"I have the right to..."

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Jullianna

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Do you ever hear people dig their heels in and say they have the "right" to do a thing, especially things that are hurtful to others, and wonder where they got that information? :)

Where does this belief system originate?

Phil 2:3 Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves
 
thecreationtutor

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The narcissistic culture of the world today - in america
 
maxwel

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Julianna,

Sounds like you had a chat with a crazy person today.
You want to share?
 
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Jullianna

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Just in the Americas?
 
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Jullianna

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didymos said:
... like with the right to bear arms?
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More like these:
The right to smoke around small children or people with breathing problems?
The right to drive drunk?
The right to offer unsolicited opinions about the condition of someone else's heart?

If someone likes their fuzzy arms, I'm okay with that :)
 
maxwel

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didymos said:
... like with the right to bear arms?
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Well, if we're going to have this conversation at all,
we probably need to ask Julie if she was talking about rights in a legal or spiritual sense.
 
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Jullianna

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maxwel said:
Well, if we're going to have this conversation at all,
we probably need to ask Julie if she was talking about rights in a legal or spiritual sense.
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Just to clarify, I'm talking about believing one has the right to do something they want to do that could be harmful to other people. The gun issue wouldn't apply, unless of course the person doesn't simply mean to bear arms, but intends to harm someone.
 
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maxwel said:
Well, if we're going to have this conversation at all,
we probably need to ask Julie if she was talking about rights in a legal or spiritual sense.
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... well, a lot of americans defend their legal right to bear arms with an almost religious zeal, so in this case I think the two are interconnected.
 
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Jullianna

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didymos said:
... well, a lot of americans defend their legal right to bear arms with an almost religious zeal, so in this case I think the two are interconnected.
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True. I would like to say so much here about blending politics with religion, but I would be derailing my own thread. :)
 
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Jullianna said:
True. I would like to say so much here about blending politics with religion, but I would be derailing my own thread. :)
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Religion and politics by definition have everything to do with each other, even in a nation where state and church are separated. When you started this thread the first thing I thought of was the 2nd amendment. I'm just amased how a lot of americans will do almost anything to defend their precious RIGHT to bear arms. Bringing it up could turn this thread into a discussion about gun control, but that was never my intention. I only wanted to give an example of how stubborn people can be in defending their rights. So let's carry on now: other examples please?
 
maxwel

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Didymus,

I'm very curious, how you, being from the Netherlands, are so concerned with the rights of individual U.S. citizens to own firearms. The whole debate is about the rights of individuals, within the borders of the U.S., and it has nothing at all to do with foreign policy. I can't see how this has any effect, of any kind, on your country as a state, or on your citizenry.

So this being the case... why did you bring it up and try to start debate on it?

I'm very curious.
 
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DuchessAimee

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To comment on the original topic, everyone believes they have a "right" to comment/preach/argue/counsel as they please. Sometimes it's requested, but most of the time it's not. This fact is the state of man. There have been many, many threads in this forum alone which attest to this fact.
 
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maxwel said:
Didymus,

I'm very curious, how you, being from the Netherlands, are so concerned with the rights of individual U.S. citizens to own firearms. The whole debate is about the rights of individuals, within the borders of the U.S., and it has nothing at all to do with foreign policy. I can't see how this has any effect, of any kind, on your country as a state, or on your citizenry.

So this being the case... why did you bring it up and try to start debate on it?

I'm very curious.
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Like I said, I never wanted to begin a debate about it, just mention it as an example. Just because I'm a foreigner doesn't mean I can't be interested and sometimes concerned about what goes on in the U.S. That interest has indeed nothing to do with foreign policy.
 
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Jullianna said:
Where does this belief system originate?
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Answer --- from the self-determined, self-decided, and self-proclaimed notion:

"I have the right to do anything I can get away with..."

EDIT: It originates with selfishness.
 
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There are many who call themselves "Christian" who are OK with Jesus being the lord of their after-life, but have no interest in having Him be lord of their life. Essentially, with this mindset, anything goes, and relative morality rationalizes any behavior.
 
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My 15 year old cousin told her mother that she had a " right" to free speech and therefore could say what she liiked however obnoxious or unacceptable.
 
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FAITHFULGILLIAN said:
My 15 year old ousin told her mother that she had a " right" to free speech and therefore could say what he liked however obnoxious or unacceptable.
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That's exactly the type of thing I thought of, Gillian. Some people use "It's a free country" as an excuse for all their bad behavior. I wonder, what did people in Soviet Russia use as an excuse?

Obviously, (Or at least I thought it was obvious) We do have a bill of rights, and we have the right to liberty. But people can and do use their "rights" as an excuse for all manner of things.
 
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JimJimmers said:
That's exactly the type of thing I thought of, Gillian. Some people use "It's a free country" as an excuse for all their bad behavior. I wonder, what did people in Soviet Russia use as an excuse?

Obviously, (Or at least I thought it was obvious) We do have a bill of rights, and we have the right to liberty. But people can and do use their "rights" as an excuse for all manner of things.
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She is always aiming barbs at me because she sees me as a""goody goody".
 
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