I couldn't resist posting this

[PopClick]

Actually, I could have.

A lack of self-control is often used as an excuse for sin. But the bible is clear that God will give us a way out of temptation. It never once says that it will be easy to take the way out. But God gives us the ability to stand up under even the fiercest temptation.

I have also heard the "It was God's will for me to sin" excuse. Just because God CAN use something for good, that doesn't mean it was His will for it to happen in the first place. Why would He tell us to not sin, tell us that Jesus can come to our aid when we are tempted, tell us that He won't let us be tempted beyond what we can bear, even tell us to be perfect... and then will us to sin?

"But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness."

P.S. Some people might think I'm directing this post at someone in particular. I'm not. It's just a general statement.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I have also heard the "It was God's will for me to sin" excuse. Just because God CAN use something for good, that doesn't mean it was His will for it to happen in the first place. Why would He tell us to not sin, tell us that Jesus can come to our aid when we are tempted, tell us that He won't let us be tempted beyond what we can bear, even tell us to be perfect... and then will us to sin?

Appeal to ridicule.

 

[zaoman32]

I believe it even says in the bible that not only does God NOT will for you to sin, but He doesn't tempt us. I believe its in a book of Paul, and is written "Do not say, 'God is tempting me'". So I agree the whole "God meant for me to sin" thing is ridiculous, just some added effort for your already awesome post.

I also wanted to remind people that when Jesus was in the garden he was sweating drops of blood. That is intense, but he still managed to fulfill Gods will for him. When was the last time we sweated drops of blood because we battled that hard against temptation?

 

[PopClick]

I also wanted to remind people that when Jesus was in the garden he was sweating drops of blood. That is intense, but he still managed to fulfill Gods will for him. When was the last time we sweated drops of blood because we battled that hard against temptation?

Nice, thanks for adding that. Something else to think about when we feel like giving in.
"For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin"

 

[Relena7]

Actually, I could have.I have also heard the "It was God's will for me to sin" excuse. Just because God CAN use something for good, that doesn't mean it was His will for it to happen in the first place. Why would He tell us to not sin, tell us that Jesus can come to our aid when we are tempted, tell us that He won't let us be tempted beyond what we can bear, even tell us to be perfect... and then will us to sin?

Do you have an example of why or when someone would say this? Just curious, cause I've never heard this excuse before.

What is their reasoning for thinking God wants them to sin?

 

[niceguyJ]

^ What I thought of was some Calvinists who believe that God controls our every move. They say we don't have any free will or freedom of choice.
As to the why? I guess they could say He wants us to experience sin so that we could know his grace.

For the record, I'm not a Calvinist...and maybe Pop was thinking something different when she wrote that. This is the only example I could think of though.

 

[OFM]

Nice, thanks for adding that. Something else to think about when we feel like giving in.
"For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin"

i agree with this spiritually

 

[niceguyJ]

My edit time expired...I'll add this:

OR someone could just be confused and claim some sin they committed was God's will (maybe to make themselves feel better, etc.), even though it wasn't.

 

[LightningClap0002]

^ What I thought of was some Calvinists who believe that God controls our every move. They say we don't have any free will or freedom of choice.
As to the why? I guess they could say He wants us to experience sin so that we could know his grace.

For the record, I'm not a Calvinist...and maybe Pop was thinking something different when she wrote that. This is the only example I could think of though.

Perhaps this could come out of a misunderstanding of Calvinist theology, but certainly not out of the actual beliefs themselves.

OR someone could just be confused and claim some sin they committed was God's will (maybe to make themselves feel better, etc.), even though it wasn't.

I've met many people who claim this. None of them out of a philosophical distillation of the lack of freewill.

 

[simplyme_bekah]

sweetheart I am very very thankful you posted this. That dumb devil has been at me trying to convince me that my sins are "not that bad" and each time that thought popped into my mind I was like no way sucker lol. So thank you Popclick. I feel like our Lord used you to confirm in my own mind His truth.

 

[niceguyJ]

Perhaps this could come out of a misunderstanding of Calvinist theology, but certainly not out of the actual beliefs themselves.



I've met many people who claim this. None of them out of a philosophical distillation of the lack of freewill.

I've met Calvinists who flat out say "Yes, we're just puppets for God's glory." On the flipside, I've met some who claim the title who actually believe closer to what I do.
I should've probably put more emphasis on the word "some" in my post, since all who claim the Calvinist title I've met don't believe the same way.
From what I've seen it's just like claiming the label "Christian". Not all who claim to follow Christ have the exact same beliefs.

Think of my second example as completely seperate from the first. I wasn't trying to tie it in with the free will thing. It's just something I've also seen happen, regardless of the person's belief in free will or not.

 

[OFM]

sweetheart I am very very thankful you posted this. That dumb devil has been at me trying to convince me that my sins are "not that bad" and each time that thought popped into my mind I was like no way sucker lol. So thank you Popclick. I feel like our Lord used you to confirm in my own mind His truth.

Becca all sin is bad it separates us from God Our Heavenly father,see romans 6:23,but Read Romans 5:5-8,and romans 8:28-to end of chapter i know you will choose to love rejoice and Spiritually Live wihin that amen.

 

[LightningClap0002]

I've met Calvinists who flat out say "Yes, we're just puppets for God's glory." On the flipside, I've met some who claim the title who actually believe closer to what I do.
I should've probably put more emphasis on the word "some" in my post, since all who claim the Calvinist title I've met don't believe the same way.
From what I've seen it's just like claiming the label "Christian". Not all who claim to follow Christ have the exact same beliefs.

Think of my second example as completely seperate from the first. I wasn't trying to tie it in with the free will thing. It's just something I've also seen happen, regardless of the person's belief in free will or not.

Fair enough.

 

[simplyme_bekah]

yes amen Jeff, I agree 100% lol. That was just that ole dumb devil trying to play head games.

 

[PopClick]

Do you have an example of why or when someone would say this? Just curious, cause I've never heard this excuse before.

What is their reasoning for thinking God wants them to sin?

Haha, Niceguyj pretty much covered it.

 

[zaoman32]

I've met Calvinists who flat out say "Yes, we're just puppets for God's glory." On the flipside, I've met some who claim the title who actually believe closer to what I do.
I should've probably put more emphasis on the word "some" in my post, since all who claim the Calvinist title I've met don't believe the same way.
From what I've seen it's just like claiming the label "Christian". Not all who claim to follow Christ have the exact same beliefs.

Think of my second example as completely seperate from the first. I wasn't trying to tie it in with the free will thing. It's just something I've also seen happen, regardless of the person's belief in free will or not.

There are calvinists and new calvinists, I'm not sure which is which but one definitely has weird beliefs, the others actually line up with my own personal beliefs as well, one in particular who is a fantastic bible teacher.

 

[jimmydiggs]

There are calvinists and new calvinists, I'm not sure which is which but one definitely has weird beliefs, the others actually line up with my own personal beliefs as well, one in particular who is a fantastic bible teacher.

Which "new calvinists"?


What&#8217;s the Difference? &#8212; Neo-Calvinist vs. Neocalvinist &#8211; The Gospel Coalition Blog <-- click

 

[zaoman32]

Like I said, from what I have seen and heard there were the calvinists that started, and then the new calvinists had different ideas about things. One sect is very odd in their beliefs, the other is very much based off of biblical teaching. It's what I've heard from bible teachers, as well as people involved in Calvinism.

It's not just something I pulled out of my own brain, if that was the case we'd all be in trouble.