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Most people believe it out of rational logical thought from premises not breaching formal logical fallacies (in light of verifiable scientifically observable evidence) unless one assumes a worldview colouring all perception from the proposed existence of an unproven, omniescent creator God who created a kind able to be faulty with foresight they'd be faulty, who then condemned them for becoming faulty, sentenced them to toil, suffering and death for all eternity unless they believe he sent himself to appease himself to save the humans he himself sentenced to death and suffering after creating them inferior to his expectations, all hinging on seed-stories originating from a 3 millennia old creation-myth written by an unknown sheep-farmer in the middle of the Egyptian desert, the claims therein of which virtually none can actually be scientifically verified, whatsoever -- not Exodus, not the Plagues, not the Flood.
That's what I'd call a gap in logic about as wide as the scope of your hypocrisy, mate. There's little point lecturing me in logic when you live an entirely delusional life.
That's what I'd call a gap in logic about as wide as the scope of your hypocrisy, mate. There's little point lecturing me in logic when you live an entirely delusional life.
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Son, nothing you say is ultimately meaningful apart from Creator God. Now you're making false assertions again.
Firstly, you've stated that God's existence is unproven. That is a false assertion. It's unproven to you because you're a spiritually dead person who doesn't consciously interact with God and the supernatural. The empirical proof is well documented and spans many domains including science and history. The fact of God's existence is also presently verified in the present by those of us who have been spiritually reborn and consistently experience the supernatural manifest in the physical world. We do interact with Creator God who makes Himself known to us.
Secondly, in your ignorance, you've used omniscience incorrectly as it applies to God. Read Dr. Norman Geisler's 'Volume Two - God and Creation' chapter eight 'Omniscience' to find out how and why.
Well you're at it, read the rest of that book to discover why the rest of your comments about God are infantile, maligned, and logically fallacious.
I suppose we also need to give you a quick history lesson. The core beliefs of Christians that God would take on flesh, die and rise again, precede Abraham far into antiquity. Abraham’s Horite people prophesied the dying and rising of God in terms of the sun’s rising and setting.
This was metaphorical as they did not worship either the sun or moon as pagans did nor consider them equal as in Asian dualism. Rather the sun served in their culture as the best available analogy for the one true Creator God who ruled over the whole world and whom had promised to Himself appropriate their guilt [presumably as far back as Eden] so they adopted the metaphor.
The core belief of Christianity concerning the Son of God can be archeologically traced back long before Abraham to his Horite ancestors with the biblical record asserting this knowledge all the way back to the very first humans.
There is no gap in my logic nor hypocrisy in my worldview. Rather you're an ignorant person who's making a lot of false assertions and doing so from a worldview in which nothing you say is ultimately meaningful nor ever will be.
Firstly, you've stated that God's existence is unproven. That is a false assertion. It's unproven to you because you're a spiritually dead person who doesn't consciously interact with God and the supernatural. The empirical proof is well documented and spans many domains including science and history. The fact of God's existence is also presently verified in the present by those of us who have been spiritually reborn and consistently experience the supernatural manifest in the physical world. We do interact with Creator God who makes Himself known to us.
Secondly, in your ignorance, you've used omniscience incorrectly as it applies to God. Read Dr. Norman Geisler's 'Volume Two - God and Creation' chapter eight 'Omniscience' to find out how and why.
Well you're at it, read the rest of that book to discover why the rest of your comments about God are infantile, maligned, and logically fallacious.
I suppose we also need to give you a quick history lesson. The core beliefs of Christians that God would take on flesh, die and rise again, precede Abraham far into antiquity. Abraham’s Horite people prophesied the dying and rising of God in terms of the sun’s rising and setting.
This was metaphorical as they did not worship either the sun or moon as pagans did nor consider them equal as in Asian dualism. Rather the sun served in their culture as the best available analogy for the one true Creator God who ruled over the whole world and whom had promised to Himself appropriate their guilt [presumably as far back as Eden] so they adopted the metaphor.
The core belief of Christianity concerning the Son of God can be archeologically traced back long before Abraham to his Horite ancestors with the biblical record asserting this knowledge all the way back to the very first humans.
There is no gap in my logic nor hypocrisy in my worldview. Rather you're an ignorant person who's making a lot of false assertions and doing so from a worldview in which nothing you say is ultimately meaningful nor ever will be.
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A related informational article by Dr. Habib Chamoun Nicolas: Why Jesus Visited Tyre and the Blessed Virgin Mary's Priestly Lineage, Like all Phoenician Kings
Not to be rude, but this really isnt true. Only a few of our founding fathers were known to believe in God, and most of them had a perverted belief in Him. Many of them were the kind who believed that salvation came from certain knowledge, and looked down on Christianity. Ben Franklin was a member of the Hellfire Club, a pagan group who mocked Christ and reveled in sinful acts. They were not really Christian, and looked down on those who were. They, like the leaders of today, fell into the demonic idea that because they are in power, they are divinely chosen, and believe in a pagan idea of God, and use Christianity with the belief that we foolish pawns they are given the divine right to rule over all are so foolish to follow, and pretend to believe in Christ in order to gain your trust.
I wouldnt believe any politician who called themselves Christian. We are warned, our enemy is the powers of the earth and of those fallen of the heavenly realms.
I wouldnt believe any politician who called themselves Christian. We are warned, our enemy is the powers of the earth and of those fallen of the heavenly realms.
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And about gay marriage, I have been thinking about it alot. The Christian definition of marriage is making a promise to God that you will always stay and take care of your spouse in order to actually be together. And yes, God made Eve for Adam, and continues with this will, as it leads to something good, and is not self fullfilling of personal desires. What gays in the US say they are mad about is the laws of marriage. That they arent getting the ta breaks with property that straight couples get. They can still get together under US law. I have been thinking, if they want those tax laws, give it to them. When does God ever care about the taxes of our nations? Our nation is already on the path of immorality, and are under the belief that it is cruel to help people see the destruction it leads to. I am in NO way saying that we should support homosexuality. We should continue to help people get away from it, just like I have been led away from it by God. But there will be those who do it, and already can just without the tax benefits. Id say that as long as churches can continue to say no to marrying homosexuals, then we are okay. And yes we should continue to try and help those trapped under the desire. But allowing them to be together just without some tax benefits isnt really going to help the situation. We should fight for the right to stay with Gods will without persecution, and not to keep homosexuals from certain tax breaks, which will only fuel their flames of calling God their enemy.
And about gay marriage, I have been thinking about it alot. The Christian definition of marriage is making a promise to God that you will always stay and take care of your spouse in order to actually be together. And yes, God made Eve for Adam, and continues with this will, as it leads to something good, and is not self fullfilling of personal desires. What gays in the US say they are mad about is the laws of marriage. That they arent getting the ta breaks with property that straight couples get. They can still get together under US law. I have been thinking, if they want those tax laws, give it to them. When does God ever care about the taxes of our nations? Our nation is already on the path of immorality, and are under the belief that it is cruel to help people see the destruction it leads to. I am in NO way saying that we should support homosexuality. We should continue to help people get away from it, just like I have been led away from it by God. But there will be those who do it, and already can just without the tax benefits. Id say that as long as churches can continue to say no to marrying homosexuals, then we are okay. And yes we should continue to try and help those trapped under the desire. But allowing them to be together just without some tax benefits isnt really going to help the situation. We should fight for the right to stay with Gods will without persecution, and not to keep homosexuals from certain tax breaks, which will only fuel their flames of calling God their enemy.
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Not to be rude, but this isn't true. Only a few of our founding fathers were known to question the existence of God and all of these, in one way or another, adhered in part to the teachings of Christian deism.
As John Adams stated, "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."
Twenty-nine of the fifty six signers of the Declaration held what are today considered seminary or Bible school degrees in addition to their other accomplishments, and many others of the signers were bold and outspoken in their personal Christian faith. Significantly, not one of the Founding Fathers was atheist or secular in his orientation; even Thomas Paine (certainly the least religious of the Founders) openly acknowledged God and announced his belief in his personal accountability to God, and he also directly advocated teaching creationism in the public school classroom (See Paine's speech delivered in Paris on January 16, 1797).
And Ben Franklin was a baptized Puritan whose parents were devout Puritans who told Voltaire to his face that he believed in "God and liberty." Specifically, Ben Franklin referred to himself as a Christian deist in his 1771 autobiography.
See: Franklin, Benjamin (1771). Autobiography and other writings. Cambridge: Riverside. p. 52
However; he stated that despite his Christian deist beliefs, he considered himself a Christian.
See: Olson, Roger (October 19, 2009). The Mosaic of Christian Belief: Twenty Centuries of Unity and Diversity. InterVarsity Press. Other Deists and natural religionists who considered themselves Christians in some sense of the word included Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin.
He retained a strong faith in a God as the wellspring of morality and goodness in man, and as a Providential actor in history responsible for American independence.
See: Isaacson, Benjamin (2004). Benjamin Franklin: An American Life. New York, NY: Simon & Shuster.
He found it politically expedient to garner membership in a large number of wide ranging clubs, organizations, etc... and did so for political reasons not religious ones.
As John Adams stated, "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."
Twenty-nine of the fifty six signers of the Declaration held what are today considered seminary or Bible school degrees in addition to their other accomplishments, and many others of the signers were bold and outspoken in their personal Christian faith. Significantly, not one of the Founding Fathers was atheist or secular in his orientation; even Thomas Paine (certainly the least religious of the Founders) openly acknowledged God and announced his belief in his personal accountability to God, and he also directly advocated teaching creationism in the public school classroom (See Paine's speech delivered in Paris on January 16, 1797).
And Ben Franklin was a baptized Puritan whose parents were devout Puritans who told Voltaire to his face that he believed in "God and liberty." Specifically, Ben Franklin referred to himself as a Christian deist in his 1771 autobiography.
See: Franklin, Benjamin (1771). Autobiography and other writings. Cambridge: Riverside. p. 52
However; he stated that despite his Christian deist beliefs, he considered himself a Christian.
See: Olson, Roger (October 19, 2009). The Mosaic of Christian Belief: Twenty Centuries of Unity and Diversity. InterVarsity Press. Other Deists and natural religionists who considered themselves Christians in some sense of the word included Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin.
He retained a strong faith in a God as the wellspring of morality and goodness in man, and as a Providential actor in history responsible for American independence.
See: Isaacson, Benjamin (2004). Benjamin Franklin: An American Life. New York, NY: Simon & Shuster.
He found it politically expedient to garner membership in a large number of wide ranging clubs, organizations, etc... and did so for political reasons not religious ones.
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Its more then just tax breaks. There are many benefits that come with legal marriage, that a civil union won't give (If your interested you can do some research on that). So it is understandable why many people want legal marriage extended to same sex couples as well. Of course it being legal everywhere in the USA, is not going to force religious institutions to change their religious based marriage.
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Re: U.S. Supreme Court to Decide if Homosexual Marriage Will Be Legalized Later This
I do not in any way support gay marriage. But I dont care at all about benefits with laws and such. Christian marriage is about a man and a woman promising God that they will in fact stay together and take care of each other in order to be together. As long as Christians dont get arrested for not allowing it in their churches, I dont care about laws of a nation.
I will always try to help people find a way out of the sin. But Im not gonna be angry that they can now use the word marriage and get some tax breaks when they can already get together anyways. The only thing that matters at this point is that Christians arent arrested for standing on the side of God. It will always be our job to let people know that its not Gods will, and that it does lead to His wrath.
I do not in any way support gay marriage. But I dont care at all about benefits with laws and such. Christian marriage is about a man and a woman promising God that they will in fact stay together and take care of each other in order to be together. As long as Christians dont get arrested for not allowing it in their churches, I dont care about laws of a nation.
I will always try to help people find a way out of the sin. But Im not gonna be angry that they can now use the word marriage and get some tax breaks when they can already get together anyways. The only thing that matters at this point is that Christians arent arrested for standing on the side of God. It will always be our job to let people know that its not Gods will, and that it does lead to His wrath.