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4 billion women on the planet? Where are they all?! Or do you mean 4 billion females? Still, I think there would be far more males (especially in places like China).
More male babies are born than female babies, but more females survive. There are slightly more women on the planet than men. However, there are places where there are more men than women....China, for example. But his is a result of human manipulation, not nature. However, I've heard that Washington D.C. has far more women than men.

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maxwel

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More male babies are born than female babies, but more females survive. There are slightly more women on the planet than men. However, there are places where there are more men than women....China, for example. But his is a result of human manipulation, not nature. However, I've heard that Washington D.C. has far more women than men.

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Right from birth it sounds like girls are up to something.
 

seoulsearch

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Oh my goodness, Zero, I'm not sure if I can go out with a guy who can work a sleek, stylish bag better than I can! :) And that bag he's carrying is a beauty!! Now I suppose if he were to say, "Here. You can hold my bag," I just might swoon!

(Have I mentioned I'm a bag person but my biggest expenditures are $30 bags from JCPenney's with a $10-off coupon...)
 

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Oh my goodness, Zero, I'm not sure if I can go out with a guy who can work a sleek, stylish bag better than I can! :) And that bag he's carrying is a beauty!! Now I suppose if he were to say, "Here. You can hold my bag," I just might swoon!

(Have I mentioned I'm a bag person but my biggest expenditures are $30 bags from JCPenney's with a $10-off coupon...)
I have a bag closely similar to that guy's.

"Here Kim, you can hold my bag."

*waits for her to swoon*
 

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gypsygirl: I commented on it because I thought "honey" was an odd choice. I did none of the things of which you accuse me.
 
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um... i'm a little confused why you would make an overt effort to insert yourself into a matter that you have no part of--which is really not the big deal, as it IS an online thread.

but to ME it came off as intended to spur controversy. not to promote harmony or add value, but what appears to only "stir the pot". if there was any doubt whether to take offense or not, your input helped to secure the offense that was taken--or at least that's how i see it.

So what is the distinction between what you're doing and what he did? He took note of something and made mention of it, but did not truly make a big deal of it. While, you, on the other hand, took his small statement and made a much bigger deal out of his words than he made of anothers. Even going as far as to make accusations that are not based in fact but only in your personal view of the matter. Then, after the accusation of what you 'think' (not know) is his intent you go on to correct him because you disliked his minimal statement and start layering it with a guilt trip about how he fed into problems. Next you continue on about promoting harmony or adding value.
My question is this: You took a personal viewpoint (same as he did), made a comment on it in a public forum, as is your right (just like he did), used your personal viewpoint to accuse him of trying to cause trouble (something he did Not do, either by accusing anyone, or stirring up trouble), then went on to correct what you Perceived through personal filters as reinforcing problems that already had arisen (something he did not do)... so... who has made the bigger issue of this?
I read his comment and didn't even think twice about it. I see your response to him as doing more to stir up trouble than i see his doing so.
 
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I am serious -- this one is new to me...

I live in the south,the expression I know is "talking out the side of their mouth" saying something inappropriate is what it means. Honey,darlin,sweetheart are the norm in the south but can be considered offensive in the north where one does not use terms of endearment unless you know the person well.
 
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um... i'm a little confused why you would make an overt effort to insert yourself into a matter that you have no part of--which is really not the big deal, as it IS an online thread.

but to ME it came off as intended to spur controversy. not to promote harmony or add value, but what appears to only "stir the pot". if there was any doubt whether to take offense or not, your input helped to secure the offense that was taken--or at least that's how i see it.

when i read garyA's message, i noticed the "honey" that was followed by, "i'm sorry". the statement was a direct reply to a comment kim shared about "being thrown away by her husband". the statement was intended to relay the pain that she felt.

i read his reply to that statement as "i'm sorry kim" with the "honey" at the end to provide a little bit of tenderness, given the painful consequence her statement relayed.

while that might seem odd or less than ideal, i think that we all have a choice to make when we react. we can choose to be easily offended and assume the worst interpretation of statements, or we can look at the effort that has been made in whole to be sensitive, (not to mention the previous statement, clarifying his intent) and simply give people the benefit of the doubt.

in this case, i have a hard time understanding why this is such a difficult concept with our brothers and sisters. we aren't called to treat them as we think they deserve. we are called to treat them according to the standard held to us, from the bible. i can post a bunch of scripture about wholesome and edifying words, loving one another as yourself, bearing one another's burdens, whatever is good and lovely, and the life and death in the power of the tongue... but i have a feeling you guys know them too. : D




my thoughts, as well. if it's our intent to have a productive discussion, we need to stop carrying our frustrations and pain, and use it as a club to hit over people's heads, only further validating their negative perceptions. talking down to people, and making statements rich with inference and mocking do more damage than any good. i have yet to witness a time when the word "arrogance" was well-received.

further, none of these people are the ones who have injured or contributed to your negative impressions of women or men. these are our brothers and sisters in Christ.

they deserve our love, our kindness, and our respect. if we can't fulfill that standard, and keep the integrity of our communication, then it probably shouldn't be said. this is our testimony to the world, and THIS is what the world will view and use as one of many things that will construe their opinions of christians.

By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another. john 13:35


what we say matters. it matters in our homes, in our hearts, in our workplaces, and it matters online, even here, in this thread too. )

this is not to condemn anyone. far from it. and i'm not coming down on anyone in particular. i am just deeply troubled by these kinds of conversations and the damage that they can do. thanks.


I admit I dont know Lynx as well as others here do. But I do know he pops up in posts and usually makes a humorous lighthearted comment and goes back down the rabbit hole,so to speak. That is his MO and we are all use to it.He meant no offense Im certain.
 

Lynx

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I admit I have been quietly watching this thread because I'm what most would consider a traditional man. I don't drink, don't smoke, I'm a minor minister in our church, I don't sleep around, if I'm serious about a girl I would date her with the view of marrying her... In other words I'm kind of boring. Er, I mean I'm kind of traditional. So yeah, I've been keeping an interested eye on this thread.
 
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I admit I have been quietly watching this thread because I'm what most would consider a traditional man. I don't drink, don't smoke, I'm a minor minister in our church, I don't sleep around, if I'm serious about a girl I would date her with the view of marrying her... In other words I'm kind of boring. Er, I mean I'm kind of traditional. So yeah, I've been keeping an interested eye on this thread.
We love you mate. :)
 
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I admit I have been quietly watching this thread because I'm what most would consider a traditional man. I don't drink, don't smoke, I'm a minor minister in our church, I don't sleep around, if I'm serious about a girl I would date her with the view of marrying her... In other words I'm kind of boring. Er, I mean I'm kind of traditional. So yeah, I've been keeping an interested eye on this thread.

Interesting is over rated. Marry those types and its not as fun as in the movies. Regular is fine by me.Dont put yourself down. :) My hubby and I love to walk in the park and feed bread to the ducks. A young cousin of mine informed me we were a boring couple. If thats boring,so be it. It how we relax and get closer together. Some of my favorite moments have been walking through a park on a fall day,of the first of spring. Be you and you will find someone who finds that attractive. :)
 
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I live in the south,the expression I know is "talking out the side of their mouth" saying something inappropriate is what it means. Honey,darlin,sweetheart are the norm in the south but can be considered offensive in the north where one does not use terms of endearment unless you know the person well.
I have heard this one.

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I admit I have been quietly watching this thread because I'm what most would consider a traditional man. I don't drink, don't smoke, I'm a minor minister in our church, I don't sleep around, if I'm serious about a girl I would date her with the view of marrying her... In other words I'm kind of boring. Er, I mean I'm kind of traditional. So yeah, I've been keeping an interested eye on this thread.
Actually, avoidance of drinking isn't traditional. Our Puritan forefathers were beer-drinkin' fools. Neither is the avoidance of smoking. Have you seen Mad Men? People in the 50s and 60s were chimneys!

Engaging with virtue is sometimes perceived as boring (even within the Church, unfortunately). Of course, that's usually by people who need a lot of drama in their lives (usually created via sin) as a substitute for "passion" or "excitement."
 

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I admit I have been quietly watching this thread because I'm what most would consider a traditional man. I don't drink, don't smoke, I'm a minor minister in our church, I don't sleep around, if I'm serious about a girl I would date her with the view of marrying her... In other words I'm kind of boring. Er, I mean I'm kind of traditional. So yeah, I've been keeping an interested eye on this thread.

Boring? Nope. Sounds like a rare jewel type of man. Men with those qualities are hard to come by.
 
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So what is the distinction between what you're doing and what he did? He took note of something and made mention of it, but did not truly make a big deal of it. While, you, on the other hand, took his small statement and made a much bigger deal out of his words than he made of anothers. Even going as far as to make accusations that are not based in fact but only in your personal view of the matter. Then, after the accusation of what you 'think' (not know) is his intent you go on to correct him because you disliked his minimal statement and start layering it with a guilt trip about how he fed into problems. Next you continue on about promoting harmony or adding value.
My question is this: You took a personal viewpoint (same as he did), made a comment on it in a public forum, as is your right (just like he did), used your personal viewpoint to accuse him of trying to cause trouble (something he did Not do, either by accusing anyone, or stirring up trouble), then went on to correct what you Perceived through personal filters as reinforcing problems that already had arisen (something he did not do)... so... who has made the bigger issue of this?
I read his comment and didn't even think twice about it. I see your response to him as doing more to stir up trouble than i see his doing so.
So what is the distinction between what you are doing and what gypsygirl did?



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A "few well-placed words" can be paramount to "stirring up trouble" -- the question is, did the person do it purposely or carelessly?



If I come on here and say that I am a 'traditional' man -- I will somehow get criticized for it.

If I come on here and "just be myself" ( call a sister 'honey' ) -- I will somehow get critisized for it.

Tell me guys -- do you ever call your sister 'honey', 'dear', etc.? Is this normal and natural to you?

( It is to me - and with genuine sincerity. )


I am sometimes "criticized" for doing the exact same thing that someone else is "praised" for. ( This usually happens by a more subtle "alluding to" rather than an all-out in-your-face statement. )


Look closely and carefully, and you should notice something very cliquish going on here... ;)



gypsygirl:

Don't let the "clique mentality' on CC intimidate you. Don't let yourself be sucked into it. Maintain "independent" honesty and integrity always...

I really appreciate what you said in post #99.

"Thank you, dear..." :D

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seoulsearch

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If I come on here and say that I am a 'traditional' man -- I will somehow get criticized for it.

If I come on here and "just be myself" ( call a sister 'honey' ) -- I will somehow get critisized for it.

Tell me guys -- do you ever call your sister 'honey', 'dear', etc.? Is this normal and natural to you?

( It is to me - and with genuine sincerity. )


I am sometimes "criticized" for doing the exact same thing that someone else is "praised" for. ( This usually happens by a more subtle "alluding to" rather than an all-out in-your-face statement. )


Look closely and carefully, and you should notice something very cliquish going on here... ;)
It has nothing to do with cliques.

I simply do not feel comfortable having with an older man whom I do not know and who knows nothing about me automatically calling me "honey".

To me, "honey" assumes some kind of friendship or that the two parties know each other, which we do not. As I said, I've also had some other young women on CC who have been concerned about being called "honey", "sweetie", or "dear" by older men here but they've been afraid to say anything because they do not want to appear disrespectful.

I just personally believe that if I'm not comfortable with being called something by someone, I'm going to say so, as I have.

It's a personal preference, not some exclusive club. It's about the relationship and context I have with the person, and you and I have none, therefore, pet names are neither needed nor welcome.

That is all.
 
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Living life exposes us all to uncertainty, judgement, and criticism.

If I come on here and call myself a feminist, I'll be criticized (and possibly told I'm not really a Christian).
If I say that I'm a Catholic, I'll be criticized (and very likely told I'm not really a Christian).
Heck...someone even criticized my NICKNAME recently. I was told that I probably wasn't a poet because I don't communicate poetically enough. (Whatever that means).

The solution to protecting yourself from uncertainty, judgement, and criticism is the following:

Say nothing
Do nothing
Go nowhere

Alternatively, one can just accept that criticism will happen and move on with it. After all, the world is highly unlikely to shape itself to me simply because "that's how I do things" and it is "normal and natural for me."
 
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I simply do not feel comfortable having with an older man whom I do not know and who knows nothing about me automatically calling me "honey".
I'm not comfortable with it either. While I might pardon a waiter for saying, "Would you like cream for your coffee, honey?" because he doesn't know my name. It particularly bothers me when my name is known or obvious. (Like online, where my nick makes my name clear).

I guess part of it is that these words are meaningful to me. I don't want to be called "sweetie" if I'm not actually sweet to someone. (Which, let's be honest, doesn't happen that often ;) ).

I may have to run after I say this next bit, but I'm going to chance it.

I'm also not comfortable with hugs from men I don't know...nor women either, really. This makes it awkward during the "passing of the peace" in some very expressive churches. I like my personal space. I might begrudgingly sidehug random people I don't know if that's what's happening, but if I can extricate myself from it, I will. I appreciate that we're fellow Christians, so I'll shake your hand or fistbump. Maybe it's the "frozen chosen" part of me coming out. Haha.