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edward99

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israel is not perfect...but compared to most of its neighbors...israel has yet to commit a massacre of tens of thousands of civilians for one thing...

the fact that you single out israel for criticism...while ignoring or even -defending- those who are killing tens of thousands...shows that your motivation is antisemitic...

and the absurd lengths you go to in order to spread antisemitic contentions are shown by your ridiculous claim that israel is somehow responsible for the violence of the 'arab spring'... the direction of the arab spring has been almost entirely opposite to israel's interests...an islamist government has replaced the pro israel mubarak government in egypt and created lawlessness on israel's southern border...hezbollah has taken over lebanon and set up a hostile government on israel's northern border...chaos in libya has resulted in unprecedented black market access to heavy weaponry for israel's enemies everywhere...and any regime change in jordan would result in the replacement of a pro israel king with a hostile islamist regime on israel's eastern border...

this overturning of governments in the arab world has resulted in an israel more surrounded by heavily armed enemies than at any other time in decades...and yet you claim that it is actively driving these events... the only possible motivation for you to present this kind of impossible conspiracy theory is antisemitism...if anything bad happens you blame the jews...

and when i mentioned the antisemitic agenda...i was referring to the antisemitic agenda being pushed by you and tribesman and other 'christian antizionists' like you on this forum...which seems to happen in waves here... you are just the latest iteration of a long line of this evil that has been exposed here...

the rest of your post is just document spamming that is geared towards baiting me into a different debate to distract everyone from the debate you are currently losing...so i will ignore it...
Still either no clue of the machinations, or openly cooperating with the Great Harlot.
More hasbara apologism for the worst terrorist nation on earth.

I'm not losing, there's no debate.

You're pro-Israel at the expense of Christians,
So I will ignore you, provided you keep your word to ignore my posts.
You jumped on to this thread making creepy accusations that Middle Eastern Christians are idolators and rejected by God.

Followed by the worst kind of Israeli propaganda about who does what.

You'll deny things like The USS Liberty; The Lavon Affair; The bombing of the King David hotel by Israeli terrorists dressed like Palestinians; Israel's attack and murder of 3000 people on Sept 11.

You're a joke.
next....
 
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edward99

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and when i mentioned the antisemitic agenda...i was referring to the antisemitic agenda being pushed by you and tribesman and other 'christian antizionists' like you on this forum...which seems to happen in waves here... you are just the latest iteration of a long line of this evil that has been exposed here....
Sadly for people like you, the truth is out there. That's why they have to legislate SILENCE. Impose prison and penalties, intimidate and threaten simply because the truth is coming out.
People like you will turn in your Christian neighbors for fear of the "jews"; or because of your PC indoctrination holding well. What a good little helper you are.
Unfaithful to Christ; if you EVER knew Him.

All your whining about antisemitism to cover up the crimes of the fascist nation of Israel (stolen from others on the laughable pretense the people who took it are Biblical Hebrews...another deception long ago debunked) is old and only a few still play that game. And they do so out of fear.

next...
 
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loveme1

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Maybe you were holding back what you knew...
Revealing the truth to those without should not be a competition, show rachel some compassion, is that not what she lacked that started this conversation?

Please do not question my beliefs, by asking me questions like this:

Secondarily, I am asking you if Yahshua is The Almighty Himself.
Is Yashua the Eternal God, The Creator?

Is Jesus God?

I'm a Bible believing person.

There is no ultimate question on a persons Salvation that can be asked by a fellow man.

Let Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah be with all authority.

Spirit manifested into flesh.

1 Timothy 3

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
 
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edward99

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Maybe you were holding back what you knew...
Why would I do that?

Revealing the truth to those without should not be a competition
Again, whatever are you talking about?

show rachel some compassion, is that not what she lacked that started this conversation?
She lacks a lot more than that.
Feel free to shower RachelBibleStudent with compassion.

Please do not question my beliefs, by asking me questions like this:
You're all over Catholics (and others) like white on rice for what you think their beliefs are
Denying the Deity of Christ is heresy. Your odd refusal to answer prompted repeated requests, not only my right to clarify, but a duty.

I'm a Bible believing person.

There is no ultimate question on a persons Salvation that can be asked by a fellow man.
Really?
Then why do you do it?

Let Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah be with all authority.

Spirit manifested into flesh.

1 Timothy 3

Quote:
16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
Amen.
Thanks for answering.
 

loveme1

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Why would I do that?



Again, whatever are you talking about?



She lacks a lot more than that.
Feel free to shower RachelBibleStudent with compassion.



You're all over Catholics (and others) like white on rice for what you think their beliefs are
Denying the Deity of Christ is heresy. Your odd refusal to answer prompted repeated requests, not only my right to clarify, but a duty.



Really?
Then why do you do it?


Amen.
Thanks for answering.
I have shared the truth and never asked one of them to answer a question like the one you continue to put to me.






The catholic church is of an evil agenda, you will soon see how it ties in with your "us-nato information"....

Once again the catholic church is part of a much wider evil rebellion.....







Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
 

loveme1

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Luke 23

12And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.


The end times is when the evil rebellion join forces....
 

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[While this response of RachelBibleStudent sort under the kind of posts that I would normally ignore, plus putting such users in my iggy bin, I shall yet reply to this response. Not for the sake of expecting that her ears would hear anything, but for the sake of other readers who might be seeking or struggling with the issues brought up.]

the fact of the matter is that antizionism -is- antisemitism...your denials notwithstanding...there is simply no other possible motivation to single out just one state for the mountain of criticism you heap on israel alone...
That is nothing but a far fledged extremist opinion. Not even many hardcore zionists would say that antizionism=antisemitism by necessity, you even trump them in your fanaticism. Interestingly you must then also label many distinct and intellectual antizionist jews as antisemites.

your mention of the inquisition is ironic since the inquisition persecuted jews in medieval europe...
Yes, it IS ironic that Israel now does the same thing towards others that she complains of having been done against herself so much. It is ironic that her allies so easily put labels on people once these people surface the slightest critique against Israel. They will yell with a loud voice "antisemite!" much in the same manner as the papists once labeled Galileo "heretic" for saying that the earth is round, not flat. Ironic, for sure.

i am not demanding that anyone recognize israel as a fulfillment of end time prophecy or that non christian jews are still God's exclusively chosen people...in fact i disagree with those views... instead i am rebuking those who because of racism or religious bigotry have argued that the jewish people are not entitled to what nearly every other nation on the planet has been granted...security in their own secular state...
None here (not me, at least) have suggested that jews should not be allowed to have their own state. (By the way, there are many hundreds of peoples who have a right to a homeland and yet have none). Instead of speedily yelling antisemite to people who dissent from your views you might want to learn what they mean first. I personally believe in the two-state solution (which the israelis have not respected) and that the jewish state should be secular and can have no religous legacy at all. It is not the fulfillment of any biblical prophecies. It is all about politics, not religion.

So it seems we might even have the same position on the nature of the israeli state. So, you assumed something incorrect about my views out of the blue, based on nothing else than your own slandering and accusation. Which, of course, makes a serious discussion impossible. I think your approach is not only rude but also very unwise. If you were rationally minded you could have asked me: what do you believe concerning the legacy of the state of Israel. That is how decent and normal communication works.

and i also rebuke those like you who question the christianity of anyone who disagrees with such wicked contentions...
You are just justifying yourself and your slandering. Because you are the one who question the christianity of those who disagree with your views on Israel. As long as you do so, then expect nothing else than tit-for-tat.

so far i haven't heard anyone here argue that the saudis or the bhutanis should be deprived of their right to a secure state in their homeland...and i haven't heard anyone here claim that those nations are evil whenever they defend that right... for some reason israel is the only state anyone wants to single out for elimination...why?
Again, none here (at least not me) have argued that any people should be deprived of a homeland. But maybe you should read up on the historical background of the israeli state and the saudi state. You might see it's not so easy to compare them.

you say you are aware of muslim arab violence...you say you reject saudi arabia and qatar and egypt...yet up until this point you have focused your attacks entirely on israel...and you only disparaged these other nations when you were called out for antisemitism...why?
Your ranting of "antisemitism" came as the antichristian foundation of your lords was pointed out. In no way did my remarks exclude the fact that hatred is also turned against jews from muslim arabs. I am not a supporter of Hamas. Again, you assume things with no bearing. *sighs* What upsets you is that I don't join the fanatic choir who fabulate about Israel being so much more better and "democratic" than her neighbours in this regard. I have not said who is the worst in the region, for me they all play in the same division. Yes, Israel have a right to defend herself, all within the framework of international law. Whereas she don't do this, she is no way better than Syria or Egypt.

i also hardly ever see any buddhist bashing on this site...but for some reason jew bashers come to this site in waves on a semiregular basis...why?

could it be because the people engaging in this antizionism and jew bashing have a special hatred in their hearts towards the jewish people?
Mixing apples and oranges, are we? I guess you want it to be that way, so you can dream up that you have an excuse to scrub off critique against your lords as mere "antisemitism", something that you do need to listen to and at the same time take the golden opportunity to glory in how "good" you are who are not like these people. Buddhism is surely antichristian, but very few times will you find buddhists and their allies (they are quite a few in the US actually) coming with antichristian sentiments or having an ideology that says that christians must accept the buddhist state or the superiority of buddhism.

non christian religions that do not actively oppose christianity are not antichristian...see mark 9:40... they are simply non christian just like the rest of the unsaved world... they need the gospel...not condemnation...and especially not condemnation based on outrageous lies and false doctrine...
Judaism NOT antichristian!? Seriously? Gimme a break. Maybe you have your own private definition then of what the term antichristian means. I will go with the biblical defintion found for example in 1John 4:3 and 2John1:7. Here all forms of non-messianic judaism qualifies. Especially so talmudic or rabbinic judaism. Read the portions of Talmud and it's "love messages" about Christ and christians, as well as gentiles, and see for yourself. These people are sworn enemies to Christ AND christianity. They have a long track record of it.

Do I also have to mention the occultic kabbalah? The karaites, whether sefardic or turkic (especially the latter) are not that bad, but they, too, sort under same since they do not recognice Christ as the Son of the living God, the Messiah come in the flesh. Then we have some ultra-orthodox anti-zionist groups (according to you these jews are antisemites) who have some good critique against the state of Israel, but nevertheless they are still antichristian as long as they refuse to acknowledge that Jesus/Y'shua is the Christ/Messiah.

You are obviously very ignorant about historical facts and the actual ideology behind judaism (even about basics who are easily available). It seems more to me that you just parrot echo the "infos" you get from Fox News or directly from IDF and ADL. No research, no source critique, no objectivity. Of course it is meaningless to try to "discuss" with people who have already decided what is their "truth".

christians have their number one loyalty to -christ- and his commands...not to any other members of the 'club'...this is not a fraternity...if someone calls themselves a christian...yet they coddle and enable professing christians who do what christ has commanded against...then they betray christ...and -that- makes them antichristian...it means they are of the world and its wickedness...and not of the kingdom of God...
Nonsense. No one said that christianity is a "club" or that one should support an evil just because persons who profess to be a christian embraces it. Not at all. But this is not what this issue is about. In conflicts like this your first loyalty will always show up. It will show up if you are putting your fellow christians first or if you don't. It is that simple. For those who don't, then 1Tim.5:8 applies to them. As for yourself you have clearly stated that you side with the "world and its wickedness" in the form of antichristian zionism. Therefore I can only view your so called "rebukes" as hypocrisy.

if your first loyalty is to people who support a mass murderer...just because those people profess to be christians...then no we are not 'on the same board'...
Well, you are supporting people who don't even profess to be christians, that would have nothing to do with christianity and who actively works against it. And you are divisive in doing so, attacking those who don't agree with your views. And yet you complain about being questioned! Your problem is that you take yourself the freedom to do what you object to in others. One measurement for others, another one for yourself. The only thing that you are convincing of is how far astray you have walked. And that you have been deceived. Duped.

you are not standing with God's true people unless you are standing on God's commands...and you are not standing with the true church of christ unless you are standing on christ's teachings...
How dare you speak of "God's commands" and "Christ's teachings", which you so clearly dismiss here?

I can only say that I hope you don't know what you are doing.
 

loveme1

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I do not support the israel "state" zionism....

Yahvah God would achieve this if it was his will...

The only time the Hebrews were defeated was in their disobedience to Almighty Yahvah God....

They like all should Repent and accept Yahshua the Messiah to be part of the New Covenant of Yahvah God.

The Bible tells us how things come to pass.


Yahvah God does not need mankind, mankind needs Yahvah God and to be reconciled we accept Yahshua the Messiah into our heart.



All things have come to pass for the Harvest.

We will witness the result of disobedience...

We are blessed to have a Merciful, Loving Creator that did send Salvation to those that believe.


Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad

Complete whitewash of facts.
More hasbara garbage.
Refusal to acknowledge the major entity consistently performing acts of terrorism against their so-called greatest ally, The United States, and all others who they intend to tread underfoot.
Appalling willingness to side with the genocidal Harlot, the greatest haters in the world, posing as an inclusive democracy while in reality the worst fascist/racist nation on earth blackmailing and threatening the globe.
next....
well your antisemitism is really coming out into the open now...

israel intends to tread the united states underfoot? seriously?

israel is genocidal? since when? which ethnic groups has israel attempted to wipe out?

israelis are the greatest haters in the world? have you met any white supremacists lately? or have you looked in the mirror for that matter?

israel is the worst fascist and racist nation on earth? have you heard of zimbabwe?

this is all crazy talk...

and then the 'hasbara' accusation...you really need to seek professional treatment for your paranoid delusions...imagining these kinds of things isn't healthy...

what we have here false teaching and hate speech and flat out insanity all rolled into one...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Still either no clue of the machinations, or openly cooperating with the Great Harlot.
More hasbara apologism for the worst terrorist nation on earth.

I'm not losing, there's no debate.

You're pro-Israel at the expense of Christians,
So I will ignore you, provided you keep your word to ignore my posts.
You jumped on to this thread making creepy accusations that Middle Eastern Christians are idolators and rejected by God.

Followed by the worst kind of Israeli propaganda about who does what.

You'll deny things like The USS Liberty; The Lavon Affair; The bombing of the King David hotel by Israeli terrorists dressed like Palestinians; Israel's attack and murder of 3000 people on Sept 11.

You're a joke.
next....
the worst terrorist nation on earth? obviously you aren't very well read about what is actually going on in the world...get off the paranoid conspiracy websites and start reading books or something...maybe start with sudan...

i am pro israel when israel does the right thing...and i support christians when they do the right thing...when either one is in the wrong i will take issue...

i noticed a consistent pattern of unrepentance and persecution that you have not been able to disprove...instead what you have mainly done is to throw out distractions instead of dealing with the actual issue i raised...

i have not posted any israeli propaganda...i have only posted facts that any sane person can verify...

your claim that israel was responsible for the 9/11 attacks when osama bin laden and his fellow perpetrators -admitted- responsibility all on their own just shows how disconnected from reality you are...

God is not the author of your confusion...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Sadly for people like you, the truth is out there. That's why they have to legislate SILENCE. Impose prison and penalties, intimidate and threaten simply because the truth is coming out.
People like you will turn in your Christian neighbors for fear of the "jews"; or because of your PC indoctrination holding well. What a good little helper you are.
Unfaithful to Christ; if you EVER knew Him.

All your whining about antisemitism to cover up the crimes of the fascist nation of Israel (stolen from others on the laughable pretense the people who took it are Biblical Hebrews...another deception long ago debunked) is old and only a few still play that game. And they do so out of fear.

next...
i am not calling for any legislation of silence...nor any prison sentences or penalties...i am not making any threats or intimidating anyone...

if you want to keep making that accusation...genesis 31:37...put your proof here in front of everyone and let them judge...

i don't have any need to silence people like you...it is a lot simpler to lead everyone to see your views for the bigoted unchristian delusions they really are...and so far you have been quite cooperative there...

it is enough to keep you from deceiving others...and then let God judge you...

i see no reason to turn in any of the christians i know since i am not aware of any crimes having been committed by them...but i wonder...would you turn in a christian for murdering an israeli in cold blood?

genetic studies have disproved all the baseless claims that modern israelis are not descendants of the biblical jews...claims that all can be traced back to pseudoscientific racists and seriously false teachers in the 1800s...

nobody supports israel out of fear...i don't fear the jews...because i know that the jews are nothing to be afraid of...unlike you i don't have the spirit of fear that lurks behind all conspiracy theories...

you are showing everyone here that you are filled with a spirit of hate and a spirit of fear and a spirit of falsehood instead of the holy spirit...and tribesman's endorsement of your rants says the same thing about him...

matthew 7:15
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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[While this response of RachelBibleStudent sort under the kind of posts that I would normally ignore, plus putting such users in my iggy bin, I shall yet reply to this response. Not for the sake of expecting that her ears would hear anything, but for the sake of other readers who might be seeking or struggling with the issues brought up.]



That is nothing but a far fledged extremist opinion. Not even many hardcore zionists would say that antizionism=antisemitism by necessity, you even trump them in your fanaticism. Interestingly you must then also label many distinct and intellectual antizionist jews as antisemites.

Yes, it IS ironic that Israel now does the same thing towards others that she complains of having been done against herself so much. It is ironic that her allies so easily put labels on people once these people surface the slightest critique against Israel. They will yell with a loud voice "antisemite!" much in the same manner as the papists once labeled Galileo "heretic" for saying that the earth is round, not flat. Ironic, for sure.

None here (not me, at least) have suggested that jews should not be allowed to have their own state. (By the way, there are many hundreds of peoples who have a right to a homeland and yet have none). Instead of speedily yelling antisemite to people who dissent from your views you might want to learn what they mean first. I personally believe in the two-state solution (which the israelis have not respected) and that the jewish state should be secular and can have no religous legacy at all. It is not the fulfillment of any biblical prophecies. It is all about politics, not religion.

So it seems we might even have the same position on the nature of the israeli state. So, you assumed something incorrect about my views out of the blue, based on nothing else than your own slandering and accusation. Which, of course, makes a serious discussion impossible. I think your approach is not only rude but also very unwise. If you were rationally minded you could have asked me: what do you believe concerning the legacy of the state of Israel. That is how decent and normal communication works.

You are just justifying yourself and your slandering. Because you are the one who question the christianity of those who disagree with your views on Israel. As long as you do so, then expect nothing else than tit-for-tat.

Again, none here (at least not me) have argued that any people should be deprived of a homeland. But maybe you should read up on the historical background of the israeli state and the saudi state. You might see it's not so easy to compare them.

Your ranting of "antisemitism" came as the antichristian foundation of your lords was pointed out. In no way did my remarks exclude the fact that hatred is also turned against jews from muslim arabs. I am not a supporter of Hamas. Again, you assume things with no bearing. *sighs* What upsets you is that I don't join the fanatic choir who fabulate about Israel being so much more better and "democratic" than her neighbours in this regard. I have not said who is the worst in the region, for me they all play in the same division. Yes, Israel have a right to defend herself, all within the framework of international law. Whereas she don't do this, she is no way better than Syria or Egypt.

Mixing apples and oranges, are we? I guess you want it to be that way, so you can dream up that you have an excuse to scrub off critique against your lords as mere "antisemitism", something that you do need to listen to and at the same time take the golden opportunity to glory in how "good" you are who are not like these people. Buddhism is surely antichristian, but very few times will you find buddhists and their allies (they are quite a few in the US actually) coming with antichristian sentiments or having an ideology that says that christians must accept the buddhist state or the superiority of buddhism.

Judaism NOT antichristian!? Seriously? Gimme a break. Maybe you have your own private definition then of what the term antichristian means. I will go with the biblical defintion found for example in 1John 4:3 and 2John1:7. Here all forms of non-messianic judaism qualifies. Especially so talmudic or rabbinic judaism. Read the portions of Talmud and it's "love messages" about Christ and christians, as well as gentiles, and see for yourself. These people are sworn enemies to Christ AND christianity. They have a long track record of it.

Do I also have to mention the occultic kabbalah? The karaites, whether sefardic or turkic (especially the latter) are not that bad, but they, too, sort under same since they do not recognice Christ as the Son of the living God, the Messiah come in the flesh. Then we have some ultra-orthodox anti-zionist groups (according to you these jews are antisemites) who have some good critique against the state of Israel, but nevertheless they are still antichristian as long as they refuse to acknowledge that Jesus/Y'shua is the Christ/Messiah.

You are obviously very ignorant about historical facts and the actual ideology behind judaism (even about basics who are easily available). It seems more to me that you just parrot echo the "infos" you get from Fox News or directly from IDF and ADL. No research, no source critique, no objectivity. Of course it is meaningless to try to "discuss" with people who have already decided what is their "truth".

Nonsense. No one said that christianity is a "club" or that one should support an evil just because persons who profess to be a christian embraces it. Not at all. But this is not what this issue is about. In conflicts like this your first loyalty will always show up. It will show up if you are putting your fellow christians first or if you don't. It is that simple. For those who don't, then 1Tim.5:8 applies to them. As for yourself you have clearly stated that you side with the "world and its wickedness" in the form of antichristian zionism. Therefore I can only view your so called "rebukes" as hypocrisy.

Well, you are supporting people who don't even profess to be christians, that would have nothing to do with christianity and who actively works against it. And you are divisive in doing so, attacking those who don't agree with your views. And yet you complain about being questioned! Your problem is that you take yourself the freedom to do what you object to in others. One measurement for others, another one for yourself. The only thing that you are convincing of is how far astray you have walked. And that you have been deceived. Duped.

How dare you speak of "God's commands" and "Christ's teachings", which you so clearly dismiss here?

I can only say that I hope you don't know what you are doing.
zionism is the view that jews have a right to their own secure and sovereign state in their ancestral homeland...so logically antizionism is the view that jews have no such right...and unless it is coupled with a rejection of the concept of sovereign statehood in general...it is antisemitism...

you seem surprised at the idea that there might be antisemitic jews...but the truth is that pretty much every ethnic group has a 'self loathing' fringe...for example see the russian boris stomakhin's hate speech against the russian people...

i have no problem with legitimate critiques of israeli policy...for example those who say that the west bank settlement expansion needs to stop for the sake of a future peace...but legitimate critiques aren't what people like you are presenting...instead you are throwing out misinformed conspiracy theories and lopsided criticism...

if you really support a two state solution...then why do you try to portray every attempt by israelis to defend their state against aggressors as some great evil? is it your idea of a two state solution to have a passive israel that can be bullied just like the jews in medieval europe were? does your idea of a two state solution include an israel constantly under siege from suicide bombing and missile fire by those who refuse to accept its existence?

also you 'liked' edward99's posts which included a lot of vile baseless accusations and paranoid conspiracy delusions...i assumed from your endorsement of his posts that you agreed with those views... if you didn't agree with him...then i suggest being more careful of what you 'like' in the future...

and i will point out again that you made no attempt to expose the persecution of jews by muslims and arabs until i called you out of antisemitism...why wasn't your supposed evenhandedness evident from the start?

the israelis are not my 'lords'...but they have my support when they do the right thing... why do you slander and lie so much? we know who the father of lies is...

debating how israel and its neighbors compare in terms of democracy and respect for human rights would probably be fruitless...so i will just point out that you 'liked' posts where edward99 called israel 'more antichrist than the other nations in the region' and so on... you will have to excuse me for thinking that your sudden new claim that you view all the players in the region as equally bad sounds like a hastily made up lie to conceal what you actually think...

there are states where buddhism or hinduism are the official religions...yet there are no antibhutanists or antinepalists coming out of the woodwork all the time saying it is antichristian to accept the right of those states to determine their own religious status... all we ever get is antizionists eager to call anyone antichristian if they suggest that a jewish state isn't the embodiment of evil...

your definition of 'antichristian' is unscriptural...the scriptures you cited say that to deny that jesus christ has come in the flesh is what makes someone an antichrist...this is what the gnostics did when they taught falsely that jesus was some sort of spiritual apparition without any physical flesh...that is what this passage is condemning...

jews on the other hand don't deny that jesus came in the flesh...in fact they believe that jesus was nothing but a man...the same goes for most other religions and even some christian heretics...

your claim that jesus christ is spoken against in the talmud is an old myth that was used to stir up antisemitism in europe...i have addressed the supposed references to jesus in the talmud in past threads...to make a long story short i showed that none of these supposed references to jesus actually agree with even the most basic descriptions of the historical jesus and his life...

you accuse me of being ignorant of historical facts but you said near the beginning of your post that galileo was called a heretic for teaching that the world was round instead of flat... actually the roundness of the earth was not in question...galileo's controversial idea was the notion that the earth revolved around the sun instead of the other way around...and even then copernicus proposed the same thing without getting into any trouble with the authorities... galileo himself wrote that the main reason for his persecution was that he had personally insulted the pope in the heat of argument...

so much for ignorance of basic history...

lol you think i get my information directly from the israeli defense force? paranoid much?

it is plain for everyone to see that this whole debate started out by being about whether or not it is 'christian' to side with other professing christians or anyone else who does evil or supports evil...specifically whether or not it is christian to support a mass murderer...and whether or not it is christian to call for repentance on the part of professing christians who support a mass murderer...

so my 'first loyalty' that showed up was loyalty to christ and his word which clearly speaks out against murder... israel wasn't even part of the argument until you showed up and started in with the typical israel bashing... that was when you showed that -your- first loyalty was to unchristian antizionist hate...since it was the very first thing that came out of your mouth...

psalm 52
 
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Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad

well your antisemitism is really coming out into the open now....
I love the Arab and North African peoples. So your accusation is silly.
I reject your definition of Semite.

israel intends to tread the united states underfoot? seriously?.
Don't understand the scriptures, huh?
Can't see the forest for the trees, huh?

israel is genocidal? since when? which ethnic groups has israel attempted to wipe out?
Get your money back from your University. You were ripped off.
Go discover real history.
While you can.

Or you can continue in your Hasbara campaign and Unite with the Beast.
Look! They even tell you how!

Are you United with Israel?

Are you United with Israel? - YouTube

Behold the beast: and see the raison d' être for "social media". Worked like a charm for the "Arab Spring"
Ever read 1984?

israelis are the greatest haters in the world? have you met any white supremacists lately? or have you looked in the mirror for that matter?
Funny you should ask that. Read this over really slowly.

Israel enacts law allowing authorities to detain illegal migrants for up to 3 years

Until now, migrants caught by IDF have been transferred to the Saharonim detention facility in the south; Interior Minister says migrants do not recognize that Israel 'belongs to the white man.'


By Dana Weiler-Polak | Jun.03, 2012 | 2:10 PM | 18

A law granting Israeli authorities the power to detain illegal migrants for up to three years came into effect on Sunday, in the wake of widening public controversy over the influx of African migrants who cross into Israel along its border with Egypt.

The law makes illegal migrants and asylum seekers liable to jail, without trial or deportation, if caught staying in Israel for long periods. In addition, anyone helping migrants or providing them with shelter could face prison sentences of between five and 15 years.

The law amended the Prevention of Infiltration Law of 1954, passed to prevent the entry of Palestinians as part of emergency legislation. The law is expanded to address migrant workers or asylum seekers who enter Israel without posing a threat to Israel's security.

According to the law, migrant workers already here could be jailed for the most minor offense such as spraying graffiti or stealing a bicycle - infractions for which they would not have been detained before.

So far, all migrants who have been caught by the Israel Defense Forces on the Israel-Egypt border have been transferred to the Saharonim detention facility which holds 2,000 spaces.

The facility is currently being expanded to 5,400. The Interior Ministry has reported that they are implementing the amendment and will fill up Saharonim, where they will be held until the ministry "finds other solutions."

According to the Interior Ministry, the Saharonim detention center will run out of space within a month.

All those detained go through an identification process and a medical examination. Those who file for asylum receive a temporary visa to remain in Israel. Sudanese and Eritreans, however, are not allowed to file for asylum, although they are automatically eligible for temporary shelter and a one-way ticket to Tel Aviv. Some migrants continue independently to Arad or Eilat where they often have acquaintances.

According to the ministry, up to 60,000 African migrant currently live in Israel, with 2,031 entering in the month of May alone.

Human rights organizations see the amendment as a harsh step which contradicts the United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees (CRSR). According to the Hotline for Migrant Workers, the law was "born in sin" and is a "dark moment for Israel."

"Instead of acting like all civilized countries and verifying requests for asylum and granting refugee status to those who are eligible, which Israel is obligated to do under the UN convention, the state sees mass imprisonment of thousands of people, women and children, whose only offense was seeking escape from murderous regimes, as a solution to the problem. This solution will not solve a thing as it is neither humane nor effective.

In a statement, the Israel Prison Services said that it was ready to "take in as many illegal residents as come to its facilities, with the required detainment authority and according to time of detention."

"For this purpose, several wards outside Saharonim have been converted, and we will prepare according to need," the statement added.

Meanwhile on Sunday, Israeli daily Maariv published an interview with Interior Minister Eli Yishai, in which he stated that most of the "Muslims that arrive here do not even believe that this country belongs to us, to the white man."

Israel enacts law allowing authorities to detain illegal migrants for up to 3 years Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Israel for JEWS ONLY, and now for WHITE JEWS only?
huh.

and then the 'hasbara' accusation...you really need to seek professional treatment for your paranoid delusions...imagining these kinds of things isn't healthy...

what we have here false teaching and hate speech and flat out insanity all rolled into one...
Sure.
Who was Vladimir Lenin?
Who funded him?

What about Lev Bronstein? Know who he was?
Who planned and funded his adventures? Need help?

Why was "antisemitism" immediately made a capital crime under Bolshevism (Red Terror)?

What about Stalin?
Do you know what Holodomor is?

What do you make of this RachelBibleStudent? Ever heard of it?

Ukraine’s President Yuschenko Pressures Israel On Genocide Recognition

Kiev, Ukraine
Vladimir Matveyev
JTA Wire Service

After the president of the European Jewish Congress canceled a planned trip to a ceremony in Ukraine to protest the government’s silence, Yuschenko met with Jewish leaders to assuage their concerns and affirm his government’s commitment to fighting anti-Semitism.

But Jewish leaders fear Yuschenko will link his government’s fight against anti-Semitism, neo-Nazism and Holocaust denial to Israel’s recognition of the Ukrainian famine of 1932-33 as genocide.

Israel is unlikely to recognize the Holodomor as genocide because such a declaration inevitably would harm Israel’s ties with the Kremlin, which Ukraine accuses of having orchestrated the famine to destroy Ukraine, the Soviet Union’s bread basket, as a viable political entity.

An estimated 3 to 4 million people died during the great famine, which also struck parts of Russia and Kazakhstan and resulted from Stalin’s policies of agricultural collectivization.

In Ukraine, Stalin’s campaign destroyed a significant part of the Ukrainian peasantry, virtually eliminated Ukraine’s clergy and resulted in the mass imprisonment and execution of Ukrainian intellectuals.

Yushchenko has pressed the genocide issue since taking office in 2005, and last year Ukraine’s parliament recognized the famine as genocide. More than two dozen other countries have recognized the Holodomor as genocide, but UNESCO has stopped short of that definition. Russia calls it a “tragedy” but not genocide.

Aside from Zissels and Aleksandr Feldman, a parliament member and president of the Jewish Foundation of Ukraine, most Ukrainian Jewish leaders do not support recognizing the Holodomor as genocide.

Jewish leaders say it is unfair to link the Holodomor and the Holocaust, which Yuschenko reportedly plans to do by introducing a bill in the Ukrainian parliament that would recognize both the Jews’ suffering during the Holocaust and the suffering of the Ukrainian nation in the Holodomor.

“We regret the tragedy of the Ukrainian people, but Yuschenko can’t equate the Holocaust and the tragedy of the Holodomor in Ukraine,” said Rabbi Yaakov Dov Bleich, one of Ukraine’s chief rabbis.

Baltimore Jewish Times - International News | Ukraine’s President Yuschenko Pressures Israel On Genocide Recognition



What is censorship a sign of?

Remember this (which you didn't address)?:

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)


Do you know who Madeleine Albright is? (hint: see Lenin)

I'll ask again: Do "we" think the price (1/2 million dead Iraqi children under US sanctions "is worth it"?

What is "it"?

(hint: Welcome to the Project for the New American Century)

In any case...Let's see if any of the rest of your hysteria and antichristian sentiment continues....


oh...and what gave you the idea I'm "white"?
 
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The catholic church is of an evil agenda, you will soon see how it ties in with your "us-nato information"....

Once again the catholic church is part of a much wider evil rebellion.....

Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
I know how it works.
I've read the Book.
And I see from reading further, you do too. Bravo.

My issue with you has been: why are you so hard on Catholic peoples who may or may not believe in their hearts what their institution teaches/stands for?

That's like holding all jews responsible for what The Great Harlot does.

We ought not to do either.
More on this in your next post.
 
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systemdown101

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#75
Your ranting of "antisemitism" came as the antichristian foundation of your lords was pointed out.
Generally speaking, anyone who posts

Maybe it has something to do with the agenda of a very powerful ethnic group, with great power in Hollywood, who are not of the christian religion. ;)
Well ...
 
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the worst terrorist nation on earth? obviously you aren't very well read about what is actually going on in the world...get off the paranoid conspiracy websites and start reading books or something...maybe start with sudan...
LOL!
Sudan. Yes. The great tragedy.
Find out who is behind it.

i am pro israel when israel does the right thing...and i support christians when they do the right thing...when either one is in the wrong i will take issue....
We're very fortunate to have such a sage among us.
Too bad you get all your information from the wrong sources.

Which war criminal did YOU vote for in the last election RachelBibleStudent?

i noticed a consistent pattern of unrepentance and persecution that you have not been able to disprove..
Unrepentance = persecution for Christians...hmm...what an odd religion you claim.

You may want to pay particular attention to the first two passages:

2 Corinthians 4
7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves; 8we are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not despairing; 9persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. 11For we who live are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12So death works in us, but life in you.

Galatians 4
28And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.

30But what does the Scripture say?
“CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”

31So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.


2 Timothy 3:12
Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

John 15
"Remember the word that I said to you, 'A slave is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also.

Acts 14:22
strengthening the disciples and encouraging them to remain true to the faith. "We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God," they said.

1 Corinthians 4:12
We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it;

i have not posted any israeli propaganda...i have only posted facts that any sane person can verify.
your claim that israel was responsible for the 9/11 attacks when osama bin laden and his fellow perpetrators -admitted- responsibility all on their own just shows how disconnected from reality you are...
God is not the author of your confusion...
Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11

Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11 - YouTube

1:40

"Our purpose was to document the event.."
"Our purpose was to document the event.."
"Our purpose was to document the event.."
"Our purpose was to document the event.."
"Our purpose was to document the event.."

Former FBI Translator: Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Right Up Until 9/11
Former FBI Translator: Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Right Up Until 9/11 - Washington's Blog



Arise O sleeper, and Christ will shine on you.
 
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i am not calling for any legislation of silence...nor any prison sentences or penalties...i am not making any threats or intimidating anyone...
Anti-Zionism as Anti-Semitism
Anti-Zionism as Anti-Semitism

New antisemitism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
New antisemitism is the concept that a new form of antisemitism has developed in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, emanating simultaneously from the far-left, radical Islam, and the far-right, and tending to manifest itself as opposition to Zionism and the State of Israel. The concept generally posits that much of what purports to be criticism of Israel by various individuals and world bodies, is, in fact, tantamount to demonization, and that, together with an alleged international resurgence of attacks on Jews and Jewish symbols, and an increased acceptance of antisemitic beliefs in public discourse, such demonization represents an evolution in the appearance of antisemitic beliefs.

A new phenomenon
Irwin Cotler, Professor of Law at McGill University and a leading scholar of human rights, has identified nine sets of what he consideres to be "new anti-Semitism"[13]:
Genocidal anti-Semitism - The public calls for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people.
Political anti-Semitism - The denial of the Jewish people's right to self-determination; The de-legitimization of Israel as a state; The attributions to Israel of all the world's evils.
Ideological anti-Semitism - The comparison between Zionism and Racism to "Nazify" Israel.
Theological anti-Semitism - The convergence of Islamic anti-Semitism and Christian "replacement" theology, drawing on classical hatred of Jews.
Cultural anti-Semitism - The mixture of attitudes, sentiments, and discourse of "fashionable" salon intellectuals.
Economic anti-Semitism - BDS movements and extra-territorial application of restrictive covenants against countries trading with Israel.
Holocaust denial
Racist terrorism against Jews
Denial to Israel of equality before the law in the international arena - The differential and discriminatory treatment for Israel in the international arena.

A political ploy to stifle criticism of Israel
Norman Finkelstein argues that organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League have brought forward charges of new antisemitism at various intervals since the 1970s, "not to fight antisemitism but rather to exploit the historical suffering of Jews in order to immunize Israel against criticism".[27] He writes that most evidence purporting to show a new antisemitism has been taken from organizations that are linked in some way to Israel, or that have "a material stake in inflating the findings of anti-Semitism," and that some antisemitic incidents reported in recent years either did not occur or were misidentified.[28] As an example of the misuse of the term "antisemitism," he cites the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia's 2003 report, which included displays of the Palestinian flag, support for the PLO, and the comparisons between Israel and apartheid-era South Africa in its list of antisemitic activities and beliefs.[29]

Norman Finkelstein writes that anger at what he calls "Israel's brutal occupation has undoubtedly slipped over to an animus against Jews generally," which he describes as "lamentable" but "hardly cause for wonder."[30]
He writes that what is called the new antisemitism consists of three components: (i) "exaggeration and fabrication"; (ii) "mislabeling legitimate criticism of Israeli policy"; and (iii) "the unjustified yet predictable spillover from criticism of Israel to Jews generally."[31] He argues that Israel's apologists have denied a causal relationship between Israeli policies and hostility toward Jews, since "if Israeli policies, and widespread Jewish support for them, evoke hostility toward Jews, it means that Israel and its Jewish supporters might themselves be causing anti-Semitism; and it might be doing so because Israel and its Jewish supporters are in the wrong".[32]

genetic studies have disproved all the baseless claims that modern israelis are not descendants of the biblical jews...claims that all can be traced back to pseudoscientific racists and seriously false teachers in the 1800s...
The Biblical Hebrews were very dark-skinned people. often mistaken for egyptians
The Bible itself provides all the evidence one needs.

nobody supports israel out of fear...i don't fear the jews...because i know that the jews are nothing to be afraid of...unlike you i don't have the spirit of fear that lurks behind all conspiracy theories..

you are showing everyone here that you are filled with a spirit of hate and a spirit of fear and a spirit of falsehood instead of the holy spirit...and tribesman's endorsement of your rants says the same thing about him...

matthew 7:15
You support Israel out of a spirit of fear of your PEERS.
Nothing new under the sun.

You look for the praise of men, not of Christ.
 
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zionism is the view that jews have a right to their own secure and sovereign state in their ancestral homeland..
God decided that in 70Ad. Who are YOU to deny that judgment?

so logically antizionism is the view that jews have no such right...and unless it is coupled with a rejection of the concept of sovereign statehood in general...it is antisemitism....
Says you and Alan Dershowitz.
Since when where unbelieving jews (Talmudic converts or not) allowed back to Jerusalem?
Is the Promise dirt? Or is it Christ?

you seem surprised at the idea that there might be antisemitic jews...but the truth is that pretty much every ethnic group has a 'self loathing' fringe...for example see the russian boris stomakhin's hate speech against the russian people....
UGH.
There's no end to your duplicity.
There's hope then that you might become a self-loathing American Imperialist doing the bidding of AIPAC.

i have no problem with legitimate critiques of israeli policy...for example those who say that the west bank settlement expansion needs to stop for the sake of a future peace...but legitimate critiques aren't what people like you are presenting...instead you are throwing out misinformed conspiracy theories and lopsided criticism...

if you really support a two state solution...then why do you try to portray every attempt by israelis to defend their state against aggressors as some great evil? is it your idea of a two state solution to have a passive israel that can be bullied just like the jews in medieval europe were? does your idea of a two state solution include an israel constantly under siege from suicide bombing and missile fire by those who refuse to accept its existence?

also you 'liked' edward99's posts which included a lot of vile baseless accusations and paranoid conspiracy delusions...i assumed from your endorsement of his posts that you agreed with those views... if you didn't agree with him...then i suggest being more careful of what you 'like' in the future...

and i will point out again that you made no attempt to expose the persecution of jews by muslims and arabs until i called you out of antisemitism...why wasn't your supposed evenhandedness evident from the start?

the israelis are not my 'lords'...but they have my support when they do the right thing... why do you slander and lie so much? we know who the father of lies is...

debating how israel and its neighbors compare in terms of democracy and respect for human rights would probably be fruitless...so i will just point out that you 'liked' posts where edward99 called israel 'more antichrist than the other nations in the region' and so on... you will have to excuse me for thinking that your sudden new claim that you view all the players in the region as equally bad sounds like a hastily made up lie to conceal what you actually think...

there are states where buddhism or hinduism are the official religions...yet there are no antibhutanists or antinepalists coming out of the woodwork all the time saying it is antichristian to accept the right of those states to determine their own religious status... all we ever get is antizionists eager to call anyone antichristian if they suggest that a jewish state isn't the embodiment of evil...

your definition of 'antichristian' is unscriptural...the scriptures you cited say that to deny that jesus christ has come in the flesh is what makes someone an antichrist...this is what the gnostics did when they taught falsely that jesus was some sort of spiritual apparition without any physical flesh...that is what this passage is condemning...

jews on the other hand don't deny that jesus came in the flesh...in fact they believe that jesus was nothing but a man...the same goes for most other religions and even some christian heretics...

your claim that jesus christ is spoken against in the talmud is an old myth that was used to stir up antisemitism in europe...i have addressed the supposed references to jesus in the talmud in past threads...to make a long story short i showed that none of these supposed references to jesus actually agree with even the most basic descriptions of the historical jesus and his life...

you accuse me of being ignorant of historical facts but you said near the beginning of your post that galileo was called a heretic for teaching that the world was round instead of flat... actually the roundness of the earth was not in question...galileo's controversial idea was the notion that the earth revolved around the sun instead of the other way around...and even then copernicus proposed the same thing without getting into any trouble with the authorities... galileo himself wrote that the main reason for his persecution was that he had personally insulted the pope in the heat of argument...

so much for ignorance of basic history...

lol you think i get my information directly from the israeli defense force? paranoid much?

it is plain for everyone to see that this whole debate started out by being about whether or not it is 'christian' to side with other professing christians or anyone else who does evil or supports evil...specifically whether or not it is christian to support a mass murderer...and whether or not it is christian to call for repentance on the part of professing christians who support a mass murderer...

so my 'first loyalty' that showed up was loyalty to christ and his word which clearly speaks out against murder... israel wasn't even part of the argument until you showed up and started in with the typical israel bashing... that was when you showed that -your- first loyalty was to unchristian antizionist hate...since it was the very first thing that came out of your mouth...

psalm 52
All garbage.
The Nation of Israel has a ONE STATE solution, with equal rights for all, or it is doomed.

(which it is...haven't you read? It is written).

Before I place your username on ignore, tell me: what great Civil Liberties organization is behind the removal of Christianity from this once Christ honoring nation? The same one that shills for Israel, who says Israel is for WHITE JEWS ONLY?

Enough with you.
Away.
 
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systemdown101

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No kidding!
Everybody knows gentiles operate Hollywood.
Well, duh! I mean, who would make generalizations against the Jews as to what they believe, own or do? I mean, next thing you know, people would be saying that all Catholics support child abuse because the leadership at the very top condoned it. And that would be wrong!