There's an epidemic with those diseases, and there's something similar with homosexuality. Not the same exact thing, obviously, but still similarities. With that said, I'm not going to give Satan any more satisfaction with this thread. Cause this certainly isn't of God.

Being gay is as much as a mental disorder as having an addiction to porn is. Its nothing more than acting out on something that causes you arousal and feels pleasurable, and the bible stands by this as well, as Mitspa has shared here.

I would like to see the bible verse that claims some homosexuals are fine with God, because they cant help it...


Though you may not be able to fathom the idea of being with another male, its in no way impossible for others to find this idea alluring. I can honestly tell you that I have never once in my life had any fascination with the idea of doing evil things to a child, but there are clearly those who do. Its a behavioral choice, and not a mental disease.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

God does not create gay babies.

Sin does. ALL infirmity came to us as a result of the fall. And satan has had untold generations to sew that into our flesh. Are there biological markers that predispose some to infirmity? Absolutely. Did God create that? Absolutely not. satan did.

And can you imagine the time these fallen angels have spent coming up with these ideas to lead men away from the word of God, into what they want to hear?

I think about this often, I can imagine satan actually coming up with this plot. "lets spread the idea that they cant help but go against God, and prove it to them by tempting them with it relentlessly".

We are warned to be as wise as serpents. As His followers, we should question everything the world tries to teach us.

 

[jsr1221]

Being gay is as much as a mental disorder as having an addiction to porn is. Its nothing more than acting out on something that causes you arousal and feels pleasurable, and the bible stands by this as well, as Mitspa has shared here.

I would like to see the bible verse that claims some homosexuals are fine with God, because they cant help it...


Though you may not be able to fathom the idea of being with another male, its in no way impossible for others to find this idea alluring. I can honestly tell you that I have never once in my life had any fascination with the idea of doing evil things to a child, but there are clearly those who do. Its a behavioral choice, and not a mental disease.

I'll agree in that it's a choice whether or not to act out on it, and that it is that unknown that causes a lot of people to "try new things" as they would describe it. Does not make any of it right. I would like to think we can agree on that aspect, and leave the rest to God while we use Him to minister to these people, and others.

 

[blue_ladybug]

According to some people, we are supposed to shun gays and have nothing to do with them. How can we witness to them if we shun them?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I'll agree in that it's a choice whether or not to act out on it, and that it is that unknown that causes a lot of people to "try new things" as they would describe it. Does not make any of it right. I would like to think we can agree on that aspect, and leave the rest to God while we use Him to minister to these people, and others.

The bible tells you whos putting these ideas into our head. What do you think satan is doing to us?

But yeah, either way, it is only us giving into temptation, and we can say no. And that is what I want to shout to the world We have been given a free chance to repent for all weve done, and receive His mercy. Its the most important thing were ever gonna do, and I dont want anyone to be lead away from it

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

According to some people, we are supposed to shun gays and have nothing to do with them. How can we witness to them if we shun them?

If anyone is accusing ANYONE on this site of shunning gays, ask yourself, how many people on this site have shunned me?

I dont believe anyone here wants to "shun" people who deal with this issue They just dont like hearing other followers tell us that its not our fault, and take that very seriously.

 

[RickyZ]

And can you imagine the time these fallen angels have spent coming up with these ideas to lead men away from the word of God, into what they want to hear?

I think about this often, I can imagine satan actually coming up with this plot. "lets spread the idea that they cant help but go against God, and prove it to them by tempting them with it relentlessly".

We are warned to be as wise as serpents. As His followers, we should question everything the world tries to teach us.

Absolutely!

 

[KennethC]

According to some people, we are supposed to shun gays and have nothing to do with them. How can we witness to them if we shun them?

We are never to shun anybody from the get go as we are to welcome all and share the word with all no matter what sin they have done.

The shunning spoken of in 1 Corinthians 5 is only to be done after they have become part of the congregation and then over time still refuse to give up those sinful ways.

 

[blue_ladybug]

If anyone is accusing ANYONE on this site of shunning gays, ask yourself, how many people on this site have shunned me?

I dont believe anyone here wants to "shun" people who deal with this issue They just dont like hearing other followers tell us that its not our fault, and take that very seriously.

Hey now, I've never shunned you. I have alot of gay friends and neighbors..

 

[RickyZ]

Hate the sin, love the sinner. I believe it is only among our brethren that we are to shun those who do not accept correction.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

When we ourselves are perfect then maybe we would be entitled to "shun" sinners. Can't see that happening anytime soon!

 

[KennethC]

If anyone is accusing ANYONE on this site of shunning gays, ask yourself, how many people on this site have shunned me?

I dont believe anyone here wants to "shun" people who deal with this issue They just dont like hearing other followers tell us that its not our fault, and take that very seriously.

Yes like I mentioned to blue_ladybug the shunning mentioned in the bible is so badly misused these days, and even goes as far in some churches as leading them to be in a bad hate doctrine such as that of the Westboro church.

Shunning is never to be a first step !!!

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Hate the sin, love the sinner. I believe it is only among our brethren that we are to shun those who do not accept correction.

I still am friends with some of the people from that life I lived. I dont shun them, but have hope that I can help them see the truth of Christ one day.

I am still a close friend to the guy I was living in sin with in that life, though. I really hope he one day comes to God, too. I worry about him alot, I mean I know whats gonna happen to him.

But, I also sometimes worry that I shouldnt be friends with him, too. In his own anger for the changes that have happened in my life, he has became hateful of God, and not always, but occasionally mocks me in front of our friends and scoffs at the Lord too. I sometimes wonder if God would really want me to keep in contact with him. I am not totally sure.

I also have other struggles with this issue that have been causing me some anxiety lately as well, and Ive been thinking about making a thread about it here. I might do that soon.




I guess my point was Im not totally sure when we should spread the word, and when we should get out. I wonder if anyone here knows better than I do about this issue

 

[MadParrotWoman]

I still am friends with some of the people from that life I lived. I dont shun them, but have hope that I can help them see the truth of Christ one day.

I am still a close friend to the guy I was living in sin with in that life, though. I really hope he one day comes to God, too. I worry about him alot, I mean I know whats gonna happen to him.

But, I also sometimes worry that I shouldnt be friends with him, too. In his own anger for the changes that have happened in my life, he has became hateful of God, and not always, but occasionally mocks me in front of our friends and scoffs at the Lord too. I sometimes wonder if God would really want me to keep in contact with him. I am not totally sure.

I also have other struggles with this issue that have been causing me some anxiety lately as well, and Ive been thinking about making a thread about it here. I might do that soon.




I guess my point was Im not totally sure when we should spread the word, and when we should get out. I wonder if anyone here knows better than I do about this issue

I think it's always a good idea to stick with those you feel are still "saveable" (is that a word? lol) but there is also a time to get out of a situation too. Does that situation lead you into temptation? Do you feel weak when you are with these people? Then it's time to get out. These people are no longer part of your lifestyle, you do not need to be with those who would lead you or see you led into sin. To mix in different circles would not be dismiss previous friendships, you can continue to pray for these people and talk to them over the phone or internet but your first priority should be to protect yourself from those who would lead you into temptation.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

Just to add..I think we focus a little too much on the sin of homosexuality. In the eyes of God there is no such thing as big sin/little sin, to Him all sin is equal. Yes God called homosexuality an "abomination" but He was equally damning about all sexual sin. I wonder how many of us have indulged in sexual sin whilst calling ourselves Christian? I don't believe Homosexuals to be more sinful than anyone else caught up in sexual sin.

Our job is to love, it is a requirement to become more like Jesus. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

[Mitspa]

Just to add..I think we focus a little too much on the sin of homosexuality. In the eyes of God there is no such thing as big sin/little sin, to Him all sin is equal. Yes God called homosexuality an "abomination" but He was equally damning about all sexual sin. I wonder how many of us have indulged in sexual sin whilst calling ourselves Christian? I don't believe Homosexuals to be more sinful than anyone else caught up in sexual sin.

Our job is to love, it is a requirement to become more like Jesus. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I agree in general that all sinners need Christ..and the message of the gospel is we are all sinners and need deliverance in Christ...but clearly this sin is pointed to as a sin that proves the rejection of Gods moral standards and evidence of a reprobate condition of those who practice such things. I also see that this sin in particular is being promoted as acceptable in our society and even in the church...the reason its discussed so often is because its being promoted so often even by force of law.

 

[Mitspa]

When we ourselves are perfect then maybe we would be entitled to "shun" sinners. Can't see that happening anytime soon!

We are not taught that we will ever be without fault..we are taught that we are all called to look upon Perfection and submit to Gods Will in Christ. when groups of "Christians" reject those standards and pervert the truth...we are clearly call reprove that error and even to separate ourselves from those "Christians"...this is basic biblical doctrine

As far as being related to westboro Baptist .... the reason these people are so well-known is because they clearly are set-up to embarrass true Christians ...its the devil who established these folks and wants them to be brought up in the mind of others to defame the truth.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

I agree in general that all sinners need Christ..and the message of the gospel is we are all sinners and need deliverance in Christ...but clearly this sin is pointed to as a sin that proves the rejection of Gods moral standards and evidence of a reprobate condition of those who practice such things. I also see that this sin in particular is being promoted as acceptable in our society and even in the church...the reason its discussed so often is because its being promoted so often even by force of law.

Yes absolutely - what you wrote in bold. We are being asked - and at times it feels like we are being forced to accept it as normal in society.