Are you FOR me or AGAINST me!?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Oct 26, 2013
34
2
0
#1
This message will offend some...but I say blessed are you who are not offended because the Lord is never in the wrong and all His ways are right and true. Everything I say in this thread can be backed up with scripture.

Jesus says that friendship with the world is enmity towards God. That means if you are a friend of the world, you are an enemy to God. And if you are an enemy to the world you are a friend of God. He also says that you are either dead to God and alive to the world or dead to the world and alive to God...

The Lord has not lost ANY of His zeal or fervor...His eyes STILL blaze like fire and He still draws the line. Jesus stands at the door and asks "Are you for me or against me?

In revelation it says that His robe is red...you may think: "Oh, Jesus likes the color red so He will choose to wear a red robe on that day when He comes back." WRONG. The robe used to be white! It's red because it is splattered and speckled with the blood of His enemies. ALL who stand against him on that day will perish and be cut off forever. His sword will be drawn...it's double-edged and very sharp. In Rightness He makes war until He leads Justice to victory...I said...

IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HE MAKES WAR UNTIL HE LEADS JUSTICE TO VICTORY!!! Let all God's people say amen.

To you who think I'm crazy...I pray that you see the truth and that you do not end up as one of the ones who finds themselves standing against Him on That Day. Because I have only spoken the word of God...

Let's stop laying down and dying...it's time for a revolution. It's time to make a stand.
 
S

storrmie

Guest
#2
I try so hard to do things right but everyone sins and i went to a new bible study tonight and they were saying that God sees all sins the same because a sin is a sin. Well, I know I sin. I read my bible everyday, I pray everyday...I try to but sometimes it feels just empty like I am talking to a wall. I have doubts and I know God knows that. I want so bad to believe and I try to, and my head tries to reason with whateve it is deep inside me that doubts the whole thing. I don't understand, i dont want to doubt, I can tell people at church "oh I believe" but why do I have these doubts and how do I make them go away? The world doubts, christians are not supposed to. Like I said, I pray and read my bible, i hope one day I can truthfully say I totally believe because I dont want to find myself standing against him----I am so afraid that he is going to send me to hell because of this. But I try not to be a "friend of the world" I don't even admit my doubt to most people because I just don't want to reinforce it.
 
S

Searchlight

Guest
#3
Ok, triple-seven I love your ID and zeal and yes like you I am in this world but not of it. I hate the world and its systems because they are controlled by satan and his mates. I love God more then I love my own life and more then my own family. I don't take council nor do I seek wisdom from the world The Lord is the source of everything I need and want however, the world is where the people are that we need to reach the ones that Jesus died for and we must get to them and we wont be able to do that if we show condemnation, so we have to spend time in enemy territory in order to bring the lost to the cross and not feel condemned for doing so because the world is our office so to speak it is where we work.
 
T

Tintin

Guest
#4
I try so hard to do things right but everyone sins and i went to a new bible study tonight and they were saying that God sees all sins the same because a sin is a sin. Well, I know I sin. I read my bible everyday, I pray everyday...I try to but sometimes it feels just empty like I am talking to a wall. I have doubts and I know God knows that. I want so bad to believe and I try to, and my head tries to reason with whateve it is deep inside me that doubts the whole thing. I don't understand, i dont want to doubt, I can tell people at church "oh I believe" but why do I have these doubts and how do I make them go away? The world doubts, christians are not supposed to. Like I said, I pray and read my bible, i hope one day I can truthfully say I totally believe because I dont want to find myself standing against him----I am so afraid that he is going to send me to hell because of this. But I try not to be a "friend of the world" I don't even admit my doubt to most people because I just don't want to reinforce it.
Doubt is not the enemy of the Christian. If used properly it can strengthen one's faith in Christ and help them grow to be more like Him. If Christians aren't allowed to doubt, why are there so many examples of God's people doubting in the Bible? It's part of living in a fallen creation. But don't let your doubt dictate you, let God dictate your doubt.
 
S

Searchlight

Guest
#5
Storrmie your post really saddened me and The Lord has heard your cry. You need to get a hold of the Gospel of Grace! Please, please, please, do not come under condemnation as there is none for us who are in Christ. Stop trying so hard The Lord loves you just the way you are. You are His priced possession! At The cross Jesus paid for it all and accomplished it all. He removed ALL sins past present and future it is what it is called Jesus finished work. Through His finished work you are now the righteousness of God in Christ FOR EVER you cannot ever loose that, no matter what you do because it is NOT based on what you do but on what Jesus did! so God The Father looks at you and sees you spotless perfect always. Because we live in this sinful body from time to time we will fall but no sooner you do that the Blood of Jesus cleanses you immediately! All you have to do is simply acknowledge it by saying "sorry Lord I know You wont Judge or command me for that sin because the Lord Jesus has already paid for it at the cross. I receive your grace and gift of righteousness" That is it! Stop seeing God as someone that is constantly looking out for sin in your life HE IS NOT ALL sin has already been paid for and removed at the cross. The more you try to stop sinning the more you sin! You are being sin conscious instead of being Christ conscious no wonder you are feeling the way you do.

Please look up Joseph Prince he is the pastor of a 40,000 people church in Singapore, his message of Grace will absolutely set you free as it did for me. If you go on www.JosephPrince.org go to the pod cast page you can download many free sermons take the time to listen to them as The Lord will answer ALL your doubts through those sermons as He did for me. You see I was just like you. Below is an extract from Joseph Prince book destined to Rain. I have a PDF copy of the book and happy to email to you. Also to remove any and ALL your doubt I am providing you with a video link of absolute proof that God exists proven by renowned scientists please watch it. The Signs of God's Existence - Documentary [Full Length] - YouTube and remember if the devil tells you that you are not saved you can bet that you are or why would he tell you? why not let you believe that you are saved and let you go to hell? If you have more questions just ask I live in Australia and my ministry is setting brothers and sisters free from condemnation.

Grace is NOT a topic. Grace is NOT a subject to be studied. Grace is The Gospel. Grace is The Lord Jesus Christ.
God’s grace is His undeserved, unearned and unmerited favor. And because it is undeserved, unearned and unmerited, ALL OF US qualify for it. But how do we make sure we walk in it?
In the old covenant, we see this “it’s all up to me” demand put on man. God’s part was to bless His people, but only if they played their part by obeying all of His laws. If they didn’t do their part, not only would they not be blessed, but the curse would also come on them.
Most of the time, they ended up under the curse because they just could not keep all of God’s laws. So God found fault with that covenant because though He wanted to bless man, man’s sins made it difficult for Him to do so. Man himself was the weak link.
In the new covenant, man has no part to play except to believe and receive. The new covenant of grace was cut between God the Father and God the Son — both infallible and more than able to keep the covenant.
Jesus’ blood has been shed for the remission of all your sins (past present and future). You are now the righteousness of God in Christ. (2 Corinthians 5:21) By His one perfect sacrifice, He has perfected you forever. (Hebrews 10:14, KJV) There is no spot in you!
Today, the devil has no right to tell you that you cannot be blessed because there is something wrong with you.
You may ask, since Jesus had to nail the law to the cross, does this mean that the law is bad?” No! A thousand times no! Paul himself answers this question in Romans 7:12 when he states that “the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.” But, while the law is holy, just and good, it has no power to make you holy, just and good. The law is like a mirror. All that a mirror can do is tell you the truth and point out your deficiencies. , That’s what the law does. It shows you God’s perfect holiness, justice and goodness, but at the same time, it also exposes your imperfections and your inability to meet God’s standards.
And in the same way that you can’t use a mirror to clean the dirt that it has exposed off your face, you cannot use the law to remove the sins that it has exposed and make you holy.
What Jesus did on the cross created the new covenant, and made the first covenant—the covenant of the law—obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). In this new covenant, Jesus has already fulfilled for us the righteous requirements of the law (Romans 8:3–4), so that we are no longer under law but under grace (Romans 6:14).
You cannot merit God’s blessings through your good works. All His blessings, including the blessings of health, provision and success, are wrapped up in the person of Jesus! When you have Jesus, you have the gift of righteousness and the abundance of grace completely by His unmerited favor. You cannot earn them, work for them or deserve them. They are gifts!

Jesus is your righteousness, holiness and redemption. You are righteous, holy and redeemed (and blessed) not because of your good works, but because you have received God’s provision of His Son.

And because Jesus can never fail or be removed from the throne, you will always have Him as your righteousness, holiness and redemption! This is a powerful truth that will lift you out of the realm of doubt and fear and put you in the realm of faith and hope. It will cause you to reign over ALL OF your circumstances.



Is Grace a free ticket to sin?

Sin cannot take root in a person who is full of the consciousness that he is righteous in Christ. You cannot stop birds from flying over your head, but you can certainly stop a bird from building a nest on your head. In the same way, you cannot stop temptations, sinful thoughts and desires from passing through your mind, but you can certainly stop yourself from acting on these temptations, sinful thoughts and desires by confessing at the very moment of temptation that you are the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ

Doesn't knowing that God has forgiven all our sins (past present and future) and given us His grace, become a license for people to live a sinful lifestyle?

God's grace (undeserved, unmerited, unearned favour) empowers us to experience victory over sin, unclean habits and addictions in our lives. In other words, God's grace gives us dominion over sin (Romans 6:14), NOT keeps us under the bondage and power of sin.

The Bible is very clear, and emphatic, about this. Romans 6:14 says, "For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace." Sin loses its control ("dominion") over you when you are under grace ("not under law but under grace").
Source: Pastor Joseph Prince from new Creation Church Singapore www.JosephPrince.org
 
C

cora

Guest
#6
Stormie, it is ok to admit our doubts to one another! I do all the time because it make me wonder why i doubt Him, and talkin to another christian about what is going on helps more than you think. Ive only been reborn for about 5 years now but man the dude upstairs has saved my rear end more than a few times and i wouldnt be here without the Lord but in times of need and rough spots sometimes i don't know if he is still there or if he is there at all. I have no reason to doubt but i do we all do. It's about finding out why and talking about it to help get you back on your feet.
 
S

Searchlight

Guest
#7
Doubt is not the enemy of the Christian. If used properly it can strengthen one's faith in Christ and help them grow to be more like Him. If Christians aren't allowed to doubt, why are there so many examples of God's people doubting in the Bible? It's part of living in a fallen creation. But don't let your doubt dictate you, let God dictate your doubt.
Dude are you for real? With all due respect I don't think much of CS Lewis and his quote, he is just a man at the end of the day with quite a morbid outlook on My God. The quotes I hod dear to my heart are the ones in the Bible the ones that say that He will never leave you or forsake you, the one that says that He so loved the world that He gave the best heaven had to offer His only Son, the one that says that nothing will ever separate us from his love, NOTHING! I have added below my quote I think you may like it better and I hope it blesses you.

I want you to picture this:
Here is the Creator and owner of the universe and everything within it, The Holiest of Holiest, His Majesty, The Mighty One, The Chief and Commander of the armies of Heaven. He willingly steps off His Throne and comes down to earth in human form to rescue His children.
He allows His creations to shame Him, rip His body apart with whips that had hooks and glass at the end of each thread, bash Him to the extent that His face no longer looked human, thrust a crown of one inch long thorns DEEP in-to His head and then spit on Him, mock Him, make Him carry His own cross that it was so heavy He kept stumbling and falling with the Cross landing on His ripped apart and bloodied body and yet He kept getting up and kept going because all He could think about was YOU.
He allows them to drive 5 inch nails in-to His hands and feet and hang Him on a cross and then watch them gamble for His clothes. And all along He never committed a SINGLE sin never said a single word, not even a whisper.
So what does this Beautiful, Majestic, and Wonderful God that with one gesture could have commanded 12 legions of Angels to come down from heaven and destroy them all in less than 10 seconds do?
He looks up and says to His heavenly Father, “Father please forgive them, as do not know what they re doing”
For six hours He hangs on The Cross whilst ALL THE SIN of Man Kind enters His body. You see it had, to so that God could deal with it (Sin) and remove It ONCE AND FOR ALL.
Just stop and think for a second how He is feeling at this point. The hater of sin, perfect, righteous and Holy in ALL His ways and totally sinless receiving the sin of murder, paedophilia, sexual immorality, lies, deceit, man’s slaughter, adultery, blasphemy, and everything that is evil in-to His body, and as if that wasn’t bad enough for the first time in eternity His Father turns His back on Him and separates Himself from Him so that He could punish All of our sins (Past Present and Future) and take out His Righteous anger on The Lord Jesus His only much loved Son instead of YOU and I.
The separation is too much for Him and He cries “My God My God why have you abandoned me?”
At this point He is totally alone and totally rejected dying on a Cross for sins He NEVER committed and for people that hated and despised Him.
The God of creation went from having everything to having nothing so that YOU AND I COULD HAVE IT ALL! Praise His Holy and wonderful Name FOR EVER!
As his spirit is about to leave His body He speaks out in a loud voice “IT IS FINISHED”, and when He did the wall of sin that separated us from God crumbled, and God unleashed a flood tide of His grace upon us.
It is His finished work at The Cross that makes, who so ever believes and confesses that He is the Son of God, who died on the cross for his/her sins, resurrected after three days and is now seated at the right hand of God His father as his/her representative, that makes you and I sinless, righteous and perfect in God’s eyes forever.
The amasing thing is that if everyone was already saved and YOU were the only one in the entire world that needed Him to lay His life down for, He would have still done it all regardless.
This is the purest form of infinite, undeserved, unearned and unconditional Love which I will never be able to understand for as long as I live. This is Grace.
 
T

Tintin

Guest
#8
Yes, I'm for real. Don't belittle me or other Christians who doubt. It's not becoming of you and is like a slap in the face. If you were honest with yourself, you'd admit that you've doubted at times too. We all experience "wasteland" moments in our walk with Christ. To acknowledge that we doubt, helps us to grow in Christ. To ignore it and sweep it under the carpet, does a huge disservice and hurts both you and others. If Christians aren't allowed to doubt, then they're not allowed to be honest with God and each other. This non-biblical belief that we can't doubt has helped to turn some from Christ and weakened other Christians faith journeys. Struggles with doubt, when used for God's kingdom, can be very powerful indeed!

Also, C.S. Lewis did not have a morbid outlook of Christ, he had a biblically-rounded one incorporating (amongst other attributes) both terrifying holiness and redemptive grace.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
S

Searchlight

Guest
#9
Yes, I'm for real. Don't belittle me or other Christians who doubt. It's not becoming of you and is like a slap in the face. If you were honest with yourself, you'd admit that you've doubted at times too. We all experience "wasteland" moments in our walk with Christ. To acknowledge that we doubt, helps us to grow in Christ. To ignore it and sweep it under the carpet, does a huge disservice and hurts both you and others. If Christians aren't allowed to doubt, then they're not allowed to be honest with God and each other. This non-biblical belief that we can't doubt has helped to turn some from Christ and weakened other Christians faith journeys. Struggles with doubt, when used for God's kingdom, can be very powerful indeed!

Also, C.S. Lewis did not have a morbid outlook of Christ, he had a biblically-rounded one incorporating (amongst other attributes) both terrifying holiness and redemptive grace.[/QUO

You know what, if I was a new Christian and I red your friend's CS Lewis's quote I would run from God not go to him because a supreme terror is not exactly my idea of a loving God. God is Love, pure endless infinite love and that is the message we must bring to the world. On the doubt issue, in proverbs 18.21 it is written that the tongue has the power of life and doubt. If we have doubt and we all do at times instead of confessing it why not confess a positive verse from The word which will release our faith as doubt is the opposite of faith right? as far as belittling you it was never my intention and if I have offended you I apologize I am just a very passionate positive Australian Christian trying to edify motivate and strengthen other brothers and sisters.
 
N

NightRevan

Guest
#10
I try so hard to do things right but everyone sins and i went to a new bible study tonight and they were saying that God sees all sins the same because a sin is a sin. Well, I know I sin. I read my bible everyday, I pray everyday...I try to but sometimes it feels just empty like I am talking to a wall. I have doubts and I know God knows that. I want so bad to believe and I try to, and my head tries to reason with whateve it is deep inside me that doubts the whole thing. I don't understand, i dont want to doubt, I can tell people at church "oh I believe" but why do I have these doubts and how do I make them go away? The world doubts, christians are not supposed to. Like I said, I pray and read my bible, i hope one day I can truthfully say I totally believe because I dont want to find myself standing against him----I am so afraid that he is going to send me to hell because of this. But I try not to be a "friend of the world" I don't even admit my doubt to most people because I just don't want to reinforce it.
stormie, I don't really know you yet (as I'm pretty new here despite this senior member rating O_O ) but first I hope to let you know up front God is not an ogre not at all. I'll try to deal in my likely rather inadequate way with each issue you raise but just before that please never ever feel you can't raise these issues with other Christians, or a pastor, we really do need as Christians in our churches to drop the pretend fronts of perfection we often put on each other, it's just place-acting and is leaving allot of us all hurting in silence and darkness, away from the loving support we need from each other, it's terribly tragic and not the honest and loving community Jesus created us to be.

Now while it true to say on the one hand sin is sin, I don't think their are all the same, just take a look through Leviticus for example, many things have different consequences (even more so if work in ancient near East legal systems and using this understanding to read this part of the Torah is correct in saying these were ethical idealisations for judgements which used it to decide more often on compensation for the sin, apart it seems from pre-meditated murder where no such compensation was to be accepted). But either way, it indicates different degrees of consequences, and this theme is one that is carried through the Scriptures, right into the NT, where knowing and extreme sin is seen far worse then others (see for example the Sadducee leadership and the Pharisees who robbed widows, perverted God's law to care of parents and so on, Jesus view their actions extremely badly far more then that of prostitutes or tax collectors). So yes sin may be sin, but not all sin is equal or viewed as badly.

But know this much more important then the above, if anyone says that Christians shouldn't doubt and if they do, then I'm afraid whoever said that to you is wrong, look throughout the Scriptures, so many of the Psalms are from the Psalmist (or Psalmists ;) ) crying out in doubt, or anger and confusion, uncertain where God is in a situation, often in them we see that it is by being completely honest before God, raw even, that they come through to different understanding through the Psalm and realise He is there and begin to see things differently. It it isn't often an instant magical fix either, sometimes this process takes a long time, months, years, and sometimes we carry and deal with some doubts all our time here before the resurrection. And I really want you to to take a lesson for the Psalmist(s), you don't need to pretend before God, or put any kind of front, but rather like them be completely honest before Him about what is going, what are your issues, your doubts, frustrations, anger, questions, bring it all to your Father, He is big enough for them as He was for Israel's cries :D . And in the NT we see people uncertain (most of the time the apostles were uncertain first of who Jesus fully was, and even then didn't really understand His mission until after the resurrection, and even then they broke and fled, losing faith and unbelief, and Thomas wouldn't believe still even when told that others had seen the Lord raised. But what did Jesus do, did He cast them out for their doubts (remember the end of Matthew's gospel, some gathered before Him believed but still doubted as well ;) ), did He say I want nothing more to do with you, go away from me? NO never, He meet them where they were, and continued to fellowship and restore them from there, He meet Thomas were He was, at the level he required, and then at that point Thomas was able to go beyond that level of knowledge, making the leap of love with the stunning declaration of 'My Lord, and My God' of Jesus :D . And with Peter in the end of John's Gospel, which Jesus repeats 'do you love Me?' three times, in the Greek the first two times it's 'do you agape me? meaning do you selfless self-sacrificial love, but Peter responds 'you know I philia (brotherly love) you. So at the last Jesus says, 'Do you philia me?' and meets Peter where is, and brings Him back, and the same was true from those mentioned above who believed in Matthew but still had doubts. And Elijah, who after such a great display of God's power at Mount Horeb then fled when Ahab and Jezebel threatened his life, did God abandon him, never, He meet him he was, and I hope in all these many examples (of which there many more :) ) you are able to see a pattern here, God will meet you where you are, whatever you issues, He will abandon you. Though you are indeed special in so many ways, you are not unique for those in indicated here, He as never left them, He won't leave you, God doesn't change and cannot lie, He said would never abandon your or forsake you, and the Lord said He would be with us until the end of this age (and after that is fullness of the new age of this world, after the resurrection in which we will be with Him forever ;) ), so He won't full stop, He is always with you, and He is there to help you carry your burden and meet you where you are. You can be honest with all your doubts and fears before Him.

And just because you doubt just like above God isn't going give up on you, sin is not greater then God, and He give up on you or loss you, His love for you is eternal it cannot be defeated. You haven't turn against Jesus at all, so you are His, and no matter what He will always be faithful to you, you don't need to work up some perfect faith, just even in your doubts and fears, trust that He has you, and that He loves, accepts and will always be with you to bring through (and would never cast you into judgement and hell for some doubts or thoughts, when Jesus said 'it's finished' in triumph, He meant it, through the cross and resurrection He defeated all of sin and evil, all the powers of darkness and their ability to hold or claim, they have no claim on you anyone, on the Lord does and nothing can defeat that claim or His love, so put aside any fears of judgement, it's done, and you are free :D ). And finally I'll share one last thing, I was and do have constant doubts, blasphemous thoughts, worrying over and over about sins, and such that come into my mind all the time, I suffer from a condition called scrupulosity (an OCD condition) such people as Martin Luther are thought to have suffered from it, and for years it was crippling you Christian walk, to the point that I had to leave church, because being it it cause the thoughts to come in increasing waves. And I thought it was going to send me into judgement (that it probably already had) and that I was going to make it harder for me at that time, so I thought it was better to leave. But God helped me, and brought me to a site where I realised what was wrong (and also realised that the enemy whose name means the accuser was also part of this confusion, adding to the accusing thoughts challenging my mind) and then I realised I and want if nothing else for you to grasp this, that He is is faithful, and you are forgiven it is done. And it is dependant solely on Him, not on you (or me) we just have to trust in His total faithfulness through His covenant sealed in the blood of His Son on the cross and in the power of the resurrection, that He has won and He will bring us through, even in the storm of doubts we just trust that, and listen to that, and never listen to thoughts which say we are damned or meaningless or lost because they lies and not true. He will always accept you, be there for you, and He has won already and by His Spirit will bring you through, your doubts can't and won't separate you from Him, and He will never cast you aside.

And a final word in support of doubts, those times of doubt, or where you don't seem to feel or see God in a situation, those are the times He uses to develop our faith, which is our trust in the faithfulness of Jesus for us and to us, and of the fact the Father always accepts us through it all, with the Holy Spirit our great Helper ever Present to help us, comfort us, grieve and rejoice with us. It is through these that our relationship with God is so much deepened by moving through these areas, doubts can also allow us to see aspects of our theology in new ways, of the Scriptures, our own Christian life and our community, of the world. Doubt can and has with some many great saints in the past been not the denial of God but the great handmaiden of faith, so doubt fear your doubts, trust in God and approach them without worry and let Him use them.

And no matter what, you are always accepted with God, He loves you and won't ever cast you aside or leave you, He is always with you in this, and He will walk you through it. And don't ever be afraid of coming to your Father with all your questions, issues concerns no matter how little or silly they might seem to you, they aren't to Him because they aren't to you. And don't be afraid of seeming perfect among other Christians either, none of us are perfect (you've just seem I'm not) we are all in some ways like a hospital, slowing being repaired and renewed into the human beings we shall be, but that won't be done completely until the resurrection when the new age and the new creation comes in full. Until then we bear with each other and aid each other in love and honest fellowship, so never feel afraid of bearing yourself before Christians you trust, and tell them what concerns or doubts you have, let them listen and be there for you, offering advice, insight and sometimes just to be there.

I hope this rambling post helps a little, and please don't ever think you out of God's hands or care, you can't be, nothing is greater then God, not sin, not evil, not death, in even yourself ;), He has done it, and will see you through to being all you can be, and into the everlasting life of the age to come :D

God bless you, protect you, and fill you with the awareness of just how much He loves and cares for you, and how He will never let you done, not ever :D
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Liamson

Senior Member
Feb 3, 2010
3,078
69
48
#11
This line of reasoning, heard it before I have. Lead to the dark side it does.



Lets contrast that with what Jesus has to say....

"Teacher, we saw someone using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he wasn't in our group."

"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us."