Divorced? ... Where does God enter in?

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Angelsnow

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I'm not married. (or divorced). But i know a lot of people who are. Of all the couples or people I know who are divorced only ONE "Couple" ...attend church. All the other singles.....don't. I understand we all make mistakes. That is human nature. We all make wrong choices. I am not a saint by any means.

HOWEVER,
Although I don't judge others who have gotten divorced, Its hard to look beyond that fact....a man (or woman) has had a Honeymoon, a Marriage bed. Spoke vows of a forever kind to someone else. Wedding Rings. I don't take that "lightly".
That's as serious as a heart attack or the grave.

Maybe its wrong. (forgive me) but most of us out there...who waited. (while you didn't) it's hard to look past or forgive that man (or woman) who "Gave up" on his wife or husband. Its not like a pet...or an animal. Heck..or even a JOB. you can quit if you are unhappy. But..all i can ask...is...WHY!!!. Where was GOD in your lives?? And most importantly, do you still believe in Love????

(((( I truly don't mean to offend. But hard questions...need to be asked from time to time )))))
 
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Ugly

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I'm not married. (or divorced). But i know a lot of people who are. Of all the couples or people I know who are divorced only ONE "Couple" ...attend church. All the other singles.....don't. I understand we all make mistakes. That is human nature. We all make wrong choices. I am not a saint by any means.

HOWEVER,
Although I don't judge others who have gotten divorced, Its hard to look beyond that fact....a man (or woman) has had a Honeymoon, a Marriage bed. Spoke vows of a forever kind to someone else. Wedding Rings. I don't take that "lightly".
That's as serious as a heart attack or the grave.

Maybe its wrong. (forgive me) but most of us out there...who waited. (while you didn't) it's hard to look past or forgive that man (or woman) who "Gave up" on his wife or husband. Its not like a pet...or an animal. Heck..or even a JOB. you can quit if you are unhappy. But..all i can ask...is...WHY!!!. Where was GOD in your lives?? And most importantly, do you still believe in Love????

(((( I truly don't mean to offend. But hard questions...need to be asked from time to time )))))

The issue I have with this is that it is a pretty blanket statement that divorce = you just gave up with no effort.
Truth of the matter is you have no idea what most people went through before divorcing. And you can't assume even your closest friends told you everything.
While divorce, generally speaking, does seem to be an easy way out for many currently, for you or anyone to look at a divorced person as if they took the easy way out is unfair.
My suggestion is stop presuming you know what a person did or didn't do or what they may have went through, before divorcing.
The only difference between you and them is they got married first. It could've just as easily been you that got divorced instead because I guarantee none of them approached marriage with divorce as an option. Same mindset you have.
So while you're upset at them you forget that they are hurting people too. People who live with the knowledge their marriages and families are broken and cant be fixed. A former of guilt you don't have to live with.
 

Angelsnow

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'Guilt"? lol.....i know a man...very personally...who sold his son...for 40,000 dollars...if his "ex-wife" refused to pay him? He would take their son from her. He was a beast to her. Beat on her. This is a "GUILT" Ridden man? lol....ugly? you don't got a clue...what your talking about. I had to stand back..and watch him beat on someone i Loved. She went out....and bought him a red brand new truck. *Surprise*...showered him...and his FIRST ex family....with everything you could dream of. Sent his dying mother...to Disney Land...because it was her dream. That...piece of garbage? had NO "guilt" or "conscience" to do what he did to his SECOND wife. Oh...and yes...he is currently on his 3rd wife. (she just left him to) ...its NOT the girls..tis HIM!!!!....seriously.


The issue I have with this is that it is a pretty blanket statement that divorce = you just gave up with no effort.
Truth of the matter is you have no idea what most people went through before divorcing. And you can't assume even your closest friends told you everything.
While divorce, generally speaking, does seem to be an easy way out for many currently, for you or anyone to look at a divorced person as if they took the easy way out is unfair.
My suggestion is stop presuming you know what a person did or didn't do or what they may have went through, before divorcing.
The only difference between you and them is they got married first. It could've just as easily been you that got divorced instead because I guarantee none of them approached marriage with divorce as an option. Same mindset you have.
So while you're upset at them you forget that they are hurting people too. People who live with the knowledge their marriages and families are broken and cant be fixed. A former of guilt you don't have to live with.
 
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Oh...and yes...he is currently on his 3rd wife. (she just left him to) ...its NOT the girls..tis HIM!!!!....seriously.
There's more than one side involved in marriage...those women willingly married him, did they not?

I don't think divorced people need the forgiveness of single people, as implied in your original post, Angelsnow
 
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I agree with Ugly (that sounds so mean, but didn't know how else to address you lol) on this one. I don't think you can put blanket statements over the topic. A divorce can occur even when only one spouse wants it so some that are "divorced" are not divorced by choice - it was given to them. Now, if they were pursing the divorce and were making poor choices, then that could explain why they have left the church. They made their choice.

The man I was married to was supposedly a "Christian" who believed that divorce was never, ever an option. I made sure we had that discussion multiple times before even marrying him. He was a deacon and they were even training him to be an elder. My ex left as soon as he was put under church discipline because he was not wanting to turn away from those choices. He preferred to blame the church and walked away from friends for 10+ years. I chose to still attend even though I am the only one with the "divorced" label in the whole church. It's still awkward years after the events because I know there are probably many that do not know the situation and do put that label on me. However, I just try to focus on my church family that knows me and knows the situation and remember that they do not label me like that in any way. Outsiders do not know the story though so you definitely have to use caution when making statements like in the OP.

As far as where was God through it - God was there the whole time. It made me very aware of people going through the motions that can say the "right" things, but are more about how they look the part instead of making sure their hearts are right. God showed me that I had become asleep and complacent in my relationship with Him. He woke me up. As far as do I still believe in love? I think yes. I do tend to believe that one day, when the time is right, God will bring the right man along.

I'm not sure if I really answered what you were asking, but hopefully it did give you at least a little insight to the questions.
 
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Tinkerbell725

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You are being bitter because of the choices of others. Its their life, they are going to live with consequences of their actions. We have our own life to think about and life is not easy for some of us. To worry about how others live their lives, for me is exhausting and pointless so why bother. But if you want to help others, to condemn is not the way to help.
 

Dino246

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To the OP: It's understandable to assume that everybody who is divorced chose it, or earned it by breaking the covenant.... understandable, but myopic and prejudicial. As another responder noted, some of us get handed a divorce and have little choice in the matter... that was my experience. Divorce is serious, but it is not the unforgivable sin. Being faithful in marriage only takes one; keeping a marriage together takes two. :)
 
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'Guilt"? lol.....i know a man...very personally...who sold his son...for 40,000 dollars...if his "ex-wife" refused to pay him? He would take their son from her. He was a beast to her. Beat on her. This is a "GUILT" Ridden man? lol....ugly? you don't got a clue...what your talking about. I had to stand back..and watch him beat on someone i Loved. She went out....and bought him a red brand new truck. *Surprise*...showered him...and his FIRST ex family....with everything you could dream of. Sent his dying mother...to Disney Land...because it was her dream. That...piece of garbage? had NO "guilt" or "conscience" to do what he did to his SECOND wife. Oh...and yes...he is currently on his 3rd wife. (she just left him to) ...its NOT the girls..tis HIM!!!!....seriously.
It kinda sounds like you came here with a very strong bias based on some extreme situations that you are emotionally invested in. Ugly's answer was wise and he does know what he's talking about with regard to your original post. I'm confused about why you would claim otherwise. How does what you shared negate anything he said? I'm very sorry for what happened to your friend. This man you speak about, of course, does not sound like he knows God at all, much less had God in his marriage.

As for me, I am very grateful to be past the point in my healing that I need to explain to you what happened with my broken marriage. This (not needing to explain) is a great victory for me. The stigma of "divorce" is an awful one for a Christian to have to carry around. It took me years to move past the humiliation of it, and the need to explain why I hadn't broken my covenant. I won't go backwards for you, a stranger on the internet who presumes too much.

As to your other comment: I'm very very involved in my church, and most other Christian people I know, divorced or otherwise, are also in church.
 
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As to your other comment: I'm very very involved in my church, and most other Christian people I know, divorced or otherwise, are also in church.

You should actually feel really proud of yourself, if i'd accomplished everything you've had amidst all the battles you faced and came out the victor on the other side i'd be so thrilled. Don't feel ashamed, be very confident!
 
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'Guilt"? lol.....i know a man...very personally...who sold his son...for 40,000 dollars...if his "ex-wife" refused to pay him? He would take their son from her. He was a beast to her. Beat on her. This is a "GUILT" Ridden man? lol....ugly? you don't got a clue...what your talking about. I had to stand back..and watch him beat on someone i Loved. She went out....and bought him a red brand new truck. *Surprise*...showered him...and his FIRST ex family....with everything you could dream of. Sent his dying mother...to Disney Land...because it was her dream. That...piece of garbage? had NO "guilt" or "conscience" to do what he did to his SECOND wife. Oh...and yes...he is currently on his 3rd wife. (she just left him to) ...its NOT the girls..tis HIM!!!!....seriously.
If you're going to ask a general statement a disagreement then use a specific single instance to argue with me, that was never mentioned in your original post, then that fault lies on you, not me.
If you had something specific in mind then you should have asked about that and not asked generic questions.
And that you try to throw this random specific event that I had no idea existed, and was in no way referenced in your OP, as a way to make me look bad that says a lot about your character... or lack thereof.

Save your cheap tactics, poor manipulation and petty insults for someone else you bitter child.
 

seoulsearch

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I'm not married. (or divorced). But i know a lot of people who are. Of all the couples or people I know who are divorced only ONE "Couple" ...attend church. All the other singles.....don't. I understand we all make mistakes. That is human nature. We all make wrong choices. I am not a saint by any means.

HOWEVER,
Although I don't judge others who have gotten divorced, Its hard to look beyond that fact....a man (or woman) has had a Honeymoon, a Marriage bed. Spoke vows of a forever kind to someone else. Wedding Rings. I don't take that "lightly".
That's as serious as a heart attack or the grave.

Maybe its wrong. (forgive me) but most of us out there...who waited. (while you didn't) it's hard to look past or forgive that man (or woman) who "Gave up" on his wife or husband. Its not like a pet...or an animal. Heck..or even a JOB. you can quit if you are unhappy. But..all i can ask...is...WHY!!!. Where was GOD in your lives?? And most importantly, do you still believe in Love????

(((( I truly don't mean to offend. But hard questions...need to be asked from time to time )))))
Hi Angelsnow,

I've been waiting and praying to give an answer to your thread, because I was afraid if I had answered earlier, my post might be riddled by a little too much emotion. :(

I think divorce is a very tough thing to understand if you haven't been through it. Unfortunately, in the Christian world, divorce is seen as the Ultimate Sin and certainly 100% Preventable if you "just center your marriage around Christ", etc. No true Christian goes into a marriage believing they are going to get a divorce, so if it happens, that only compounds the shock and devastation. This is especially true because divorce is seen as the Ultimate Christian Failure That You Certainly Must Have Brought Upon Yourself.

What people don't seem to realize is that marriage is like everything else--things can go horribly wrong in very unpredictable ways, and each individual has a story as to what happened. If you get to know many of us here who are divorced, you'll come to find that a great majority here were rejected by spouses who left us for a whole host of reasons--often, that reason came in the form of another person. And that's something you definitely can't control.

I understand your questions. I come from a Christian family in which I am the only one who is divorced, and some of my very Christian family members took issue with me, asking me why I couldn't "hold my marriage together", because everyone else in the family had. It's a very tough place to be when no one understands what it's like.

However, I do sympathize with some of the feelings you've expressed. I've been divorced for a very long time, and have dated some over the years. I was married a much shorter time than many others, and I do find myself feeling a bit intimidated by someone who was married for, let's say, 15 years, especially if they have kids. I think I would feel like an intruder in an already-established family unit.

But I will tell you that (and this is just my own opinion), I would most definitely feel more comfortable with someone who had been faithfully married to one person for 15 years than, let's say, someone who had lived a single life and slept with 15 people along the way.

Now, I'm not saying that having multiple intimate partners is an unforgivable sin at all. But I always find it curious that many Christians (and I'm not saying you think this way; this is only an observation) condemn anyone divorced to hell but seem to classify having multiple intimate relationships as somehow being a much lesser sin. I have also met some Christians who have had (and continue to have) several sex partners but see themselves as being 100 times more "pure" than any divorced Christian, even if that person had only been with their spouse.

May I ask you, how would you feel about a relationship with someone who hadn't been married, but had slept with someone else or even multiple partners? Would it make a difference? I realize there is the "forever" aspect of marriage that makes it very different, but for myself, I'd feel a little less comfortable with someone who had habitually given themselves away without making any commitments as opposed to actually making the commitment and then having it go wrong in an unanticipated way.

Where was God in my life? He was right there with me, though I didn't know it at the time. He was with me during the times I made my own mistakes, and He was with my then-husband when he was falling in love with another girl. I don't know what God might have whispered to his heart during the times he went to see her. Whatever was said... it was ignored.

But God is with us every step of the way.

And so, no matter what happens, we keep on going... Knowing that God forgives us, wants us to forgive others, and never stops giving us a purpose, which might even another marriage in the future.

God bless you, and I hope you will give the divorced people you meet the benefit of the doubt. It sounds like you've met some very troubled divorcees...

But please, give the rest of us a chance.

We're not all "bad" people, and we are certainly not unforgiven by God. :)
 
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Your posts in the past and this one day has developed more compassion in me for people who are divorced, it's so important not to assume. Thanks for teaching me.

Hi Angelsnow,

I've been waiting and praying to give an answer to your thread, because I was afraid if I had answered earlier, my post might be riddled by a little too much emotion. :(

I think divorce is a very tough thing to understand if you haven't been through it. Unfortunately, in the Christian world, divorce is seen as the Ultimate Sin and certainly 100% Preventable if you "just center your marriage around Christ", etc. No true Christian goes into a marriage believing they are going to get a divorce, so if it happens, that only compounds the shock and devastation. This is especially true because divorce is seen as the Ultimate Christian Failure That You Certainly Must Have Brought Upon Yourself.

What people don't seem to realize is that marriage is like everything else--things can go horribly wrong in very unpredictable ways, and each individual has a story as to what happened. If you get to know many of us here who are divorced, you'll come to find that a great majority here were rejected by spouses who left us for a whole host of reasons--often, that reason came in the form of another person. And that's something you definitely can't control.

I understand your questions. I come from a Christian family in which I am the only one who is divorced, and some of my very Christian family members took issue with me, asking me why I couldn't "hold my marriage together", because everyone else in the family had. It's a very tough place to be when no one understands what it's like.

However, I do sympathize with some of the feelings you've expressed. I've been divorced for a very long time, and have dated some over the years. I was married a much shorter time than many others, and I do find myself feeling a bit intimidated by someone who was married for, let's say, 15 years, especially if they have kids. I think I would feel like an intruder in an already-established family unit.

But I will tell you that (and this is just my own opinion), I would most definitely feel more comfortable with someone who had been faithfully married to one person for 15 years than, let's say, someone who had lived a single life and slept with 15 people along the way.

Now, I'm not saying that having multiple intimate partners is an unforgivable sin at all. But I always find it curious that many Christians (and I'm not saying you think this way; this is only an observation) condemn anyone divorced to hell but seem to classify having multiple intimate relationships as somehow being a much lesser sin. I have also met some Christians who have had (and continue to have) several sex partners but see themselves as being 100 times more "pure" than any divorced Christian, even if that person had only been with their spouse.

May I ask you, how would you feel about a relationship with someone who hadn't been married, but had slept with someone else or even multiple partners? Would it make a difference? I realize there is the "forever" aspect of marriage that makes it very different, but for myself, I'd feel a little less comfortable with someone who had habitually given themselves away without making any commitments as opposed to actually making the commitment and then having it go wrong in an unanticipated way.

Where was God in my life? He was right there with me, though I didn't know it at the time. He was with me during the times I made my own mistakes, and He was with my then-husband when he was falling in love with another girl. I don't know what God might have whispered to his heart during the times he went to see her. Whatever was said... it was ignored.

But God is with us every step of the way.

And so, no matter what happens, we keep on going... Knowing that God forgives us, wants us to forgive others, and never stops giving us a purpose, which might even another marriage in the future.

God bless you, and I hope you will give the divorced people you meet the benefit of the doubt. It sounds like you've met some very troubled divorcees...

But please, give the rest of us a chance.

We're not all "bad" people, and we are certainly not unforgiven by God. :)
 
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Thanks for the rep. Years ago I used to be one of those people "why can't she commit to her husband" "why didn't she get to know him properly first" "there's no sanctity in marriage anymore".

Just because I grew up surrounded by marriages that were sealed, I saw divorce as the dirty word. Now however, I see that they did their best and it's pointless to crucify them for the rest of their lives when there's so much good in them and they have so much to offer.

As I said at the outset of the halloween thread, I don't see a perfect person when I look in the mirror, and those who have been on a different journey than I have helped me develop that compassion over the years gone by. If people give others a chance, they do themselves a favour in the long run for their own personal growth.
 
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seoulsearch

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First of all, Laura, I want to thank you for your very kind words. It is much appreciated.

I grew up in a family that thought the very same way: "People only get divorced because they don't try hard enough; They don't make God their focus or put Him first in their lives," etc.

Growing up in that mindset, I used to think the very same way.

And then my own divorce happened.

All I can say is, don't be like me and have to be put through the wringer yourself in order to learn compassion for other people!


Where was GOD in your lives??

(((( I truly don't mean to offend. But hard questions...need to be asked from time to time )))))
This question can really be asked of almost any other situation in life.

I'm thinking of the loving, Christian parents whose child becomes an alcoholic or drug addict--even when they tried their best to raise the child in all the right ways.

Relationships always involve other people, and each person is free to make their own choice.

God is there, always.

But He does not control people's choices, and, being sinful human beings, people often make choices that are wrong.

And while no sin is beyond God's forgiveness, it does have consequences, one of which would be divorce.
 
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You can begin a marriage in full-time Christian ministry with a committed Christian. You can then watch your husband painfully and slowly move towards pornography addiction and the choice to leave his family for selfish pursuits.

Where is God in this journey? He is by your side for every tear and every moment of grief.

He holds you in His hands,
and He shows you over and over and over and over again
that in the valley of tears and pain
He will give you an ocean of kindness and goodness.

So you can live each day with deep peace and quiet joy in your heart knowing that all things are in His Hands and that He is bigger than all things.

It is a heart-breaking yet beautiful journey.
 

Adstar

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'Guilt"? lol.....i know a man...very personally...who sold his son...for 40,000 dollars...if his "ex-wife" refused to pay him? He would take their son from her. He was a beast to her. Beat on her. This is a "GUILT" Ridden man? lol....ugly? you don't got a clue...what your talking about. I had to stand back..and watch him beat on someone i Loved. She went out....and bought him a red brand new truck. *Surprise*...showered him...and his FIRST ex family....with everything you could dream of. Sent his dying mother...to Disney Land...because it was her dream. That...piece of garbage? had NO "guilt" or "conscience" to do what he did to his SECOND wife. Oh...and yes...he is currently on his 3rd wife. (she just left him to) ...its NOT the girls..tis HIM!!!!....seriously.
Yes those woman chose this man as the man who would be their husband.........