Contract Marriage

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kessy001

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So was at a christian gathering last week and i find myself having a conversation with a few ladies about contract marriage. And someone's argument was that God's ways aren't our way, he judges our motives. So if d person is doing it for the right reason, there's nothing wrong with it.
Now am wondering what God feels about contract marriage since it is considered and even practiced among Christians.
My opinion is marriage is ordained by God and sacred before Him thus it shouldn't be taken lightly.

Is it right for a Christian to pretend to be married to someone in other to get a legal stay of a foreign country?

kindly share your views, scriptural backing would be appreciated.

thanks
 
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MMMMMMM. Marriage thing in this world is not even strong anymore. It just like a game. You get in and get out. Now considering contract marriage for a citizenship well that everyone has and still doing it. Christians sin everyday me, you, we, them etc. So yea. It NOT RIGHT, but people still do it anyway.
 
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kessy001 said:

My opinion is marriage is ordained by God and sacred before Him thus it shouldn't be taken lightly.
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I do agree with what I quoted. But at the risk of sounding anti-marriage, some of us humans don't think so or don't know so. Sadly, whatever issues we come up with seems to be greater than our God.
 
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Jullianna

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Marriage is a holy thing. I wouldn't think it would ever be good to pretend anything.
 
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kessy001 said:

My opinion is marriage is ordained by God and sacred before Him thus it shouldn't be taken lightly.
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Solidly concur with you here.


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Is it right for a Christian to pretend to be married to someone in other to get a legal stay of a foreign country?
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I would definitely have a STRONG reservation for a professing Christians who would compromise the God-ordained institution of marriage for something as petty as getting legal stay in a foreign country. Pretending to be married=Lying; lying=sin, which is wrong big time.

It also shows that the person in question cared less about the Word of God and is more concerned about his/her worldly well-being.
 
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If they are marrying someone to help them stay in the country its illegal, and it's lieing the bible tells us in proverbs the Lord hates liars but those who deal truely are his delight.
 
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Marriage is a covenant between the man, the woman, and God. I know that God could not bless any lie or pretension entering into that covenant. That marriage would be doomed from the start. If the marriage were by contract and did not involve untruth, God would still have a mighty work to do in both parties for Biblical teachings concerning love to impact that marriage. I'm a bit old fashioned, but isn't the way that God laid out for us enough?
 
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If its a marriage that you plan to honor like a real marriage, even if its by contract then its not wrong. just weird. and some people come to love each other after getting into arranged marriages and etc. Of course its wrong to marry someone thinking you'll divorce them in a certain amount of time or that you'll see other people while you're married. But if you plan to make the marriage serisouly then whats the harm in having extra benefits from it?
 
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kessy001

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thanks for your contribution guys, but one more question pls. Do you think God recognizes this kind of marriage as Real. would marrying someone who is in a contract marriage be seen as adultery?
 
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violakat

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thanks for your contribution guys, but one more question pls. Do you think God recognizes this kind of marriage as Real. would marrying someone who is in a contract marriage be seen as adultery?
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It would only be adultery if said person where married to another person already. Otherwise, any other relationship would be adultery if the contract marriage was the first marriage.

And a contract marriage is a real marriage, both in the eyes of the Law and in the Eyes of God, as it's an agreement to a marriage.You are agreeing to be husband and wife with each other, which is what a marriage is. It becomes a sin when the two annul or divorce or when God forbids the marriage. And a fraud to the Government when the marriage is dissolved soon after said person comes over to the specific country.
 
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BarlyGurl

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Aqua_Girl09 said:
If its a marriage that you plan to honor like a real marriage, even if its by contract then its not wrong. just weird. and some people come to love each other after getting into arranged marriages and etc. Of course its wrong to marry someone thinking you'll divorce them in a certain amount of time or that you'll see other people while you're married. But if you plan to make the marriage serisouly then whats the harm in having extra benefits from it?
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The poster clearly alludes that the purpose of getting "married" is to avoid deportment of an alien. That is NOT a marriage it is a manipulative RUSE of of the legal system. Any Christian who tries to enjoin a subversion of law governing the land and a percieved "good deed" is not in the will of God and it absolutely is NOT a marriage... it is a RUSE and they consequences WILL be disaster. God is not Mocked EVER.

I actually KNOW 2 women who did this, one woman CLAIMS to be a Christian, they are both now divorced. Which is of little consequence since they were "faux" marraiges anyway.
 
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kessy001 said:
thanks for your contribution guys, but one more question pls. Do you think God recognizes this kind of marriage as Real. would marrying someone who is in a contract marriage be seen as adultery?
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I don't know... I mean the marriage would be different - you would go into a court and sign some documents instead of saying the vows.

I guess what we do know is that God's laws are greater than human laws, so being spiritually married is really the only important thing. In response to your post viola I agree that court marriages are binding in God's eyes - however, I feel if the documents are signed with an understanding that there won't be marriage this may not be the case. (There is grounds for annulment within catholicism if the marriage isn't consummated is there?)

However... I'm still really not comfortable with the idea - having said this.

If it was to save someones life (for example if they were facing extreme persecution) I think it could be done. What are you thoughts on an extreme situation like that?
 
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violakat

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I don't know... I mean the marriage would be different - you would go into a court and sign some documents instead of saying the vows.

I guess what we do know is that God's laws are greater than human laws, so being spiritually married is really the only important thing. In response to your post viola I agree that court marriages are binding in God's eyes - however, I feel if the documents are signed with an understanding that there won't be marriage this may not be the case. (There is grounds for annulment within catholicism if the marriage isn't consummated is there?)

However... I'm still really not comfortable with the idea - having said this.

If it was to save someones life (for example if they were facing extreme persecution) I think it could be done. What are you thoughts on an extreme situation like that?
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But you would still be considered legally married, right?

But I'm in agreement with you Stuey. I don't think I would want to be in a marriage that was specifically to allow someone to be able to come my country, or me to their country, especially if there was a huge chance said person would then divorce the spouse as soon as it was legally possible.
 
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Stuey said:
If it was to save someones life (for example if they were facing extreme persecution) I think it could be done. What are you thoughts on an extreme situation like that?
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Then the proper thing to do is for the persecuted party to apply for and request amnesty protection.
 
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But you would still be considered legally married, right?

Yes they would be "married" according to the laws of the land, and would have all "LEGAL" rights assessed to that. There are many things that are LEGAL to do inthis country but are absolutely permissive for a christian to do. Further, there are immigration laws to "check" this form of abuse, which are not intended to "govern marriage" rather to prosecute those who attempt to circumvent the law using this ruse.

I am in agreement with you Stuey. I don't think I would want to be in a marriage that was specifically to allow someone to be able to come my country, or me to their country, especially if there was a huge chance said person would then divorce the spouse as soon as it was legally possible.
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GOOD CALL! there are countless cases of "international" marriages where the alien spouse flees to the home country and takes the children... to which there are practically NO legal avenues for the other spouse to get the children back. This scenario is foolishness at best... and can ultimately land legal citizen in prison.
 
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BarlyGurl

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Just to add... stuey...

The purpose of marriage is not to do a "good deed" for a persecuted foreigner...doing this is mocking God and marriage.
 
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Then the proper thing to do is for the persecuted party to apply for and request amnesty protection.
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I agree, but lets face it - things do not always work this way... it is not always possible to do things in the correct way. Doing them in the correct way may result in death for some.

Plus... this is a bit of a hypothetical situation. But to deny someone life because we are unwilling to?




"But you would still be considered legally married, right?"

Legally perhaps, but not all legal marriages are actually lega.

For example - two gay men or two gay women that get married. They aren't married in God's eyes.

That is one example of where the legal status of someone doesn't reflect their status before God. Another situation could be where someone is forced into a marriage. (genuinely forced)... their legal status probably doesn't reflect their status before God.

Barly I certainly agree that the purpose of it isn't to do a 'good deed', aka get them into the country.

But if this 'Good deed' would save someone's life? Could it be worth it then? Given that being married legally does not always equate to being married in God's eyes.
 
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kessy001 said:
So was at a christian gathering last week and i find myself having a conversation with a few ladies about contract marriage. And someone's argument was that God's ways aren't our way, he judges our motives. So if d person is doing it for the right reason, there's nothing wrong with it.
Now am wondering what God feels about contract marriage since it is considered and even practiced among Christians.
My opinion is marriage is ordained by God and sacred before Him thus it shouldn't be taken lightly.

Is it right for a Christian to pretend to be married to someone in other to get a legal stay of a foreign country?

kindly share your views, scriptural backing would be appreciated.

thanks
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I wouldn't be comfortable with this, especially coming from a Christian viewpoint. If you're going to marry someone in order to avoid being deported, why not just marry someone you can legitimately spend the rest of your life with? It's one thing if you're already dating/committed to someone, leaning toward marriage, and decide to move up your wedding date. A false marriage? No.
 
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kessy001

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thanks everyone, your contributions has really been enlightening. Many thanks to barly, stuey and viola, i've learnt a great deal from your arguments. we are called to be the light and salt of the earth. God expects us to do right always no matter how difficult life situation presents itself, trusting that He would always make a way of escape for us in times of temptation. sometimes the way of escape may look foolish in the eyes of men, but its the best cos He sees ahead.
i dont think God would ever permit a christian to do wrong in order to please our desires? or is there any place in the scripture where God compromised his standards?
 
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kessy001 said:
Is it right for a Christian to pretend to be married to someone in other to get a legal stay of a foreign country?

kindly share your views, scriptural backing would be appreciated.

thanks
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Only if God tells you to! Remember Hosea?
 
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