Kids are with you a lifetime; a prospective date might not last 3 hours

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@ GodIsSalvation

"My advice would be stop dating. Put the focus on your kid until she is a bit older, then maybe start back up on dating, or maybe you be content to simply not date anymore."

Easier saying it than doing it... Time passes by!

"(...) I see it a lot of single parents, namely women, date even more than unmarried folk because they desire a man to raise their kids. They just want to provide as normal a family setting as is possible. Problem here is like you pointed out, the kids don't want a new dad, they just want the parents they all ready have. (...)

I have seen the same :( And not all women are like that (men also seek $ and someone else plays the role of a house keeper) :(

" And I'm not saying this with any malice, (...) "

Neither do I.

Just verifiable social facts I have seen and lived.
 
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Putting boyfriends last equates to them never being a priority. What boyfriend will ever stick around if he's always last?
Sadly that way is sought! Recently (a couple of weeks) I have experienced this and, I don´t want her friendship, though I will assist her as a "brother", at my distance.

Those who are childless or freed from child care will be sought (if not too old and, if ANY man is at the level she thinks she is).

:)
 
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DarlinNadia

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@ GodIsSalvation

"My advice would be stop dating. Put the focus on your kid until she is a bit older, then maybe start back up on dating, or maybe you be content to simply not date anymore."

Easier saying it than doing it... Time passes by!

"(...) I see it a lot of single parents, namely women, date even more than unmarried folk because they desire a man to raise their kids. They just want to provide as normal a family setting as is possible. Problem here is like you pointed out, the kids don't want a new dad, they just want the parents they all ready have. (...)

I have seen the same :( And not all women are like that (men also seek $ and someone else plays the role of a house keeper) :(

" And I'm not saying this with any malice, (...) "



Neither do I.

Just verifiable social facts I have seen and lived.

The problem with the Verifiable social facts is that the BAD and PROBLEM or NOT WORKING relationships are the ones that get all the attention, all the complaining, all the left over baggage.

When it works, not enough people step forward saying it works... Likely because boasting is a bad thing...

I have seen it work, and work wonderfully, and lovingly, I know it's VERY possible ... when it's not for selfish reasons. ANY marriage for selfish reasons "i don't wanna be alone" is not going to work.

Love has NOTHING to do with the person giving the love. No standards or agendas have to be in place for REAL Love to flow... the trick is two people that are giving love without expecting it in return and it causes a Godly explosion of amazing Blessings.

THAT is what I'm waiting for ...

And SecularHermit, your toxic woman has got to go.. severe those ties.. don't assist as a brother even because you might be preventing God from helping her ... some people have to drop to their knees before they truly reach out to God... if you are keeping her from falling to her knees... you could be blocking her salvation... if that makes sense? I say this with love and not knowing the whole situation, but I'm sure it speaks volumes to you.

Toxic woman has got to Go :)
 
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@ those who might have felt "toxic" (or poisonous as "I" am)

@ those who had felt they´re worthless and unachieving

@ outsiders and commom people

"The problem with the Verifiable social facts is that the BAD and PROBLEM or NOT WORKING relationships are the ones that get all the attention, all the complaining, all the left over baggage. "

We are not leftover people. I´m trying to find the best way (not only here, but outside) and the clue is God´s not our selfish seeking. Let it known that I also have viewed myself as a trouble maker instead of a troubleshooter (A "thing" I normally am)

"When it works, not enough people step forward saying it works... Likely because boasting is a bad thing..."

I will not boast on and, on the contrary, I would hand over useful information: I just gave my personal reference.

"I have seen it works, and work wonderfully, and lovingly, I know it's VERY possible ... When it's not for selfish reasons. ANY marriage for selfish reasons "I don't wanna be alone" is not going to work."

Did I say that is not possible? I´m not guilty on how I´m taken... But opinions are also verifiable social facts. :) (unfriendly or ugle as they can be possibly perceived)

"Love has NOTHING to do with the person giving the love. No standards or agendas have to be in place for REAL Love to flow... The trick is two people that are giving love without expecting it in return and it causes a Godly explosion of amazing Blessings."

Human love is a two ways streets where "the giver" and "receiver" expect to enjoy its free traffic (or flow). Pitifully, real streets need traffic lights and some written sign to know and give people´s rights.

Verifible is that "love streets" had intersections, traffic jams, etc., and we people are trying to drive each way. :)

"THAT is what I'm waiting for ... "

Good!

And SecularHermit, your toxic woman has got to go... -(I´m not sure where I SAID THAT: Not my lips)- severe those ties... Don't assist as a brother even because you might be preventing God from helping her... (That´s right! -Thanks!- She and I made OUR decisions) some people have to drop to their knees before they truly reach out to God... If you are keeping her from falling to her knees... you could be blocking her salvation... if that makes sense? (It those! Thanks!) I say this with love and not knowing the whole situation, (Of course! I didn´t say it all to make me look I´m better than she is neither to bug her down. She doesn´t deserve that. None deserves that, either) but I'm sure it speaks volumes to you. (Sometimes I´m deaf, but here I´m not mute) :)

Toxic woman has got to Go :)

Go your way! (I´m gone to learn) :p
 
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DarlinNadia

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We are not leftover people.
I am a leftover people and I'm good with that for now. I fear that you've taken my post very personally throughout the entire post and it wasn't directed towards you until the very end when i said ditch the toxic woman which I'm about to address.

And SecularHermit, your toxic woman has got to go... -(I´m not sure where I SAID THAT: Not my lips)- severe those ties... Don't assist as a brother even because you might be preventing God from helping her... (That´s right! -Thanks!- She and I made OUR decisions) some people have to drop to their knees before they truly reach out to God... If you are keeping her from falling to her knees... you could be blocking her salvation... if that makes sense? (It those! Thanks!) I say this with love and not knowing the whole situation, (Of course! I didn´t say it all to make me look I´m better than she is neither to bug her down. She doesn´t deserve that. None deserves that, either) but I'm sure it speaks volumes to you. (Sometimes I´m deaf, but here I´m not mute) :)
I apologize for sharing my unsolicited opinion... it was just my opinion based only on a few comments you have shared. I realized it's YOUR relationship and YOUR COLLECTIVE decision as a couple, I was misunderstanding that when someone shares something it becomes... like... public knowledge .. my heart was in an effort to help but I failed.. as per usual.
Toxic woman has got to Go :)

Go your way! (I´m gone to learn) :p
I've been known as a toxic woman before. I recognize the signs in others.. I understand how that toxic evil is fed and cultivated. No hard feelings were meant but I'm good at leaving people be... I was with a guy once that said the saddest thing was he knew I wouldn't chase him if he walked out the door. True story, I'm not one to chase. I'll let you be in peace :)
 

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What to do with a woman's kids in a dating situation???


Children don't frighten me.

They're small, and I'm big... they do what I tell them.


I don't see a problem.
 
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Sadly that way is sought! Recently (a couple of weeks) I have experienced this and, I don´t want her friendship, though I will assist her as a "brother", at my distance.

Those who are childless or freed from child care will be sought (if not too old and, if ANY man is at the level she thinks she is).

:)

Read this and listen to this, dear Secular + Hermit:

Avril Lavigne - Too Much To Ask lyrics - YouTube

Let the smoke be cleared. <3 :)
 
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@ Tiffany

I respect your own opinion and the way you might have looked at my posts (that were not addressed to you, because I don´t know you).

I guess CC has some RELATIVE freedom to share personal live and its issues and, of course my inputs are personal or direct live experiences I know by 1st or 2nd hand: I´m a truth searcher.

You did not hurt me! I´m used to see how we behave as victims and I have read (and heard) from other sources, more than these (such as Dr Pilar Sordo and others).

As you also see, these forums serve to share what is within reason -lawful- and just look at the way you also set your personal input from a passed episode you´ve witnessed: "I was with a guy once that said the saddest thing was he knew I wouldn't chase him if he walked out the door." I´m not trying to reach you nor anyone on CC. Again, I´m chasing my truth looking at other´s mirrors.

:)
 
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TaylorTG

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Men are wonderful creatures, they are unique and needed in this world, their opinion and steadfastness is worthy. The right men out there do exist. I believe when the time actually comes for me to join with one of these men, God is going to be at the center and straightening the path so that it's believable and my fears will be dispelled and it will simply be a miracle... that ONLY God can make happen.. Amen I love you God. :)
Everything you said about men can also be applied to women. Heh.

I dated a woman with three kids. Granted their father was around, but he was a sorry excuse for a father. Really the biggest difficulty was him. He was an abuser, so he was controlling and selfish and as a result he would often have screaming matches at her if he found out i corrected the kids (notice this isn't punishment, just verbal correction). If it hadn't been for him it would've been a much easier time.
But really, a boyfriend/girlfriend shouldn't be in a parent role. I mean, if you aren't even a spouse, then how can you be a parent?
Are you sure you're not committing adultry? Even though the father doesn't treat the mother well, they're still married, yes?


Now are ALL kids bad. not really there is some good ones but they seem to be pretty rare these days.
We can all agree on that statement. Popular culture nowadays supports many nasty practices, from cheating on husbands and wives and calling abortion a 'choice'. Even family-friendly movies can impact children in negative ways.


and yes... the bottom of my list is the bottom of my list, even my friends are at the bottom of my list... I'm a terrible friend because I don't call, I don't write, I don't keep up with the drama... I DO pray, I AM available when needed, and I DO love my dear friends with agape love.... The few there are have been solid for a very long time. Fly by night and fair weather friends do not flock to me ..
A terrible friend is someone who would stab you in the back via verbal words, thoughts, and actions. Simply not calling or writing to someone does not/should not at all label you as a bad friend. You just don't have time for those persons at the current moment.

There is a time and place for everything, including talking to your friends.


What if...God put us last. Perish the thought!!
We should be grateful we're not cockroaches or pigs!


The only girlfriend I ever had said if we ever had kids (thankfully it didn't happen) I would have to treat that kid the same as her kids. Fair enough but that's a tricky situation to put me in. Anyway in the end she said I wouldn't be a good father anyway but later retracted it. I don't think I even go the right of a rebuttal.
With a face like that, you could be a con-artist!

That doesn't at all mean you'll be a bad father, who knows? Your strange looks can help you get food for the family!


Meh the putting boyfriends last I get, makes good sense to me. I would not personally date a single mother, but if I were forced at gun point to be a single mom's boyfriend or husband via that timeless ceremony of the shotgun wedding I'd at least have the understanding that the kids from her previous marriage come first and know that in a way I'm adopting/make myself responsible for them too but at same time a son don't serve two fathers so I can't expect that, that's just what's to be honorably expected is it not?

Really its just a messy affair to begin with, so when I say I wouldn't date a single mom, its not cause I hate single parents, lol its cause I simply am not gonna be able to handle any of the dramas or responsibilities myself (moreso a criticism of me than ye) like that unless forced to at gunpoint lol.
Just let yourself get shot. There's no point altering your beliefs when you're forced. If you truly think you're viewpoint is the right one, then be proud to die for it!


Boyfriends and husbands are two different roles in children's lives. Those children will always be there, the BOYFRIEND might not, so putting him second to your kids is how it should be, you don't want bitter children hating their mother years down the line about a man who left years ago. Have a friend who to this day is still bitter that her mum put her boyfriends first above her. If you can't accept that this is what a mother needs to do, then you shouldn't be dating woman with children, vice versa.

Husbands though are different, once the children have the left the home, it's just you and your husband and you are going to want him to put you first now that it's just you two but you always used to put your kids first, so this dynamic does not work. Parents disagreeing in front of children is also another mess that can allow children to set parents up against each other and cause trouble in the marriage. So husbands and wives need to be a united front when raising children and wives submit to their husbands- not their boyfriends, and not their children.

None of this is coming from personal experience but clinical cases. Granted, each situation is different though.
Yes. The marriage is the lifeblood of the family. If the marriage is bad, everything will be messed up.

lots of good points here, my take on it is that dating a women with children isn't a problem, because they are separate things. My intentions have always been honorable to the women I've dated, with kids or without. I never go into it with failure or an exit in my mind, to care for a woman is to care for her children as well, and bring something positive and worthwhile to the experience, otherwise there is no point in doing it all..all people are reactive to their own instincts and personal belief systems, children included..If you are fortunate enough to truly be an asset in a persons life, then you can just be and grow profoundly as a family, without erosion of what brings you together in the first place..it takes work yes, but it becomes a choice because you care, personally I'm always open to it, because you just never know how one person can totally transform life for the better just by being who they are..
God loves you!

*sigh* what a world