Milquetoast Christianity, Liamson and Dating...

[LightningClap0002]

Yeah, I agree with a lot of the things that are really wrong with typical culture, even in the Christian circles. It's like everyone wants to be the cookie-cutter similarity conformity. I haven't really been a fit-in because of it. A lot of time I tried to be a fake to fit in, but now I just don't care to fit in. It's such a waste to try to please man instead of pleasing Christ. I tend to do things that are totally against what most people want of me. It doesn't mean that I don't listen to what other people are saying, but I do say that I am not going to be what others want of me. But that's going to be everywhere. So I say to all people who are like me: Let's be weirdos, but weirdos who love Jesus first!

My Lord came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword.

Hopefully not to derail this thread, but your post made me think of this song.

[video=youtube;ppvAC3V78pA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppvAC3V78pA[/video]

 

[DuchessAimee]

Geesh... women are sooo sensitive about being turned into robots!

Seriously, I hope you girls all know I'm just teasing!



But ya know, if I WAS going to make a robot wife,
please don't buy me plain Eveready batteries...

I'd want the rechargeable lithium ion polymer cells.

Not that I've ever given it much thought of course.
: )

I am offended! I'm crying right now. Yep. Crying my cold, unfeeling, horrible heart out right now.


But you've got to admit one thing about the whole Stepford Wives thing. They had some really cute dresses.

 

[MidniteWelder]

"The label "Stepford wife" is usually applied to a woman who seems to conform blindly to an old-fashioned subservient role in relationship to her husband, compared to other, presumably more independent women. It can also be used to criticize any person, male or female, who submits meekly to authority and/or abuse; or even to describe someone who lives in a robotic, conformist manner without giving offense to anyone."

Are you just reading the parts of her post's that say Stepford wife? Because it's like you're not reading them at all???? She told you that she was talking about a movie.

I read it Fenner, hopefully I can address where Im coming from in my response to Liamson since It is his thread and I dont mean to derail this either.

Perhaps a Stepford wife, is what YOU would consider to be a good thing.

God never says, "Fit in, go with the flow, paint a smile, and by all means be peaceful with everyone." Be a People Pleaser?

We are to hold each other accountable, each man who would call The Lord His God, is one of us. And We owe no allegiance to anyone or anything that would attempt to threaten the place which is rightfully God's. If the World hated Him; they are going to hate us too, unless we are doing it wrong. Being a Christian is not about keeping up appearances. Its not about submitting to trends or following the hottest books. That is about Pride and Looking the Part.

A woman of God should ONLY submit to her Husband, no others. Which if their relationship is borne out of Biblical love, it is because she respects Him and He has earned the right to lead and be trusted.

A stubborn person is very unwilling to learn anything other than what they feel comfortable already knowing.
It challenges their being too much that pride gets in the way of their humbleness.

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.


We are to hold each other accountable, each man who would call The Lord His God, is one of us. And We owe no allegiance to anyone or anything that would attempt to threaten the place which is rightfully God's.

I agree Liamson, and by the same token we should not allow encroachment upon that authority which God has ordained to man.
And since you say we are to hold each one accountable is this also to mean we are to be so chivalrous as to not also hold any woman accountable to any actions beliefs or behavior which require correction.
If the men are called to lead then I see only one choice in the matter

If the World hated Him; they are going to hate us too, unless we are doing it wrong. Being a Christian is not about keeping up appearances. Its not about submitting to trends or following the hottest books. That is about Pride and Looking the Part.

Amen and I fully agree, as well I dont concern myself with what may be pleasing to others in the WORLDLY sense
(worldly read as. self pleasing or self seeking)

A woman of God should ONLY submit to her Husband, no others. Which if their relationship is borne out of Biblical love, it is because she respects Him and He has earned the right to lead and be trusted.

I have to disagree and I will explain in detail the reasons behind why(you asked and so shall you receive lol ) But its not about earn or deserve, since even our salvation cannot be earned nor are we to demand to deserve it. its a matter of dedication faithfulness and fidelity to the one we choose to Love out of grace. Yet if we look to the way the bible words it, it actually says the head of woman is man it doesnt even say husband. Which is funny because I have seen women say they will submit to their Dad, their Boss, their Brother etc which are not their husband...but for some reason not the man they are in a committed Rship with and heading toward marriage. So the man that is going to Lead them is last in line? How does that make sense


I can think of no one in the Bible who served the Lord with distinguished regard that wasn't independent. John the Baptist, Moses, Elijah, Deborah, Ester, Noah, Nehemiah, Daniel, Paul, David, and even Mary mother of Jesus. They served the Lord, everyone else, was simply everyone else.

You do realize some of these people were married , right? including Deborah who stated it shouldnt have been this way and the other side would be shamed for it. IE: she even knew she wasnt suppose to be leading men she only did so because no men would so God used her as an exception to the rule to shame them to get the men back on track, the isnt the norm, but an exception
God often creates a one time exception as an example to get his people back in line

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He may not say we are to be a walking door mat of a people pleasers(read as: not to be cowardly for God)
but he does say
Better to be wronged than to retaliate
Leave room for the Lords vengeance
If someone asks you to walk one mile go the extra step and walk with them two
IF someone borrows something from you do not ask for it back
As well..............
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
proverbs 21:19
It's better to live alone in the desert than with a quarrelsome, and ill-tempered wife.
Phillipians 2:14
Do everything without grumbling or arguing,
Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.

The people as examples you have listed were subjecting themselves to Gods authority
Some messed up though when they stepped outside that authority and guiding light didn't they?
A woman is called by God to submit herself to her husbands authority the same as to the Lord.
There is an order within the kingdom of heaven which we are to model and mirror here on earth as
...servants to the one in authority over us.
We ourselves serve a subservient role to our creator
Who said were special and exempt from this principal?
Even the demons submit to the authorities over them just as the Angels in heaven do
and were lower than the Angels, correct.


Liamson,
I respect you and where you're coming from in all this, I really do I notice a lot of what you have gone through before from your previous posts, as well as some pain and emotional turmoil
From what???
I also notice you are coming to many realizations while being strengthened in your walk with God
Allow me to address your last statement regarding a woman submitting to her husband appearing to be contingent upon if the rship is borne out of biblical love THEN she will respect him.

Thats actually not what the bible says bro.
A woman is commanded to respect him regardless, even if he's not a believer. (shocking compared to what we hear in the world huh)
As well even if the Rship is not borne of biblical love she is still called to submit to him as the leader through her actions and behavior, most importantly because she loves God and in those actions she serves God by submitting to what she is called to be. Thats the example Sarah provided for us as she did to Abraham and she was blessed for it as opposed to their prayers hindered
The scriptural reference in 1 Peter 3:1
Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives
She has been given quite a blessed responsibility to uphold here
Won over without words and by behavior
This looks like without arguing strife or a contentious spirit
Doing all things without grumbling or complaining

When I see someone taking a stance in what appears to be against what the scriptures tell us it starts to look like a feminist agenda which most often stems from issues against men.

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Eph 5:22
It is clear that God has placed man in authority over the woman
To make it appear derogatory or demeaning to label it a subservient role is diminishing the very nature and essence of the principle God intended not to be rebelled against.

To break it down simply
One is placed in clear authority by God himself over the other which is not to be contended with.
As a woman if she is to teach is called to teach the younger women:
5to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, (some may call this people pleaser) and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

To have a more clear understanding we should look at the definition of subject to:
1. Being in a position or in circumstances that place one under the power or authority of another
2. One who is under the rule of another

From the very beginning when we were created starting with Adam and Eve and reinforced throughout the New Test by us being told that woman is not allowed to have any authority over a man.
God made it clear that man was not only placed here to rule over earth and all creation but to rule over his wife as well.

So as to not malign the word of God means so as not to Blaspheme it.
I realize women may take a dim view of this and it may be hard to accept even as a matured Christian.
Especially if other men have ruined it for everybody else
But the fact of the matter is regarding conforming, we are always in a continual process of being renewed with a transforming of our mind being trained with the word as a new creation dying to ourselves and what we want in favor of what God wants of us and calls us to be ...
1 Tim 2:9
I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,
The very definition of Propriety IS :

1. The state or quality of conforming to conventionally accepted standards of behavior or morals.

And for some reason conforming to Gods standards is being looked down upon by Christians???
Why is this?
Isnt that trading the truth for a lie to please itching ears?

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

Milquetoast???

i just......

 

[TigerScent777]

I believe women should be submissive to their husbands ONLY after God --- BUT; have a God-given attitude of Grace and pleasant demeanour by default in general to other 'good' men which is the nature of Gods Image in a woman. I don't believe its a good idea for women to be 'submissive to men per-se' ... just because they are 'men'... but in strength have an attitude of 'grace'...with discernment. In addition; there can be good and bad men, some can be quite dogs and swine, the bible says - and 'vipers'... (and so can some women too) who would take advantage of such women if submissive in a 'naive' sense. When I refer to submissive, I mean it in an 'intelligent wise and gracious' sense, to the husband ... and gracious by nature.

I also believe a women should be very independent 'when on her own' and very STRONG ... to be able to deal with some of the low-lifes out there - and in some manner be devastating to them if confronted; in fact --- sometimes I think of a partner I can train in fighting with ... but that still has the feminine grace and charm of a woman (which I soooo love *sigh*) .... , however if she is soft and does not want to bring out the Deborah or Joan of Arc archetype (when required only) I can also deal with that --- so long as she at the very least has 'strength of character' and some kind of significant discernment when it comes to being overly naively friendly to bad and/or deceiving men ... (and some twisted women)...

I would encourage my partner to develop strengths and to grow with me in God ... by default ... so a woman should be strong in the world, formidable even in the Spirit of God - but harmonious and as a complimentary part of the whole of the oneness with the man ie: her husband, who with her, forms the complete unit of oneness - and therein is seen the equality of and in unity - one - but differing roles, functions - working 'with' and 'for' each other --- all upwards and forwards into the Light in Eternal Good which is God

 

[Jullianna]

I read it Fenner, hopefully I can address where Im coming from in my response to Liamson since It is his thread and I dont mean to derail this either.





A stubborn person is very unwilling to learn anything other than what they feel comfortable already knowing.
It challenges their being too much that pride gets in the way of their humbleness.

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.


We are to hold each other accountable, each man who would call The Lord His God, is one of us. And We owe no allegiance to anyone or anything that would attempt to threaten the place which is rightfully God's.

I agree Liamson, and by the same token we should not allow encroachment upon that authority which God has ordained to man.
And since you say we are to hold each one accountable is this also to mean we are to be so chivalrous as to not also hold any woman accountable to any actions beliefs or behavior which require correction.
If the men are called to lead then I see only one choice in the matter

If the World hated Him; they are going to hate us too, unless we are doing it wrong. Being a Christian is not about keeping up appearances. Its not about submitting to trends or following the hottest books. That is about Pride and Looking the Part.

Amen and I fully agree, as well I dont concern myself with what may be pleasing to others in the WORLDLY sense
(worldly read as. self pleasing or self seeking)

A woman of God should ONLY submit to her Husband, no others. Which if their relationship is borne out of Biblical love, it is because she respects Him and He has earned the right to lead and be trusted.

I have to disagree and I will explain in detail the reasons behind why(you asked and so shall you receive lol ) But its not about earn or deserve, since even our salvation cannot be earned nor are we to demand to deserve it. its a matter of dedication faithfulness and fidelity to the one we choose to Love out of grace. Yet if we look to the way the bible words it, it actually says the head of woman is man it doesnt even say husband. Which is funny because I have seen women say they will submit to their Dad, their Boss, their Brother etc which are not their husband...but for some reason not the man they are in a committed Rship with and heading toward marriage. So the man that is going to Lead them is last in line? How does that make sense


I can think of no one in the Bible who served the Lord with distinguished regard that wasn't independent. John the Baptist, Moses, Elijah, Deborah, Ester, Noah, Nehemiah, Daniel, Paul, David, and even Mary mother of Jesus. They served the Lord, everyone else, was simply everyone else.

You do realize some of these people were married , right? including Deborah who stated it shouldnt have been this way and the other side would be shamed for it. IE: she even knew she wasnt suppose to be leading men she only did so because no men would so God used her as an exception to the rule to shame them to get the men back on track, the isnt the norm, but an exception
God often creates a one time exception as an example to get his people back in line

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


He may not say we are to be a walking door mat of a people pleasers(read as: not to be cowardly for God)
but he does say
Better to be wronged than to retaliate
Leave room for the Lords vengeance
If someone asks you to walk one mile go the extra step and walk with them two
IF someone borrows something from you do not ask for it back
As well..............
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
proverbs 21:19
It's better to live alone in the desert than with a quarrelsome, and ill-tempered wife.
Phillipians 2:14
Do everything without grumbling or arguing,
Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.

The people as examples you have listed were subjecting themselves to Gods authority
Some messed up though when they stepped outside that authority and guiding light didn't they?
A woman is called by God to submit herself to her husbands authority the same as to the Lord.
There is an order within the kingdom of heaven which we are to model and mirror here on earth as
...servants to the one in authority over us.
We ourselves serve a subservient role to our creator
Who said were special and exempt from this principal?
Even the demons submit to the authorities over them just as the Angels in heaven do
and were lower than the Angels, correct.


Liamson,
I respect you and where you're coming from in all this, I really do I notice a lot of what you have gone through before from your previous posts, as well as some pain and emotional turmoil
From what???
I also notice you are coming to many realizations while being strengthened in your walk with God
Allow me to address your last statement regarding a woman submitting to her husband appearing to be contingent upon if the rship is borne out of biblical love THEN she will respect him.

Thats actually not what the bible says bro.
A woman is commanded to respect him regardless, even if he's not a believer. (shocking compared to what we hear in the world huh)
As well even if the Rship is not borne of biblical love she is still called to submit to him as the leader through her actions and behavior, most importantly because she loves God and in those actions she serves God by submitting to what she is called to be. Thats the example Sarah provided for us as she did to Abraham and she was blessed for it as opposed to their prayers hindered
The scriptural reference in 1 Peter 3:1
Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives
She has been given quite a blessed responsibility to uphold here
Won over without words and by behavior
This looks like without arguing strife or a contentious spirit
Doing all things without grumbling or complaining

When I see someone taking a stance in what appears to be against what the scriptures tell us it starts to look like a feminist agenda which most often stems from issues against men.

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Eph 5:22
It is clear that God has placed man in authority over the woman
To make it appear derogatory or demeaning to label it a subservient role is diminishing the very nature and essence of the principle God intended not to be rebelled against.

To break it down simply
One is placed in clear authority by God himself over the other which is not to be contended with.
As a woman if she is to teach is called to teach the younger women:
5to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, (some may call this people pleaser) and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

To have a more clear understanding we should look at the definition of subject to:
1. Being in a position or in circumstances that place one under the power or authority of another
2. One who is under the rule of another

From the very beginning when we were created starting with Adam and Eve and reinforced throughout the New Test by us being told that woman is not allowed to have any authority over a man.
God made it clear that man was not only placed here to rule over earth and all creation but to rule over his wife as well.

So as to not malign the word of God means so as not to Blaspheme it.
I realize women may take a dim view of this and it may be hard to accept even as a matured Christian.
Especially if other men have ruined it for everybody else
But the fact of the matter is regarding conforming, we are always in a continual process of being renewed with a transforming of our mind being trained with the word as a new creation dying to ourselves and what we want in favor of what God wants of us and calls us to be ...
1 Tim 2:9
I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,
The very definition of Propriety IS :

1. The state or quality of conforming to conventionally accepted standards of behavior or morals.

And for some reason conforming to Gods standards is being looked down upon by Christians???
Why is this?
Isnt that trading the truth for a lie to please itching ears?

Ahhhhh...now I see the problem. You ignored the part about the definition coming from Wikipedia and thought the definition I posted contained my thoughts. I'm a little surprised at that to be honest. You will find those exact words on this webpage under how it is used "in language": The Stepford Wives - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was merely posting a definition of the term "Stepford Wife" for TigerScent because he was not familiar with it or the movie.
I have been trying to figure out how in the world there was scripture showing that the movie Stepford Wives was real and not a fictional movie. There is no way that the God I know would want a man to cut out the heart and mind of His creation and replace them with batteries. Being loving and nurturing is at the core of a woman. They could do neither of these things without a heart and mind.

 

[kayem77]

Why is it that many threads that are not about a wife's role within marriage always turn into ...a thread about wife's role within marriage?

 

[Jullianna]

I often wonder that too, kayem

 

[Shouryu]

Milquetoast???

i just......

You live in the Old South. It's a Southern word. *smirk*

 

[MidniteWelder]

I would rather be with someone who was genuine and deep with their emotion (positive and negative), than to be with someone who smiles because it is polite or because they believe if they smile enough it will brighten their mood or as a defense mechanism.

But what about the girl who wanted the horse and the horse needed her too
Why arent you still with her?

 

[MidniteWelder]

Why is it that many threads that are not about a wife's role within marriage always turn into ...a thread about wife's role within marriage?

Because the title of the thread involves Laimson and dating
Although we're not offered dating advice from the bible
We're offered marriage advice
We're not called to perpetually date
IF one wishes to seek a mate it would make sense that they should act toward one another how they would be when married so one knows what they are investing themselves in and who they are committing to.

BTW Jules, thanks for the link, I didnt see it included with the definition you provided first so hence yes that made it appear as your own personal definition. I stand corrected in presuming that as your own personal definition.
I never seen the movie, I dont really like to entertain my mind with worldly stuff since it tends to contribute to mocking or distorting God which could distort ones own view of Gods word which could sneak in to cause confusion. For instance satan could take what a godly person is and make fun of it in a movie so society makes such a thing less acceptable. For example how movies mock the virtue of virginity and seem to make homosexuality more acceptable.
So thanks for being more clear in that reference.

I see Liamson as a very respectable open and honest man who doesnt hide who he is.
Still me wonders if the unfortunate experiences he has had in the area of dating may be due to a certain amount of being misled in some way or if someone or some thing has led him to believe that as a Man of God if seeking what God (not society) defines as a biblical woman and the understanding of full submission and the reasons behind it is somehow boring or mindless and is for some reason correlated to being what is termed a stepford wife.

All I know is as God changes our hearts and conforms our mind to more of a likeness to him that also changes our tastes regarding a partner.
What one may have sought before or found attractive before when we were more worldly is now conformed to what is attractive to God.
I just wonder if some people when more worldly were reluctant to accept what is more Godly and if that has contributed to a pattern of repeated failed Rships.
If this is true not that its his fault as I know I realize this about myself as well, but his tastes in what God sees as best for his life, for the rest of his life...may just be becoming realized when before that may have been shunned in favor of what we seek for the self.


A lot of people say they dont wanna settle
But do they really mean they wont settle for less than what they want
Or should they mean they wont settle for less than what God says they should look for.
Since being submissive to God also means that we are cooperating with him looking out for our best interest.
Whether we agree with, see it or not.
IE: God protects us from ourself if we tend to make decisions based on our feelings
much like one of the things a man does for a woman when she may not see or realize it at the time.

 

[Jullianna]

Because the title of the thread involves Laimson and dating
Although we're not offered dating advice from the bible
We're offered marriage advice
We're not called to perpetually date
IF one wishes to seek a mate it would make sense that they should act toward one another how they would be when married so one knows what they are investing themselves in and who they are committing to.

BTW Jules, thanks for the link, I didnt see it included with the definition you provided first so hence yes that made it appear as your own personal definition. I stand corrected in presuming that as your own personal definition.
I never seen the movie, I dont really like to entertain my mind with worldly stuff since it tends to contribute to mocking or distorting God which could distort ones own view of Gods word which could sneak in to cause confusion. For instance satan could take what a godly person is and make fun of it in a movie so society makes such a thing less acceptable. For example how movies mock the virtue of virginity and seem to make homosexuality more acceptable.
So thanks for being more clear in that reference.

I see Liamson as a very respectable open and honest man who doesnt hide who he is.
Still me wonders if the unfortunate experiences he has had in the area of dating may be due to a certain amount of being misled in some way or if someone or some thing has led him to believe that as a Man of God if seeking what God (not society) defines as a biblical woman and the understanding of full submission and the reasons behind it is somehow boring or mindless and is for some reason correlated to being what is termed a stepford wife.

All I know is as God changes our hearts and conforms our mind to more of a likeness to him that also changes our tastes regarding a partner.
What one may have sought before or found attractive before when we were more worldly is now conformed to what is attractive to God.
I just wonder if some people when more worldly were reluctant to accept what is more Godly and if that has contributed to a pattern of repeated failed Rships.
If this is true not that its his fault as I know I realize this about myself as well, but his tastes in what God sees as best for his life, for the rest of his life...may just be becoming realized when before that may have been shunned in favor of what we seek for the self.


A lot of people say they dont wanna settle
But do they really mean they wont settle for less than what they want
Or should they mean they wont settle for less than what God says they should look for.
Since being submissive to God also means that we are cooperating with him looking out for our best interest.
Whether we agree with, see it or not.
IE: God protects us from ourself if we tend to make decisions based on our feelings
much like one of the things a man does for a woman when she may not see or realize it at the time.

Actually, I wasn't using it at all, Wikipedia and the makers of the movie the photo in the OP came from (Stepford Wives) did. I simply copied and pasted by way of explanation for TigerScent, who was not familiar with Liamson's picture reference.
But, no, I would not see a Stepford Wife as a godly woman, personally. They are fictional, robotic creations of man and they mock the amazing creation God designed a woman to be.

It was there, as shown above. As far as the movie being "worldly", in truth it was actually pretty clean and in the end it taught a very good lesson. But I am by no means a fan.

I don't have a problem with men taking the leadership role. I have openly encouraged it from the day I came to these forums and have actually taken a LOT of heat for that stance from both men and women.

Here's the thing though....if someone is going to assume a leadership role, they need to do so humbly and with honor, and read more carefully so that they do not needlessly cause division among their siblings in Christ. Those in leadership are held to a higher level of accountability for the damage they do to His people.

 

[seoulsearch]

Here's the thing though....if someone is going to assume a leadership role, they need to do so humbly and with honor, and read more carefully so that they do not needlessly cause division among their siblings in Christ. Those in leadership are held to a higher level of accountability for the damage they do to His people.

My apologies to Liamson if I'm derailing the thread...

Jullianna always has great insight on leadership and submission to it as a woman--she's a great example because we all know she's a strong, Godly woman who humbles herself before Godly leadership. I've seen people rip on her about it as well and I don't understand why. I've never seen her state anything unGodly about the subject in her posts. Are people just mad because what she says is true? I know I look up to her as an example of a what a wife and mother should be.

I have no interest in being a leader. I'm a servant/follower... with strong opinions but I know my role is to serve, respect, and support a good leader. It's what I do best.

Something that fascinates me most about Jesus is that His most severe corrections weren't for the "sinners" of the day--but rather, the religious leaders. The ones who condemned everyone and everything around them as being too "worldly" and in danger of God's holy wrath and hellfire. The ones who could quote the entire Scripture at the drop of a hat and reveled in being able to tell everyone they were wrong and exactly how they were doing everything wrong. The "leaders" who judged others to the letter regarding their supposed spiritual shortcomings and damnation because of it.

And yet, Jesus told THEM--THE LEADERS who passed judgment on everyone else--that THEY were the ones in danger of hellfire... much more so than the ones they accused of being worldly. If God has called someone to be a leader, whether it be a man as a husband or a woman as the head caretaker of the children, by all means, go for it. But as Jules reminded us, remember that God is the one you'll have to answer to for your position.

*shrugs* All I'm saying is, I think... We have to be careful when we try to be Super Spiritual and condemn everyone and everything around us as being too worldly or not Godly enough. There IS discernment, yes... and then there's seeing demons at every turn.

The Pharisees saw what they thought was a demon, too--fleshly, worldly, not following all the rituals and commands, why, even healing people on the Sabbath!!! THE SABBATH. NO TRUE CHRISTIAN would dare break such a Holy Law!!!

And who was this horrible, demonic figure who would dare do such a sinful, worldly thing? Why... that "demon-possessed man" was Jesus, of course.

May God always commend every one of His leaders for a job well-done and not have to call them hypocrites, vipers, or whitewashed tombs... As He had to do when He corrected the "leaders" of the day during His time on earth.

 

[Jullianna]

Thank you for your kind words, Kim. I am deeply touched by them. I have learned much from you, my friend.

I didn't want to derail Liamson's thread either, but that ship has kinda sailed, huh?

In an attempt to get us back on track, Liamson, thank you for this thread. We are all works in progress, aren't we? For me, passion is a gift from God. It stirs us to action, to take a stand. It stirred King David. It stirred Ruth. It stirred Esther. It stirred Paul.

 

[MidniteWelder]

What is this...tag team on Midnite now?
hmmm some fun for all of us

 

[seoulsearch]

What is this...tag team on Midnite now?
hmmm some fun for all of us

*shrugs* No tagging or teaming.

I think it's more of a "Follow the Leader" and since you're the man... My little worldly Stepford Self is ready to follow your lead, Midnite. (I JEST!)

 

[MidniteWelder]

*shrugs* No tagging or teaming.

I think it's more of a "Follow the Leader" and since you're the man... My little worldly Stepford Self is ready to follow your lead, Midnite. (I JEST!)

you did it Kim, that ladies and gentleman
is how its done
do you know what just went through my mind
that equality woman seem to fight over like cats and dogs
"mutual respect"
Its better than an agree to disagree type of thing
and what she did was take me off guard to the point where
Im almost at a loss for words
there's nothing left to contend, problem solved
I actually wanna make HER a sandwich now
The submission of a woman is not weakness
But one of her greatest strengths
And it comes from Faith without fear
Because now if Im wrong in how I led her, I would become responsible and disciplined by the Lord
not her
the same as us submitting to Christ who leads us is our greatest strength


And if Christ is wrong in how he led us, he becomes responsible
Not us for following
But when is Christ ever wrong?
When a man is led by God, Christ will lead a woman through him
and if the man is ever wrong God will correct him and at least she did what was right
because our actions are not contingent upon nor judged by what the other person does,
but what we ourselves do


Back to Liamson,
I'm not trying to embarrass you or anything ok but actually trying to help you if you can hopefully see that
This is out of Love man
That girl with the horse,
What I saw was you seemed somewhat disgusted by her display (otherwise why let out the instance right?)
Were you put off by the fact she wanted a horse? (which I doubt)
or by the method she used to try to convince you
....As if it was Mr.Ed and horses could talk right?
so what if you conveyed your thoughts regarding the matter to her just as you did with us?
How would you have felt if it went down something like this,
"I understand your want of a horse, But at this time I dont think its practical either financially or due to space"
and if she replied with, "Ok I respect your decision " And then dropped the matter with a good attitude


Would you have respected her less and saw her as weak for giving in to your lead?
Or respected her more for trusting you to lead with submission in the matter and not trying to wear you down to get her way.


A man leading is not to turn a woman into a slave as some may think
People invest themselves in one another
its protect not just her but both people for the strengthening of the better good of said Rship involved

A ladies submission to a man also provides that he can trust her as well with nothing to worry about.
And a lady wouldnt want to cause her man to worry just as she wouldnt want him to make her worry ...
can we agree?

 

[MidniteWelder]

Edit time ran out
I was gonna say As well a mans leadership also provides security and protection
not just from the world, but from the Lords discipline
We can see that with Sarahs example as she was blessed and protected by the Lord for her Faith in submission even when Abraham was wrong

 

[kayem77]

I'm gonna derial the derailment a little and talk about the OP. Does that even make sense? haha
After much thinking, I've realized that I wear a mask too...I think my problem is that unconciously I care too much about saying something offensive. I do say the truth when I see it necessary, but I prefer to keep the peace if its possible. I know peacemakers (or keepers) are good, but I also know that Jesus came to bring division when necessary. Sometimes I wonder if I should be more aggresive and not care about offending someone when I say the truth.
Anyways....good thread. Made me think.

 

[PopClick]

I actually wanna make HER a sandwich now

Well, get to it!

~~~

There are a couple of verses to keep in mind about peace with others:

"Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord."

"If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all."

But if there's something that should be said, I hope that I will always say it. There comes a point where holding back is doing somebody a disservice.