Zimmerman Trial....divisive or definitive?

[Atwood]

The facts in the trial clearly and without question proved justice was served.

Well, SiM,
IMHO, it was a travesty of injustice:

Zimmerman from all indications was innocent, ambushed by a young man racist who called him by the N word and repeatedly bashed Zim's head against concrete. Then without evidence, without grand jury, a political special prosecutress appeased racists by prosecuting him. Zim spent jail time over this. Zim & his parents were probably reduced to poverty. When you use a bail bondsman, I think you lose 10 percent regardless. So that alone must have cost them $100,000. Legal expenses were probably over a million dollars. Will the family ever get that back? And Zim is likely to be killed at any moment by racists.

For me the moral of the story is, if you are going to carry a gun, you must also buy & carry something like a Kimber pepper-blaster with which to protect the gun. Carrying a gun means that in a fight you are probably going to be forced to use it lest the opponent grab it & use it on you. Had Zimmerman walked around with a Kimber pepper-blaster (or equivalent), probably no fight would have ensued. If you carry a gun, you simply have to have a really powerful pepper blaster like that. You do not want to be forced to shoot someone armed only with fists & concrete pavement.

 

[SonInMe]

I know it was Zimmerman's fault his head was getting bashed in by a thug. How dare he protect himself

 

[dcontroversal]

By now does it really matter....there will always be division as long as you have...

light and darkness
true and false
right and wrong
good and evil
day and night
etc.

HAHAH feel free to add your list to the above list HAHAH

 

[SonInMe]

This is why the Zimmerman trial was so definitive...

nothing much to do with Zimmeramn himself, but the perceptions and deceptions perpetrated by the left, either politically or in the media, clearly defined them as hatemongering bigots without a shred of credibility.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Black male murders innocent white person sitting on a bench minding his own business for no reason because “I feel like killing someone.”

Cibolo man charged in fatal beating at Amtrak station

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

In the mid to late 70's we used to go to Magic Mountain and ride the rides, dance with the girls, drink soft drinks, and goof around.

Drop your child off there today and he might be beaten into a coma or have his teeth knocked out by roving mobs of blacks.

“It was panic, mayhem, chaos,” said Walker. “Everyone was fearful. . .parents were very scared because we had no idea if our children were hurt or if they got in the middle of something.”

Zina Pierre is a family friend of the DuVal High School freshman whose skull was fractured. She says the boy was caught up in the Six Flags fight even though he didn’t want to be involved.

“His life is lying in the balance as a result of someone randomly hitting him,” said Pierre. “He was hit blindly by the perpetrators and he was staggering, trying to get up, and some else came along to finish the deed. He should be in school today. He shouldn’t be in the hospital.”

Doctors put him into an induced coma to prevent further brain stimulation that could complicate his injuries. Fortunately, police say the youth is expected to survive the attack.

The Six Flags fight resulted in a variety of injuries, from missing teeth to bruises and cuts. Some witnesses even say they saw someone wielding a knife. Police have not made any arrests yet and the incident is being investigated.

Six Flags Fight At Fright Fest Puts One Boy In A Coma [video]

[video=youtube_share;Q1rHG61ELIg]http://youtu.be/Q1rHG61ELIg[/video]

 

[Trinity33]

All I am going to say is two wrongs don't make a right! Jesus would be very disappointed in us as a society. He died for us...for us sinners...yet were so quick to judge wrongs and rights....a child died.....for taking the wrong route home. Another in the hospital for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.....all because people just have so much fear! Angry and meanness .It is very sad where we are in only 2000 years.....

 

[Standingwolf13]

So who wants to be the first one to rip out the flesh and grab the hammer seems that somehow you forgot CHRIST builds you up and he removes iniquities in all of us, who are we to say you forgot some JESUS.



[video=youtube;23-Zf9SmpT0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23-Zf9SmpT0[/video]

 

[Nautilus]

All I am going to say is two wrongs don't make a right! Jesus would be very disappointed in us as a society. He died for us...for us sinners...yet were so quick to judge wrongs and rights....a child died.....for taking the wrong route home. Another in the hospital for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.....all because people just have so much fear! Angry and meanness .It is very sad where we are in only 2000 years.....

It doesnt sound much better than 2000 years where people where nailing others to beams of wood as an act of execuition, not to mention romans sacrificing christians in gladiatorial pits. IN fcat I think you would be hard-pressed to find a time in the past 2000 years where one group wasn't doing horrible things to another group. Its the way of the world.

 

[Jamal]

Well, SiM,
IMHO, it was a travesty of injustice:

Zimmerman from all indications was innocent, ambushed by a young man racist who called him by the N word and repeatedly bashed Zim's head against concrete. Then without evidence, without grand jury, a political special prosecutress appeased racists by prosecuting him. Zim spent jail time over this. Zim & his parents were probably reduced to poverty. When you use a bail bondsman, I think you lose 10 percent regardless. So that alone must have cost them $100,000. Legal expenses were probably over a million dollars. Will the family ever get that back? And Zim is likely to be killed at any moment by racists.

Don't forget the millions of dollars that the attempted lynching of Zimmerman costed taxpayers. But, the worst damage done is to racial relations. But, indulging racial agitators, these agitators are empowered to cause more trouble in the future, including stirring up racial distrust and violence. Serious question, how many whites were murdered or assaulted by blacks as a result of the emotions stirred up by the attempted lynching of Zimmerman? BTW, this also destroyed Zimmerman's marriage, the police chief was forced to resign, etc.

For me the moral of the story is, if you are going to carry a gun, you must also buy & carry something like a Kimber pepper-blaster with which to protect the gun. Carrying a gun means that in a fight you are probably going to be forced to use it lest the opponent grab it & use it on you. Had Zimmerman walked around with a Kimber pepper-blaster (or equivalent), probably no fight would have ensued. If you carry a gun, you simply have to have a really powerful pepper blaster like that. You do not want to be forced to shoot someone armed only with fists & concrete pavement.

Zimmerman might be dead now if he only had pepper spray, unless he managed to use it before the fight. If pepper spray were used instead at the time the gun was used, Trayvon would have just kept his eyes shut as he continued to pound Zimmerman's head into the concrete.

No, the moral is the story is don't talk to police without a lawyer, and keep any 911 call short and too the point, "It's dark and rainy, and I see someone slowly meandering around the apartments here. Could you send a car out to make sure everthing is fine."

Another moral of the story is if there's enough danger to call 911, there's enough danger to not get out of your car to see where the hooded criminal is going.

Yet another moral, which doesn't exactly apply in this case, is if you shoot someone, don't call the police. At best, they retreive the body and take a few hours out of your day. At worst, you go to prison, even if you are innocent. You've got nothing to gain by calling the police, and everything to lose. Your civic duty isn't worth the lynch mob risk.

 

[Atwood]

Don't forget the millions of dollars that the attempted lynching of Zimmerman costed taxpayers. But, the worst damage done is to racial relations. But, indulging racial agitators, these agitators are empowered to cause more trouble in the future, including stirring up racial distrust and violence. Serious question, how many whites were murdered or assaulted by blacks as a result of the emotions stirred up by the attempted lynching of Zimmerman? BTW, this also destroyed Zimmerman's marriage, the police chief was forced to resign, etc.

Zimmerman might be dead now if he only had pepper spray, unless he managed to use it before the fight. If pepper spray were used instead at the time the gun was used, Trayvon would have just kept his eyes shut as he continued to pound Zimmerman's head into the concrete.

No, the moral is the story is don't talk to police without a lawyer, and keep any 911 call short and too the point, "It's dark and rainy, and I see someone slowly meandering around the apartments here. Could you send a car out to make sure everthing is fine."

Another moral of the story is if there's enough danger to call 911, there's enough danger to not get out of your car to see where the hooded criminal is going.

Yet another moral, which doesn't exactly apply in this case, is if you shoot someone, don't call the police. At best, they retreive the body and take a few hours out of your day. At worst, you go to prison, even if you are innocent. You've got nothing to gain by calling the police, and everything to lose. Your civic duty isn't worth the lynch mob risk.

Kimber pepper spray is not like your postman's dog pepper squirter, much more powerful. The opponent is not going to be able to breath. Shutting the eyes won't protect the attacker. You yourself will probably need to get away from the area after the blast. The idea is that Zim should have been walking around with such a pepper gun in his hand. I don't think TM would have attacked Zim with fists if he saw that in his hand. I think Zim may have had only 2 choices, shoot with the 9mm or be shot himself with his own gun. One needs a 3rd choice. But Zim would not have waited to use it until he was on his back on the pavement.

I don't see how you can avoid calling 911 after you shoot someone, unless someone else is there to do it. The man you shoot might be saved by the paramedics. You might get charged with manslaughter for not calling. And cell phone cameras are ubiquitous; the possibility that you are on candid camera is large. A bullet in a body can lead to a match with your gun. You will have gun powder on your body. So what to say & how to say it to 911 is a topic to study in advance if you carry a gun or think you might use one in your home for defense.

One really does not want to shoot someone with a gun. It is best to have an alternative course of action; not that you always will have such an alternative.

 

[Atwood]

All I am going to say is two wrongs don't make a right! Jesus would be very disappointed in us as a society. He died for us...for us sinners...yet were so quick to judge wrongs and rights....a child died.....for taking the wrong route home. Another in the hospital for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.....all because people just have so much fear! Angry and meanness .It is very sad where we are in only 2000 years.....

Greetings Trinity,

I don't understand your post.
What do you mean, "a child died"?
Do you refer to a tall over 17 years old young man, football player?
"for taking the wrong route home"?

As I understand it, TM got home; then he doubled back to ambush Zim.

As to mankind, indeed there is none who does righteousness, no not one.
This is a world of sinners, hateful persons.

I can't see that the Lord is disappointed in the depravity of man. God is not deluded that man is good. And we should not be disappointed either; for if man were good & loving, then our Bible would be wrong, and the Lord Jesus would not be a Savior, as man would need no saving.

I don't see this as a matter of fear primarily.
I see it as a matter of racist pride -- how dare some white guy (actually Afro-Peruvian American) follow me and treat me as a criminal; I'll go teach the N* a lesson with my fists.

 

[Atwood]

In the mid to late 70's we used to go to Magic Mountain and ride the rides, dance with the girls

Nowadays they might go there to dance with the boys.

 

[Jamal]

Kimber pepper spray is not like your postman's dog pepper squirter, much more powerful. The opponent is not going to be able to breath.

I love hot peppers. I've even extracted capsaicin to make extra-hot sauces. I wouldn't want to bet my life on the stopping power of the irritation of even the hottest pepper spray. Trayvon Martin probably wouldn't tolerate pepper spray half as well as I would, but he had adrenaline to help make up for that. And, once he's on top, he doesn't need his eyes to know where to hit. He might be coughing up a lung, but he could keep battering away, at full strength. And, your own ability to resist would be compromised, he'll know where he's going to hit, you won't.

I think pepper spray is great, before someone's sitting on top of you. And, it's better than nothing even then. But, I still wouldn't want to bet my life on it.

This doesn't apply in Zimmerman's case. But, if there's two attackers, after you nail the first one, the second is going to know to avoid your spray.

I don't see how you can avoid calling 911 after you shoot someone,

That would be on your property at night. If you shoot a burglar, there's unlikely to be a witness. If there's a witness, the witness will call police. Of course, it's best if you can find a way not to shoot. But, once you do shoot, news story after news story show it's best not to call police.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I hadn't considered that but now that you bring it up, I'm sure they have homosexual park dates at which the sodomites "the population most profoundly affected by HIV" spread HIV.

Nowadays they might go there to dance with the boys.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

It used to be the way of the pagan, then it was the way of the state atheist, but nowadays it's the way of the modern liberal... lol.

What percentage of street gang members and common criminals do you think are conservative Republicans? I'd say probably less than 2 percent.

The biggest threat to the black child on the streets of Chicago, Los Angeles, Baltimore, or any other American city, is not a bi racial Jewish Hispanic like George Zimmerman neighborhood watch captain violently attacked for wanting to ask a few questions, a police officer defending himself against a 290 lb 6'4" violent gang associated assault from an attacker who just committed a strong arm robbery and is walking down the middle of the street holding up traffic, or your average law abiding white person but rather another black or brown weaned in the rapidly failing liberal indoctrination system we call public education on years of moral relativism and a false leftist revised historical record designed to turn them all into angry anti-white "victim"-perpetuators.

Liberals are, by far, statistically the greatest threat to both other liberals and, of course, non-liberals as well.

It doesnt sound much better than 2000 years where people where nailing others to beams of wood as an act of execuition, not to mention romans sacrificing christians in gladiatorial pits. IN fcat I think you would be hard-pressed to find a time in the past 2000 years where one group wasn't doing horrible things to another group. Its the way of the world.

 

[indomitable]

It used to be the way of the pagan, then it was the way of the state atheist, but nowadays it's the way of the modern liberal... lol.

What percentage of street gang members and common criminals do you think are conservative Republicans? I'd say probably less than 2 percent.

The biggest threat to the black child on the streets of Chicago, Los Angeles, Baltimore, or any other American city, is not a bi racial Jewish Hispanic like George Zimmerman neighborhood watch captain violently attacked for wanting to ask a few questions, a police officer defending himself against a 290 lb 6'4" violent gang associated assault from an attacker who just committed a strong arm robbery and is walking down the middle of the street holding up traffic, or your average law abiding white person but rather another black or brown weaned in the rapidly failing liberal indoctrination system we call public education on years of moral relativism and a false leftist revised historical record designed to turn them all into angry anti-white "victim"-perpetuators.

Liberals are, by far, statistically the greatest threat to both other liberals and, of course, non-liberals as well.

if zimmerman just wanted to "ask a few questions", then why didn't he? why didn't he even identify himself?

and here's a little tip that should counter some of the propaganda you are clearly hinting at: the biggest threat to whites is other white people.

white people are 2.4 times more likely to be attacked by other white people than by any of those other people you are clearly trying to portray as violent uneducated criminals.

take your white persecution rhetoric someplace more appropriate.

 

[Atwood]

Zimmerman:

Dispatch: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah.
^^^how is that self defense? that is aggression against an unarmed child who is walking home.

The evidence is consistent with the following:

Zimmerman evidently foolishly followed TM (not a child, but a tall over 17 years old, football player).
TM was not unarmed; he used the concrete for an arm.

Evidently Zim followed TM without any intent to do anything to TM other than track him as neighborhood watcher. There is no evidence of aggression from Zim.

TM got home, then in racist anger (calling Zim an N*), doubled back and ambushed Zim,
TM surprised Zim and assaulted Zim, who never returned one punch. TM was not walking home.
Zim was on his back having his brains beat out, head being pounded against concrete (an arm). Zim was in danger of TM shooting Zim with Zim's own gun.
Then it was self-defense for Zim to shoot, and he only shot one shot.

Let's stop repeating the misleading words:
child,
unarmed,
aggression (from Zim),
walking home.

I never saw such a weak case produced by a prosecutor.
Even the state's witnesses supported Zim.
This was a racist attempt at lynching.
Zim's face and head tell the story.
The only bruises on TM were on his knuckles.
It is incredibly racist for persons whose pigment match TM's pigment to support TM in this.
Zim was not the racist, an Afro-peruvian American.

 

[Atwood]

I love hot peppers.

I suggest you read up on the Kimber pepper blaster (not "sprayer").

Do you have any experience with pepper spray? Aside from the blaster, I tried a more potent spray (not the Kimber blaster), & found that spraying it forward caused me get an unpleasant dose from behind. I sure wanted & did get away from there.

I guarantee you that you wouldn't love the Blaster blasting you in the face. I am confident that you wouldn't be able to do a thing but get away. If it went off in a room, you would get out of the room.

You do need a device like this if you have a concealed permit & carry a firearm.

 

[Nautilus]

It used to be the way of the pagan, then it was the way of the state atheist, but nowadays it's the way of the modern liberal... lol.

What percentage of street gang members and common criminals do you think are conservative Republicans? I'd say probably less than 2 percent.

The biggest threat to the black child on the streets of Chicago, Los Angeles, Baltimore, or any other American city, is not a bi racial Jewish Hispanic like George Zimmerman neighborhood watch captain violently attacked for wanting to ask a few questions, a police officer defending himself against a 290 lb 6'4" violent gang associated assault from an attacker who just committed a strong arm robbery and is walking down the middle of the street holding up traffic, or your average law abiding white person but rather another black or brown weaned in the rapidly failing liberal indoctrination system we call public education on years of moral relativism and a false leftist revised historical record designed to turn them all into angry anti-white "victim"-perpetuators.

Liberals are, by far, statistically the greatest threat to both other liberals and, of course, non-liberals as well.

You realize that most criminals especially those in violent lifestyles are likely to be neither liberal nor conservative since politics on that level dont fit into their day-to-day lives of drugs and guns and hos.