Were COVID vaccines created to kill and maim?

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wolfwint said:
Well, and the same you should do with the covidinfections.
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But, of course - because it was deliberately foisted on the world population.

However, the "vaccines" are by far the more horrendous crime.
 
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wolfwint said:
What i mean is. Since the vaccine is there I become to hear how bad and evil and deadly it is to be vaccined. And many time was and in investet to proof it - without an result.
There is no researching how many lives are saved or health is/was not so damaged because the vaccine was given.
The main purpose is to look what is bad, but not what is good.
I suppose this is a human nature problem.
But it is vasting time. For what?
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That is because the issue is not "the vaccine" the issue is they are mandating an experimental vaccine with very serious potential adverse effects.

If I am someone most at risk from the virus then I might be willing to accept those risks, however, there are people who have a miniscule risk from the virus and they also are being forced to get the vaccine if they want to go to the school or keep their job or eat at local restaurants, etc.

Suppose I am one of these very many young, healthy athletes who got the vaccine and now have myocarditis. I might have had next to 0 risk from the virus, why were they forced to get the vaccine? Nadal could not play tennis in Australia or the US if he didn't get it, and now he has heart problems and difficulty breathing. The world's #1 tennis player. Why wasn't he allowed to make a choice without being forced?

Djokovic chose not to get the vaccine and they are trying to end his career. That is the issue.
 
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That is because the issue is not "the vaccine" the issue is they are mandating an experimental vaccine with very serious potential adverse effects.

If I am someone most at risk from the virus then I might be willing to accept those risks, however, there are people who have a miniscule risk from the virus and they also are being forced to get the vaccine if they want to go to the school or keep their job or eat at local restaurants, etc.

Suppose I am one of these very many young, healthy athletes who got the vaccine and now have myocarditis. I might have had next to 0 risk from the virus, why were they forced to get the vaccine? Nadal could not play tennis in Australia or the US if he didn't get it, and now he has heart problems and difficulty breathing. The world's #1 tennis player. Why wasn't he allowed to make a choice without being forced?

Djokovic chose not to get the vaccine and they are trying to end his career. That is the issue.
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Well, my expieriences the last 2 years is that it makes no sense to discuss with people who are against the vaccine.
The virus itself is many times deathlier and health taking then the vaccine. This is the fact. And thats why the vaccine. To wait 5 to 10 years to use a vaccine with 10 years expieriences may be wishful. But would be to late for the people who will get the virus in the meantime.
We can be glad that the virus is not much more deathlier as it could be.

You mentioned Sports. I like soccer. In germany they allmost all vaccined and i dont know any of them who got problems. But I know a number which got problems because of the virusinfection.
Also in my job in hospital. There is no coworker who hot problems becausecof the vaccine., but becausecof a virusinfection.

Of course their is a risk with the vaccine. But this risk is minimal to the risk of the virus.

If you agree or not.
 
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GaryA said:
But, of course - because it was deliberately foisted on the world population.

However, the "vaccines" are by far the more horrendous crime.
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This is your meaning. I cant see this.
 
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wolfwint said:
Well, my expieriences the last 2 years is that it makes no sense to discuss with people who are against the vaccine.
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I don't know anyone who is against the vaccine. I was a teacher and had all my shots which were required to teach.

wolfwint said:
The virus itself is many times deathlier and health taking then the vaccine. This is the fact. And thats why the vaccine. To wait 5 to 10 years to use a vaccine with 10 years expieriences may be wishful. But would be to late for the people who will get the virus in the meantime.
We can be glad that the virus is not much more deathlier as it could be.

You mentioned Sports. I like soccer. In germany they allmost all vaccined and i dont know any of them who got problems. But I know a number which got problems because of the virusinfection.
Also in my job in hospital. There is no coworker who hot problems becausecof the vaccine., but becausecof a virusinfection.

Of course their is a risk with the vaccine. But this risk is minimal to the risk of the virus.

If you agree or not.
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Well then if you are right you would be very happy to have these people go through the 55,000 documents released by Pfizer because it will back up what you call "a fact".

That said even if the vaccine is less deadly than the virus it doesn't justify mandating it.

The one fact that everyone agrees on, whether Right wing, left wing, CDC, FDA, WHO, or whoever, is that this virus mainly killed the elderly and infirm. If you were young and healthy you had a very, very small risk.

Not only so, but we know that if you had already recovered from the virus that is a better immunity than the vaccine. I even have a videotape of Fauci saying that. So then, there was no scientific basis to mandate this to people who had recovered from Covid.
 
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I don't know anyone who is against the vaccine. I was a teacher and had all my shots which were required to teach.


Well then if you are right you would be very happy to have these people go through the 55,000 documents released by Pfizer because it will back up what you call "a fact".

That said even if the vaccine is less deadly than the virus it doesn't justify mandating it.

The one fact that everyone agrees on, whether Right wing, left wing, CDC, FDA, WHO, or whoever, is that this virus mainly killed the elderly and infirm. If you were young and healthy you had a very, very small risk.

Not only so, but we know that if you had already recovered from the virus that is a better immunity than the vaccine. I even have a videotape of Fauci saying that. So then, there was no scientific basis to mandate this to people who had recovered from Covid.
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So then we should let die the older people?
Because the young brings the virus into the old people homes.
 
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This is mind boggling

https://rumble.com/v10digr-our-whol...-with-big-pharma-to-experiment-on-americ.html

Don't see any of the big journalist organizations all over this document dump by Pfizer.

Instead we see 2500 volunteers and 240 lawyers organized by Naomi Wolf

The biggest story of the 21st century

100s of insiders, HHS apparatus, Pfizer, they will all go down. Many, many doctors and nurses said they couldn't say anything or they would lose their job.

FDA saw these materials that this was causing heart damage in teenagers and despite that paid influencers to talk about getting their kids vaccinated.

Initial findings --> 3-4 reports up on dailyclout.io

1. Limited efficacy -- they knew it didn't work.

Dr. Naomi Wolf on GETTR

https://rumble.com/v101ubq-naomi-wo...-concealed.-they-redacted.-and-the-fda-k.html

They hid, they concealed, they redacted and the FDA knew
 
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wolfwint said:
So then we should let die the older people?
Because the young brings the virus into the old people homes.
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What an idiotic thing to say. I am an old person, I hope that if I get sick I get good care, but why should my being sick result in some 20 year old kid get mandated to take a vaccine he doesn't need and that then gives him myocarditis?

The reason no one wants to talk with you about this is because of these incredibly ugly and offensive comments like this.
 
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What an idiotic thing to say. I am an old person, I hope that if I get sick I get good care, but why should my being sick result in some 20 year old kid get mandated to take a vaccine he doesn't need and that then gives him myocarditis?

The reason no one wants to talk with you about this is because of these incredibly ugly and offensive comments like this.
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It makes no sense to discuss about it.
Stay with your meaning. And I stay with mine.

The vaccines are there for to protect the older and people with pre existing illness

Every unvaccined person with Covid is an risk.
With the vaccine you can reduce this risk.
 
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wolfwint said:
It makes no sense to discuss about it.
Stay with your meaning. And I stay with mine.

The vaccines are there for to protect the older and people with pre existing illness

Every unvaccined person with Covid is an risk.
With the vaccine you can reduce this risk.
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If this was about health then why not tell people:

1. There is a direct correlation between vitamin D and how severe you get sick. Simple, tell everyone to take vitamin D supplements and you greatly reduce the numbers in the ICU

2. Why not count those who have recovered from Covid among those giving you herd immunity instead of vilifying them?

3. HCQ works and has been proven to be safe and effective for 50 years. It costs $0.10 a pill. Instead of sending every American a face mask why not send them 6 pills and tell them if you feel you are coming down with the flu put this pill in a liter of water and drink that. Peer reviewed studies have been published showing that doing this at the very onset of Covid is about 75% effective at knocking it out. Both vitamin D and HCQ do not require prescriptions and can be given to anyone.

4. Why haven't they talked about how Quercetin and Zinc taken together can boost your immune system response to fight against viral infections?

5. Since obesity is a major comorbidity why not focus on dealing with the obesity crisis rather than mandating healthy children to get a vaccine they don't need?

6. If they are truly concerned about health why didn't they apologize for castigating Florida and other states for being "anti science" and hosting "super spreader events" when in fact the results showed they were not super spreader events, these states did best at protecting their residents, and the states that got the "gold standard" from Fauci did the worst.

7. If health was really the concern why did they politicize it? They mocked the use of HCQ. They vilified Florida. They fawned over Cuomo. In fact, everything they did was more harmful than helpful. We have peer reviewed studies that show the mask mandates were essentially useless at best and harmful at worst. Shutting down schools was catastrophic for childhood health both physical and mental. Shutting down the economy was also catastrophic to a wide percentage of the population. In fact no one believes anything they say anymore -- Covid deaths were so high and yet the Flu disappeared? People killed in car accidents had "Covid" as the cause of death on the death certificate?
 
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If this was about health then why not tell people:

1. There is a direct correlation between vitamin D and how severe you get sick. Simple, tell everyone to take vitamin D supplements and you greatly reduce the numbers in the ICU

2. Why not count those who have recovered from Covid among those giving you herd immunity instead of vilifying them?

3. HCQ works and has been proven to be safe and effective for 50 years. It costs $0.10 a pill. Instead of sending every American a face mask why not send them 6 pills and tell them if you feel you are coming down with the flu put this pill in a liter of water and drink that. Peer reviewed studies have been published showing that doing this at the very onset of Covid is about 75% effective at knocking it out. Both vitamin D and HCQ do not require prescriptions and can be given to anyone.

4. Why haven't they talked about how Quercetin and Zinc taken together can boost your immune system response to fight against viral infections?

5. Since obesity is a major comorbidity why not focus on dealing with the obesity crisis rather than mandating healthy children to get a vaccine they don't need?

6. If they are truly concerned about health why didn't they apologize for castigating Florida and other states for being "anti science" and hosting "super spreader events" when in fact the results showed they were not super spreader events, these states did best at protecting their residents, and the states that got the "gold standard" from Fauci did the worst.

7. If health was really the concern why did they politicize it? They mocked the use of HCQ. They vilified Florida. They fawned over Cuomo. In fact, everything they did was more harmful than helpful. We have peer reviewed studies that show the mask mandates were essentially useless at best and harmful at worst. Shutting down schools was catastrophic for childhood health both physical and mental. Shutting down the economy was also catastrophic to a wide percentage of the population. In fact no one believes anything they say anymore -- Covid deaths were so high and yet the Flu disappeared? People killed in car accidents had "Covid" as the cause of death on the death certificate?
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Says who?
Stay with your meaning. I work in hospital. I made my own expieriences.
In the net, mainstream or not you find many fake and manipulatet Informations.
Believe the sources which you want and hopely they spread the truth.
 
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wolfwint said:
Says who?
Stay with your meaning. I work in hospital. I made my own expieriences.
In the net, mainstream or not you find many fake and manipulatet Informations.
Believe the sources which you want and hopely they spread the truth.
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I already posted these peer reviewed studies on another thread about Covid for a "health worker who worked in German hospitals". This was posted about six months ago.
 
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I already posted these peer reviewed studies on another thread about Covid for a "health worker who worked in German hospitals". This was posted about six months ago.
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Maby it was to me under another name? Aidan1
 
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Many governments continue to mandate vaccination in defiance of the statistics on deaths and injuries. The European Union is only a small fraction of the world's nations but it is publishing data on deaths and serious adverse effects. Every vaccine should have been banned a long time ago. So for those who are unaware of what is really happening here are the raw facts. Extrapolate them to the population of the world and what we have is worldwide GENOCIDE.

PART I
Latest Data: COVID Vaccine Deaths, Injuries Soar!
Published on March 26, 2022
Written by vaccineimpact.com


41,834 DEAD, 3.9 million injured following COVID vaccinations in European Database as U.S. military deaths soar 1100 percent

The European (EEA and non-EEA countries) database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, verified by the European Medicines Agency (EMA), and they are now reporting 41,834 fatalities, and 3,900,241 injuries following injections of four experimental COVID-19 shots:
From the total of injuries recorded, almost half of them (1,814,420) are serious injuries.
“Seriousness provides information on the suspected undesirable effect; it can be classified as ‘serious’ if it corresponds to a medical occurrence that results in death, is life-threatening, requires inpatient hospitalisation, results in another medically important condition, or prolongation of existing hospitalisation, results in persistent or significant disability or incapacity, or is a congenital anomaly/birth defect.”​
A Health Impact News subscriber in Europe ran the reports for each of the four COVID-19 shots we are including here. It is a lot of work to tabulate each reaction with injuries and fatalities, since there is no place on the EudraVigilance system we have found that tabulates all the results.
Since we have started publishing this, others from Europe have also calculated the numbers and confirmed the totals.*


Here is the summary data through March 15, 2022.
Total reactions for the mRNA vaccine Tozinameran (code BNT162b2,Comirnaty) from BioNTech/ Pfizer: 19,239 deaths and 1,927,063 injuries to 15/03/2022
  • 57,858 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 275 deaths
  • 66,807 Cardiac disorders incl. 2,818 deaths
  • 587 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 59 deaths
  • 25,267 Ear and labyrinth disorders incl. 12 deaths
  • 2,336 Endocrine disorders incl. 8 deaths
  • 28,891 Eye disorders incl. 43 deaths
  • 145,849 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 739 deaths
  • 478,298 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 5,420 deaths
  • 2,191 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 102 deaths
  • 20,521 Immune system disorders incl. 105 deaths
  • 96,216 Infections and infestations incl. 2,050 deaths
  • 37,906 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 376 deaths
  • 47,460 Investigations incl. 536 deaths
  • 12,566 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 316 deaths
  • 224,082 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 240 deaths
  • 1,992 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 206 deaths
  • 309,159 Nervous system disorders incl. 2,042 deaths
  • 2,878 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 78 deaths
  • 275 Product issues incl. 3 deaths
  • 34,313 Psychiatric disorders incl. 225 deaths
  • 7,023 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 287 deaths
  • 81,931 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 6 deaths
  • 81,055 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 2,036 deaths
  • 87,104 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 158 deaths
  • 4,500 Social circumstances incl. 26 deaths
  • 23,111 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 225 deaths
  • 46,887 Vascular disorders incl. 848 deaths
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Absolute rubbish. The number of lives saved far outweighs any adverse reactions. Many of those deaths would have happened anyway. Many victims had preexisting health problems. There was a time when smallpox accounted for 30% of all deaths in the world. Vaccination ended the curse of smallpox. Vaccination has reduced the impact of diseases that used to be dreaded, such as Typhoid, Diptheria, Yellow Fever and others that this generation knows nothing about. Whooping Cough nearly killed me when I was very young. There was no vaccine. It killed a lot of kids and it caused great suffering for those who survived. It's still around because not everyone will vaccinate. People like you do not help.

I'm 70. I've had 3 COVID jabs and many other vaccinations as well. I'm not dead. I have no serious health issues. If I could be vaccinated against old age, I would be!
 
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vassal said:
You Can’t Hide the Dead Bodies” – Edward Dowd Testifies on Excess Deaths

Mar 7, 2024 | ALTERNATIVE NEWS

https://www.hopegirlblog.com/2024/0...odies-edward-dowd-testifies-on-excess-deaths/
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If the vaccines were designed to kill and maim, they are not very effective. I note that none these hysterical claims mention how many lives have been saved by vaccines. When I leave home and have to push the dead bodies away from my driveway, I'll start to think that there something to worry about. Until then, I won't be losing any sleep over the issue.

I had a heart condition before COVID. I'm 72, the age when health issues become more common. I'm still here, after 3 jabs. My wife also had heart issues going back 20 years. She's had two jabs. Yep, she's just fine.
 
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