How Do You React When Christians Assume You're An Unbeliever?

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seoulsearch

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Hey Everyone,

Violakat's excellent thread about how we treat new Christians reminded me of times when other Christians assume I'm an unbeliever myself, and don't seem to believe me when I say I'm a Christian, no matter how much I try to explain my background. (I didn't want to derail Vi's thread so I'm posting this one as a spin-off.)

Here are some examples:

* As you know, over the years, I've attended many different churches because of moving. Sometimes no one notices at all. Other times, I'll find myself surrounded by 10 people who all want to take my hand and Drag Me Acrosss the Salvation Finish Line because they assume I'm an unbeliever, which I understand (I'm sure they're acting in the interest of "Just in case she isn't really saved... We'll take all the precautions to make sure she is.") Maybe it's just me, but many times I have a hard time convincing people I'm actually a lifelong Christian. Do you ever experience this too?

* Many years ago I was in Las Vegas (no, I'm not into gambling, partying, or a wild time. I was there with family to see a Cirque de Soleil show and check out the lobbies of some of the hotels) and as my Mom and I passed walked over a bridge, a young college-age man called out to our group, "Doesn't it bother you that you're all going to hell?" I'm sure he had the best intentions. He was witnessing for his Savior. But, I had to fight the part of me that really wanted to stop and ask him, "How do you know I'm going to hell? Where in the Bible does it say that you, not God, gets to judge my salvation?"

What would you have done? Would you have said something? Or would you have opted to just walk by without a word?

* While attending a school conference in New Orleans, I watches as a local church set up a huge cross in the middle of the French Quarter. The cross held a digital message board that told everyone that they were going to hell and needed to repent immediately.

Would you have stopped and said anything to them?

* On the shuttle ride to the airport on my recent vacation, I was the only passenger (who really, really wanted to sleep because of some long shifts at work), but the shuttle driver was bound and determined to get me saved along the way. He was a little older than me and started talking about the importance of knowing Jesus (he didn't ask if I wanted to know Jesus or if I already knew Jesus, he just told me I needed to have a relationship with Jesus.) As much as I tried to tell him I've grown up in church all my life and yes, I'm a Christian, he wouldn't take any of that as a valid answer and kept right on with the Rolling Sales Pitch for Instant Evangelism the entire way there. I was both awed with admiration... and majorly annoyed.

Now, God bless his heart. He was a really nice person and obviously on fire for God, so out of politeness, I stayed awake the whole time and dutifully listened to his well-prepared sermon for over an hour. It didn't matter that I was purposely verbally finishing all the Bible passages he was quoting before he could, or that I could finish his sentences midway, or that told him about my upbringing in Christian schools. He completely ignored all of that.

Either I wasn't Christian Enough To Be Able to Prove It or else He Just Wasn't Taking Any Chances That He'd Let Me Get Away Without the Chance to Be Saved... which I honestly do understand. But I couldn't help being frustrated. And, even more troubling to me is that at the end of the day, he probably went home and said, "I tried my best to serve you today, Lord, and bring another one into the fold," and I'm sure God was in complete acceptance of this. And then I wondered if God was looking at ME with annoyance and saying, "You should have been more attentive... You should have made an effort to be more polite... You should have put more into talking with this man instead of thinking about yourself" (and my dire need to sleep.)

Sometimes I almost wish there was some kind of membership card with a special stamp that states, "Yes, I Am a Christian, and Yes, I Am Going To Spend Eternity With Jesus." I wish that resolving situations like this really was as easy as whipping out my "Certified, Stamped and Verified Kingdom Membership Card" so that sometimes, I could just have some peace and quiet to myself. But I always try to politely pay attention to such spiels because I don't want to discourage that person's willingness to publicly witness to a stranger.

I know the Bible says you'll know a Christian by their fruit, but in chance, everyday encounters like this, the evidence of our fruit isn't always possible.

* Do you find it hard to convince people that you're a Christian, or at least, "Christian Enough", to get them to stop trying to get you saved... again?

* What do you say to people that finally "convinces" them?

* How do you respond to those who automatically assume you're a hell-bound heathen, and won't take, "Yes, I believe," for an answer?
 

gypsygirl

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well, depending upon their efforts and approach, it goes like this:

hi there! it's great to meet another christian while standing in line at the liquor store! (or whatever amusing description you care to insert).

then, depending upon how they react, i might ask them a question or two, and share a thought or two, like, "yeah, i go to [insert church name] or i was saved when i was five. i might tell them i'll be praying they have some great opportunities to talk to others, or whatever.

and then i leave. just like that. i might even wave goodbye. if they were to become hostile or weird, i skip the pleasantries and go. and often, that's my chance to pray for them, either personally or their efforts. because they're representing me, and more importantly the body (either falsely, badly or in a great way) and that's my home team. so i'm invested.

it doesn't bother me, nor do i take offense. what does a christian look like? i don't know. but until we're all outfitted for our halos (; p - kidding) i'm not going to be bothered by someone's mistaken identification, more likely, glad someone cares.
 
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In the words of the people from my home state: Uff da!

Typically, I shy away from street preachers or people who presume to know my salvation status. My previous experience has been that those people don't really want to have a conversation. I suppose that if I feel lead to engage, I will. Happily, that hasn't happened... yet. :)

I don't typically get asked if I am a believer or not. If they didn't accept my answer... I don't know what I'd do.

You do sure have some interesting experiences, SeoulSearch. Hmm... I wonder why I DON'T get approached.
 

seoulsearch

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I don't typically get asked if I am a believer or not. If they didn't accept my answer... I don't know what I'd do.

You do sure have some interesting experiences, SeoulSearch. Hmm... I wonder why I DON'T get approached.
Apparently, you need to get an invisible tattoo like I apparently have that says something like, "Pagan Shark Bait. Please. Save Me Now! AND MAKE SURE OF IT!!!"
 
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Apparently, you need to get an invisible tattoo like I apparently have that says something like, "Pagan Shark Bait. Please. Save Me Now! AND MAKE SURE OF IT!!!"
ROFL. Well, I AM tattooed. Not that MOST people will ever see it, but I am tattooed. (Not with "Pagan Shark Bait. Please. Save Me Now! AND MAKE SURE OF IT!!!" however)
 

seoulsearch

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ROFL. Well, I AM tattooed. Not that MOST people will ever see it, but I am tattooed. (Not with "Pagan Shark Bait. Please. Save Me Now! AND MAKE SURE OF IT!!!" however)
In all honesty, sometime it DOES feel like being the dead horse... Beaten several umpteen times... JUST TO MAKE SURE that sinful flesh of mine is really dead!!!

And other times it feels like flatlining on the operating table... and some well-meaning evangelist has the paddles fired up and is ready to zap me with 50,000 volts... JUST TO MAKE SURE I'm REALLY SAVED!! Especially when I visit new churches... It's like, "Sorry, I didn't know there was a magic pass I had to show in order to prove I'm actually a Christian... (I just hope I don't have to apply for it at the DMV or it might take a while.)"

I was just wondering if others run into the same thing...
 

Dino246

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I would say, "First Corinthians 12:3... Jesus is Lord." If the person kept rolling at that point, I would tell them to go and learn their Bible.

The one time I needed to have this in hand, I didn't have it memorized. But that was half a lifetime ago.

Blessings,
Dino
 
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MollyConnor

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One time a couple of years ago I had black nail polish on because I wanted to try something different. Well I had taken my grandmother to the doctor and was in the waiting room reading my book and I heard an old man tell his wife "why would anyone wear black nail polish? People would think you are a witch!" I didn't say anything but thought to myself "wow if they only knew I love God with all my heart and would never consider witchcraft."
It did teach me a lesson on judging others though. Even though someone looks a certain way, you never know their spiritual status. That is between them and God. :)
 

PopClick

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* Many years ago I was in Las Vegas (no, I'm not into gambling, partying, or a wild time. I was there with family to see a Cirque de Soleil show and check out the lobbies of some of the hotels) and as my Mom and I passed walked over a bridge, a young college-age man called out to our group, "Doesn't it bother you that you're all going to hell?" I'm sure he had the best intentions. He was witnessing for his Savior. But, I had to fight the part of me that really wanted to stop and ask him, "How do you know I'm going to hell? Where in the Bible does it say that you, not God, gets to judge my salvation?"
I'm pretty sure I know who that guy was. I'll talk to him. :p

In all seriousness, I love it when someone witnesses to me because it's awesome, but also because it doesn't happen all that often. When it does though, I smile really wide and kind of cut them off a little bit (if they're being long-winded, that is) and say something enthusiastically like "You've trusted Jesus as your savior, too? Then you're my sister!" (Or brother, you know, depending on what gender they are.) I haven't had many issues with people trying to drag me down the Roman Road after that, but some of the people you mentioned sound exceptionally pushy. And I would never inform someone else that they are going to hell simply because I do not know if they are or not.

One thing I have seen though, is that lot of people sadly think that being raised in church = being saved, and of course you and I know that is not the case but it does happen. Maybe the pushy people you have encountered (especially the shuttle driver) were concerned about that possibly being the case with you and just wanted to be extra-sure. But it sounds like his method needs some tweaking, to say the least... I hope he was speaking out of love and not just trying to get a holy notch in his belt. Maybe we can tweak his method with a fly swatter. :p
 
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Rosesrock

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* Many years ago I was in Las Vegas (no, I'm not into gambling, partying, or a wild time. I was there with family to see a Cirque de Soleil show and check out the lobbies of some of the hotels) and as my Mom and I passed walked over a bridge, a young college-age man called out to our group, "Doesn't it bother you that you're all going to hell?" I'm sure he had the best intentions. He was witnessing for his Savior. But, I had to fight the part of me that really wanted to stop and ask him, "How do you know I'm going to hell? Where in the Bible does it say that you, not God, gets to judge my salvation?"



* How do you respond to those who automatically assume you're a hell-bound heathen, and won't take, "Yes, I believe," for an answer?

My answer?? Dude, what happens in vegas.....stays in vegas

meh, everyone is going to have a preconceived idea of what a "christian" is supposed to be like. But those who truly don't know the Lord wouldn't know would they??? that being said...If someone I knew very well said, Yo rose, you saved?? and meant it....I'd perk up and wonder why the question...
 
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Jak795

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I would say, you must not know me very well to assume that I'm not a follower of Christ.
 
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cmarieh

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My answer?? Dude, what happens in vegas.....stays in vegas

meh, everyone is going to have a preconceived idea of what a "christian" is supposed to be like. But those who truly don't know the Lord wouldn't know would they??? that being said...If someone I knew very well said, Yo rose, you saved?? and meant it....I'd perk up and wonder why the question...
I don't have any problem with Las Vegas at all. I view it as any other place there are Christians and non Christian, but that doesn't mean all are bad. Granted there is more temptation for one to fall, but there can be awesome men and women of God that live there.
Being a Christian which is to be like Christ was and to minister to people and show the love of Christ. After all we are to follow the Great Commission and to go out and make disciples of all nations.
 
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One time a couple of years ago I had black nail polish on because I wanted to try something different. Well I had taken my grandmother to the doctor and was in the waiting room reading my book and I heard an old man tell his wife "why would anyone wear black nail polish? People would think you are a witch!" I didn't say anything but thought to myself "wow if they only knew I love God with all my heart and would never consider witchcraft."
It did teach me a lesson on judging others though. Even though someone looks a certain way, you never know their spiritual status. That is between them and God. :)
Next time, ask any of them if they still work at the Inquisition offices.

:eek:

I´m sure black is nice:



Very elegant?



Don´t wear them this way, otherwise flames will be lit:

 
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jaybird88

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i have never been a big fan of the Christians, like you mentioned who think it is their duty to judge the world. you can always find some dirt if you look hard enough. holding up a big sign in front of a crowd saying they are all going to hell is the dumbest idea i ever heard of to get people interested in Christianity. what happened to kill em with kindness?
 
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NukePooch

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I was just wondering if others run into the same thing...
Yep.
But it's not just from Christians...it's 'battering ram judgement'...and it comes in all forms.

I've been told that I'm going to hell because I haven't been baptized by immersion...I actually HAVE been immersed, but to try and convince someone that baptism does not result in salvation is a fool's errand.

I've been told that I'm going to hell because I don't consider the 1611 King James Bible as the ONLY TRUE BIBLE! Currently, I'm reading through ESV.

I've been told that I'm going to hell because I'm not one of the 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses that will be taken to heaven... Currently, I'm not reading through the Watchtower.

I've been told that I'm going to hell because I'm not a convert to Islam. Currently, I'm not reading the koran.

I've been told that I'm going to hell because I didn't ____________. (Fill In The Blank)

Once you realize that you're up against someone with the 'battering ram judgment' mindset, it's best just to leave. It doesn't matter if they are a well-meaning (but misguided) Christian, a Hari Krishna trying to sell me some rice and beans, a pushy used car salesman trying to get me to drive off in a 'Very Low Miles' Buick, or a pushy church matchmaker trying to get me to drive off with her neighbor's cousin's 'Very Low Miles' daughter...the mindset is the same. "What I have is what you need, and I will beat you over the head with it until you submit."

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I just clam up and leave the situation. If they follow me and continue, they will eventually receive more witty and biting sarcasm than any one human can handle...

I really need to get this shirt, so I can just point to it and not actually have to bother with any further conversation.


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I have a friend, a pastor, who also thinks that, if a believer doesn´t comb or dress well, he is not Christian enough... What would they think of a Mechanic´s nails?

 

Blain

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Christians for some reason even condemn each other to hell because they believe different things. everyone is going to hell in someones eyes for who knows why, apparently everyone except the ones condemning is going to hell so I might as well bring the hot dogs and the smores
 

Blain

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I have a friend, a pastor, who also thinks that, if a believer doesn´t comb or dress well, he is not Christian enough... What would they think of a Mechanic´s nails?

ooooohh he's going to hell for sure:b
 
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Tintin

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I don't know. I feel Aussie culture is very different. Sure we have street preachers, but not many of them and they only really hang out in the most prominent shopping area in the city (and I don't visit there often). When I have been questioned about my faith, it's only ever been by Jehovah's Witnesses or whatever. For most people it's no surprise that I'm a Christian. That said, there's the occasional time people didn't know and I told them and they're like, but you're kind-hearted and you listen to people! And I think, good gravy!