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kiwi_OT

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I know I know, this topic is so old hat, sort of...

But bear with me.

Im am curious for curiosities sake about peoples opinion concerning their experiences with typically secular online dating websites compared to christian ones (even CC, even though the purpose of this site isnt matchmaking).

Also can someone explain to me how they work?

Im also aware of the fact that everyone has their own biases, so how they persue people on these sites and their attitude to biblical standards of courtship makes a huge difference regardless of whether or not they call themselves a Christian.

Im asking this because of a interest piece Im writing on the subject - not for personal reasons.

Heres a few questions,

Did you ever meet a person through these sites who labelled themselves or professed to be Christian but you later found to have a very weak understanding of Jesus?/the bible?

If you met a person you really liked on these sites, how did you talk to them? (ie texting, MSN, FB, Skype, email, phone call).

How long did you communicate with them before you actually physically meet them?

And lastly how long did you know them physically before the acquantaince (or dare I say it "relationship") ended?
 
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Reikon

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Also can someone explain to me how they work?


Heres a few questions,

Did you ever meet a person through these sites who labelled themselves or professed to be Christian but you later found to have a very weak understanding of Jesus?/the bible?

If you met a person you really liked on these sites, how did you talk to them? (ie texting, MSN, FB, Skype, email, phone call).

How long did you communicate with them before you actually physically meet them?

And lastly how long did you know them physically before the acquantaince (or dare I say it "relationship") ended?
Each website for dating works differently. Most dating sites allow you to set up your profile and ask what you're looking for in someone. When you talk to someone that you find that you may be interested in them, you begin to ask more about them, what are their interests, ect.
Most regular sites, alot of people aren't interested in dating and usually you can't just go and talk to someone about wanting to date them right away. From my experience, people are more open on dating sites then on regular forum sites.

Additionally, here are the answers to your questions on my behalf:

Question 1. I have met someone who said that he was a christian. It was on a regular forum site. We dated and we were in a long distance relationships. He told me that he believed in GOD but I later found out that it wasn't true because, in the end of our relationship, he didn't want to talk about GOD and told me he didn't truly beilive in one, though he was open minded.

Question 2. I'd first get to know the person well before I even considered a date with them. I wouldn't be out looking for a relationship when I met someone on a site such as this and would rather be looking for friendship. I'm not one to rush on things and would rather not having dating as the first thing on my mind. I'd have to get to know the person real well. When I would get comfortable with the person and start having deep feelings for them, I'd slowly let it out that I liked them.
By slowly, I meant that I wouldn't just come out and say "I love you". I'd say "I want you to know that we've known eachother for awhile now and I'm starting to have alot of feelings for you." If they were interesting in dating me, the way I'd then talk to them was I'd ask more about their personal life, their aspirations, goals, ect. and ask them various questions and they'd do the same to me. But I wouldn't get into too much detail about my personal life at first. I would ask if they had email, fb, ect and, if so, I'd add them and talk to them when they were on one of them.

Question 3. Since I was in a long distance relationship, I never met them. Him and I were planning to meet but it wasn't until I was 18 which was few months away. If you are planning to meet someone that you're dating online, I'd say that only you can decide when you're ready to pyschially meet them. With everyone it's different.

Question 4. Like I stated before, I never met him pyschically because I found out he used me and he broke up with me within 3 months. And we weren't planning to meet for sometime.
 
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I used to use eharmony over a year ago, didn't pay for it, just waited for the 'free days', then send a few emails out to get in touch via facebook. I'd say noone responds, but eventually made one friend out of the site. Still do a bit of commenting on occassion on each others profiles, it died down to about once a month now. I just can't be asked with them for the moment.

I do know (second hand) my aunt used a christian dating site, the guy's hobby was organing for the church. Currently married with 4 kids, tensions come and go considering he became unemployed last year, but they still get on with good dinner table conversation when I drop by.
 
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Jullianna

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#4
I've never done the sites that were set up specifically for dating, but I have met a few guys I liked through forums.

Did you ever meet a person through these sites who labelled themselves or professed to be Christian but you later found to have a very weak understanding of Jesus?/the bible?

Only one professed to be a christian and did not appear to be (or at least didn't seem to be interested in growing beyond one trip to the altar) after getting to know him a little better, so I didn't meet him.

If you met a person you really liked on these sites, how did you talk to them? (ie texting, MSN, FB, Skype, email, phone call).

By phone mostly (the phone bills were awful...), as well as MSN, email and eventually in person.

How long did you communicate with them before you actually physically meet them?

Of the four I liked, I only met two of them after talking with them a LOT over a few months.

And lastly how long did you know them physically before the acquantaince (or dare I say it "relationship") ended?

Of the two I met, I only saw one of them once. I saw the other one about once a month for about six months because he lived several states away.
 
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Jullianna

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oops..there was a guy I met in a forum (a fellow officer) who was from my hometown and I did meet him once when I when to visit my family, but it's been a few years ago, so I totally forgot him :)
 
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mayukiko

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In my country, which our Asia country have the most spam online dating forum or chat. I have once been caught in a guy who asking me for living together and he said he is from UK. But lastly of I do know is the Spam (meaning is a trick by someone or something) So, I try to follow his plan and wait chance to strike back. In the end, although he called to my cellphone which give different name and keep scold him till non stop. Then I report to the Police. Sadly is our Police Sector didn't take any action. Due to their research my evidence is not enough. I'm quite angry about it because I do still obtain the contact number. If they do hard working, they do call and try to track the call from and capture the spammers....

But anyway I want to tell the Asians people please don't try to trust the website chat. there 80% are trap and you don't try to give more information even is fake information. They do have some professional are track the phone device or even can able to know more of your life. with your single email address. Try to ignore or delete your email if he knew who are you, or separate your p&c information with 2 emails.
 
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thimsrebma

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I currently use eharmony. I have never met anyone in person from there but have breifly messaged back and forth.

One of the first guys I met was professing Christ but was surely not walking the walk. First off he sent me a message that said "**** girl you fine!" as the title. here is a word for word transcript of our emails

Him: I notice that you have look at my profile and did not leave a massage. Whta you not interested.
Me: In your profile you stated that your relationship with God is very important to you. You also said one of the things you cannot live without is sex. Isn't that contradictory?
Him:What do god get to do with sex. I f you ask every on that you know that ,than tell me the responds you get. with loving sex get to do with loving god. Do you know what your asking me??????????????????????????
Me: God has to do with everything. If you truely love God then you would attempt to obey his commandments and llive as he says. That does not include boasting about fornication. No I am not perfect but I try everyday to live for and serve him. I wish you the best of luck in all future endeavours. God Bless and follow the Lord Jesus Christ.
Him:Good luck wih that I see you not the one for me. You must never had none. You are just do not have a sex drive. There are allot of people the loves god and not married and love to have sex and do it.
Me:
John 14:21, "He who has my commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me."
Romans 12:1 "I beseech you therefore, brethern, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God which is your reasonable service."
Luke 6:46, "But why do you call me Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
Him: so what is you point. Tell these to some one that cares

After that I felt there was no need to even try to get him to se how he was so wrong and fake.
Most of the other guys I have messaged have been pretty nice and Christian but just not compatible.
 

Liamson

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I met and dated someone online. The thing that struck me the most was how human the reality of being with them was. In a way I was expecting something to happen chemistry wise and it didn't.

People struggle with things and I don't think I was ready to help someone through a long distance relationship overcome their fears, barriers, addictions, habits and issues. Sometimes helping someone can be an experience to grow on and other times, its something new for me to have to face in my own life. There are some things that I can't deal with or I suppose I don't know how. Those things can lead to insecurities, doubt and mistrust. That can make trying to get to know them deeper unnecessarily difficult. Or I might feel tempted to follow them in what they are doing. (not cool)

Which I suppose is why a lot of people shop online because the reality of reality is far harsher to them than the way they are treated by the people who can't fully understand them, yet see them everyday.

In November I moved back to my hometown. People don't see the experience of where I've been, what I've seen, and how I am. They see only what their expectations of my childhood have led them to see. If I was to be stuck here, I would probably consider dating online again.
 
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kiwi_OT

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I met and dated someone online. The thing that struck me the most was how human the reality of being with them was. In a way I was expecting something to happen chemistry wise and it didn't.

People struggle with things and I don't think I was ready to help someone through a long distance relationship overcome their fears, barriers, addictions, habits and issues. Sometimes helping someone can be an experience to grow on and other times, its something new for me to have to face in my own life. There are some things that I can't deal with or I suppose I don't know how. Those things can lead to insecurities, doubt and mistrust. That can make trying to get to know them deeper unnecessarily difficult. Or I might feel tempted to follow them in what they are doing. (not cool)

Which I suppose is why a lot of people shop online because the reality of reality is far harsher to them than the way they are treated by the people who can't fully understand them, yet see them everyday.

In November I moved back to my hometown. People don't see the experience of where I've been, what I've seen, and how I am. They see only what their expectations of my childhood have led them to see. If I was to be stuck here, I would probably consider dating online again.
Well you can be rest assured that Jesus knows what your going through (re how Jesus' relative and folks from his hometown treated him..)
 
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Tatz

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#10
Well, i have not met and dated anyone online but i have met great friends through a christian chatroom belonging to a christian radio station back here. Most of the friends i have met online have proved to be who they said they were. Born again christians, spirit filled, headed straight to heaven. I have also met those who cliamed to be christians but they are not.

On marriage, on this wonderful group of people, there are couples who met online got married and as far as am concerned they are normal families, ie happily married :)
 
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anna458

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so are there any sites that people would recommend...?
 
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I met a girl I knew on VF once... but that relatonship didnt last long she basically tried to eat me... and I mean that in a very literal sense o_O Never go out with people who think their vampires, you always end up on the menu.
 
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Jullianna

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I currently use eharmony. I have never met anyone in person from there but have breifly messaged back and forth.

One of the first guys I met was professing Christ but was surely not walking the walk. First off he sent me a message that said "**** girl you fine!" as the title. here is a word for word transcript of our emails

Him: I notice that you have look at my profile and did not leave a massage. Whta you not interested.
Me: In your profile you stated that your relationship with God is very important to you. You also said one of the things you cannot live without is sex. Isn't that contradictory?
Him:What do god get to do with sex. I f you ask every on that you know that ,than tell me the responds you get. with loving sex get to do with loving god. Do you know what your asking me??????????????????????????
Me: God has to do with everything. If you truely love God then you would attempt to obey his commandments and llive as he says. That does not include boasting about fornication. No I am not perfect but I try everyday to live for and serve him. I wish you the best of luck in all future endeavours. God Bless and follow the Lord Jesus Christ.
Him:Good luck wih that I see you not the one for me. You must never had none. You are just do not have a sex drive. There are allot of people the loves god and not married and love to have sex and do it.
Me:
John 14:21, "He who has my commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me."
Romans 12:1 "I beseech you therefore, brethern, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God which is your reasonable service."
Luke 6:46, "But why do you call me Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
Him: so what is you point. Tell these to some one that cares

After that I felt there was no need to even try to get him to se how he was so wrong and fake.
Most of the other guys I have messaged have been pretty nice and Christian but just not compatible.
I think players like this guy are the main reason I reeeeeeeeeally have to get to know someone before I want to meet them. So many times a guy will express an interest and just when you think he might be sincere and you want to get to know him better, you see him online flirting with someone else, so you think...hmmmm....I don't think so..and just move on.
 
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kiwi_OT

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I think players like this guy are the main reason I reeeeeeeeeally have to get to know someone before I want to meet them. So many times a guy will express an interest and just when you think he might be sincere and you want to get to know him better, you see him online flirting with someone else, so you think...hmmmm....I don't think so..and just move on.
But isnt the best way to get to know someone is seeing them physically and witnessing them and how they handle a situation.

Another thing that worries me is all the posts Ive seen on this thread where people say they dont ask the other persons goals, christian walk UNTIL theyve developed feelings for them. Second thing Ive noticed is peoples interpretation of 'God' No one in this thread has answered my question re figuring out their online friends christian walk Im not trying to diminish God the father but the reason that we're all Christian and Not Jewish is because of JESUS. Heres a major trap I believe Christians fall under with communicating online. Just because someone believes in some God or another or is sympathetic to the notion of the Jewish and Christian concept of a bearded overseeing God dude on a throne doesnt mean their a walking in faith Christian! The bible says that even demons and Satan believe in God. So if you meet a guy/girl online and this person says I believe in God, question it! Ask things like,

Do you go to church every week? And have you been baptised and made a member of that church?
If they say no, dont expect or persue a romantic acquaintance with them, regular attendance at church means that theyve allowed themselves to be under submission to church leadership this includes men and women. If theyve answered yes that means theyve passed onto the next test question.

What theology does your church support?
So theyve proved their a christian? Cool, now this question answers whether theres a chance of you being unequally yoked in theology. For example, if you go to a pentecostal church and you meet this really sweet reasonably sincere christian guy online and find out that he is catholic. Im not picking on my catholic brothers and sisters, but in a relationship with those two major differences, you will be arguing a lot and will predictably have no agreement in what is supposed to be the number one priority in your life. Do a bit of research if you must. But ask basic things like: Do you believe that Jesus was born of a virgin and lived without sin? Do you believe in his ministry? Do you believe in his death and resurrection? Do you believe he died because of your sin? Do you believe in the Holy Spirit? Do you believe in the authority and accuracy of the bible? If they answer no, or avoid any of these basic questions or try to reword them without giving you a straight answer, then their faith is weak and VERY questionable and you shouldnt pursue them romantically.

Are you involved in any ministry/Are you called to a particular ministry/What has God made you passionate about.
Being involved in a ministry tells you that theyre actively pursuing christian fellowship outide of typical Sunday worship. Secondly every christian should have a calling no matter how simple. Some have a calling of being a mom and wife and raising children in the Lord, others have a calling to local and international missions. All three are just as equal in worth. Being involved in a ministry also tells you again that their under the guidance of some form of leader that they can look up to. Thirdly, (and this was the question that made me VERY interested in my now fiance), is asking a christian what God makes them passionate about tells you a huge amount about that person. When a person is genuine they will speak happily and with unbelievable passion and joy of whatever God has put in their heart. If a person replies "I dunno." It doesn't necessarily mean that theyve lied or their not a Christian, but could be that they are a new believer who hasn't got that far yet in their walk.

How long have you been a christian? What has your christian walk been like for the past 5 years?
Most people would ask this question at the beginning but I would leave this for last. Mainly because theres a lot of people out there who were raised Christians but are now what you'd call a backslider. Many in this instance will say theyve been a christian since they were five, they remember the bible reasonably enough so can give the impression of being all devout without letting it slip that theyve been unrepentantly sinning for some time (trust me I used to be one). This is why I get disappointed at Christians settling for some vaguely christian answer to this question without asking for more proof. A person saying theyve been a christian since birth doesnt prove anything. Asking them to talk of their walk with Jesus does.

What are you studying in your bible at the moment? Whats your prayer life like?
Who cares about their washboard abs, someone who reads their bible regularly and likes to discuss it and prays is capital H O T. Although if all they ever read is the book of revelation and suspiciously researched 'end days' related material, run far far away... If their obsessed with single words from only one bible translation and making sermons out of them, run far away. If they enjoy arguing over secondary issues like dinosaurs, worship styles, denominations for the sake of being right and not edification, again far far away.

Once you've got all this down pat and the person has passed all your questions THEN you can discuss what your favorite colour is.

Some will say, Melody this sounds mean and harsh and like a test! Well boohoo!! Its common sense people. And asking the hard questions first before you become emotionally attached/involved in a person you've not physically met is smart and saving you days, weeks and months worth of crying into your pillow every night.
 
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basschick

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I've tried eHarmony in the past, met, dated, and broke up with 3 men, and have decided that they thing that I'm designed to be with closet freaks, haha. All three of them claimed to be good Christians. The first one I met after communicating online through eHarmony with for 2 months and we started dating, but after 4 or 5 months something felt very wrong. After praying about it things were broken off, and less than a year later he was convicted for child molestation. The second one I communicated with online through the site, a social networking site, and yahoo messenger for 4 months before meeting in person and dating. We dated for 5 months before he started being physically abusive and I broke things off. I was harassed and threatened for 9 months after the breakup, but because I moved across the country I didn't pursue any legal action. I still get the occasional random message or text from him (I don't recommend dating a sociopathic computer programmer-they find out how to get around any block that websites have). With the last one I spoke with him online through the website for about a month before meeting in person and then started dating shortly after. I was so excited-I was so happy to have met a man who was real and wasn't crazy! We dated through the summer and into the fall and then got engaged. After a few weeks he broke things off because it turned out that he had some very radical views that he wasn't willing to compromise or budge at all on and we came to an impasse. After the breakup I was informed that it was all my fault that he became a depressed drunk and that I made him break up with me, because I wasn't willing to risk my health (It's a LONG story I don't want to get into...). Online dating has certainly provided quite a few adventures! And I've learned that people use the term 'Christian' pretty loosely, and have no problem playing the part to impress someone.
 
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Jullianna

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But isnt the best way to get to know someone is seeing them physically and witnessing them and how they handle a situation.
I like to get to know people by watching their interactions with others, not just me. When someone is alone with just us, it's easy to fake it for a time, but when others are around, whether online or in person, you can see little things you might miss otherwise...especially re: matters of faith. Are they just talking it or do they live it?
 
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kiwi_OT

Guest
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I've tried eHarmony in the past, met, dated, and broke up with 3 men, and have decided that they thing that I'm designed to be with closet freaks, haha. All three of them claimed to be good Christians. The first one I met after communicating online through eHarmony with for 2 months and we started dating, but after 4 or 5 months something felt very wrong. After praying about it things were broken off, and less than a year later he was convicted for child molestation. The second one I communicated with online through the site, a social networking site, and yahoo messenger for 4 months before meeting in person and dating. We dated for 5 months before he started being physically abusive and I broke things off. I was harassed and threatened for 9 months after the breakup, but because I moved across the country I didn't pursue any legal action. I still get the occasional random message or text from him (I don't recommend dating a sociopathic computer programmer-they find out how to get around any block that websites have). With the last one I spoke with him online through the website for about a month before meeting in person and then started dating shortly after. I was so excited-I was so happy to have met a man who was real and wasn't crazy! We dated through the summer and into the fall and then got engaged. After a few weeks he broke things off because it turned out that he had some very radical views that he wasn't willing to compromise or budge at all on and we came to an impasse. After the breakup I was informed that it was all my fault that he became a depressed drunk and that I made him break up with me, because I wasn't willing to risk my health (It's a LONG story I don't want to get into...). Online dating has certainly provided quite a few adventures! And I've learned that people use the term 'Christian' pretty loosely, and have no problem playing the part to impress someone.
Look at my previous post, and tell me if you asked any of those guys you talked about any of those questions I put on my post.
 
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thimsrebma

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#18
But isnt the best way to get to know someone is seeing them physically and witnessing them and how they handle a situation.

Another thing that worries me is all the posts Ive seen on this thread where people say they dont ask the other persons goals, christian walk UNTIL theyve developed feelings for them. Second thing Ive noticed is peoples interpretation of 'God' No one in this thread has answered my question re figuring out their online friends christian walk Im not trying to diminish God the father but the reason that we're all Christian and Not Jewish is because of JESUS. Heres a major trap I believe Christians fall under with communicating online. Just because someone believes in some God or another or is sympathetic to the notion of the Jewish and Christian concept of a bearded overseeing God dude on a throne doesnt mean their a walking in faith Christian! The bible says that even demons and Satan believe in God. So if you meet a guy/girl online and this person says I believe in God, question it! Ask things like,

Do you go to church every week? And have you been baptised and made a member of that church?
If they say no, dont expect or persue a romantic acquaintance with them, regular attendance at church means that theyve allowed themselves to be under submission to church leadership this includes men and women. If theyve answered yes that means theyve passed onto the next test question.

What theology does your church support?
So theyve proved their a christian? Cool, now this question answers whether theres a chance of you being unequally yoked in theology. For example, if you go to a pentecostal church and you meet this really sweet reasonably sincere christian guy online and find out that he is catholic. Im not picking on my catholic brothers and sisters, but in a relationship with those two major differences, you will be arguing a lot and will predictably have no agreement in what is supposed to be the number one priority in your life. Do a bit of research if you must. But ask basic things like: Do you believe that Jesus was born of a virgin and lived without sin? Do you believe in his ministry? Do you believe in his death and resurrection? Do you believe he died because of your sin? Do you believe in the Holy Spirit? Do you believe in the authority and accuracy of the bible? If they answer no, or avoid any of these basic questions or try to reword them without giving you a straight answer, then their faith is weak and VERY questionable and you shouldnt pursue them romantically.

Are you involved in any ministry/Are you called to a particular ministry/What has God made you passionate about.
Being involved in a ministry tells you that theyre actively pursuing christian fellowship outide of typical Sunday worship. Secondly every christian should have a calling no matter how simple. Some have a calling of being a mom and wife and raising children in the Lord, others have a calling to local and international missions. All three are just as equal in worth. Being involved in a ministry also tells you again that their under the guidance of some form of leader that they can look up to. Thirdly, (and this was the question that made me VERY interested in my now fiance), is asking a christian what God makes them passionate about tells you a huge amount about that person. When a person is genuine they will speak happily and with unbelievable passion and joy of whatever God has put in their heart. If a person replies "I dunno." It doesn't necessarily mean that theyve lied or their not a Christian, but could be that they are a new believer who hasn't got that far yet in their walk.

How long have you been a christian? What has your christian walk been like for the past 5 years?
Most people would ask this question at the beginning but I would leave this for last. Mainly because theres a lot of people out there who were raised Christians but are now what you'd call a backslider. Many in this instance will say theyve been a christian since they were five, they remember the bible reasonably enough so can give the impression of being all devout without letting it slip that theyve been unrepentantly sinning for some time (trust me I used to be one). This is why I get disappointed at Christians settling for some vaguely christian answer to this question without asking for more proof. A person saying theyve been a christian since birth doesnt prove anything. Asking them to talk of their walk with Jesus does.

What are you studying in your bible at the moment? Whats your prayer life like?
Who cares about their washboard abs, someone who reads their bible regularly and likes to discuss it and prays is capital H O T. Although if all they ever read is the book of revelation and suspiciously researched 'end days' related material, run far far away... If their obsessed with single words from only one bible translation and making sermons out of them, run far away. If they enjoy arguing over secondary issues like dinosaurs, worship styles, denominations for the sake of being right and not edification, again far far away.

Once you've got all this down pat and the person has passed all your questions THEN you can discuss what your favorite colour is.

Some will say, Melody this sounds mean and harsh and like a test! Well boohoo!! Its common sense people. And asking the hard questions first before you become emotionally attached/involved in a person you've not physically met is smart and saving you days, weeks and months worth of crying into your pillow every night.
I dont think anyone intentionally ignored that question I think you had alot of questions in the original post and we just picked one or two to answer.

I do agree with you about asking the hard questions. THose things are important to ask anyone not just someone you meet online.

Generally online there is a guided protocal in asking questions. Eharmony lets you read each others profiles, then ask pre selected multiple choice questions then short answer or essay questions and then later you can call each other or send email. So maybe for some people they never get to that point online where they are asking those types of questions. Online is actually alot easier to weed people out. In person you may meet a "nice guy" but its usually sugar coated stuff in the beginnig before you relaize who they truely are. Online you can view their profile and see by certain answers to questions who they are. Just like the guy who was messaging me. I new from his initial profile that I wasnt interested.
 
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basschick

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Look at my previous post, and tell me if you asked any of those guys you talked about any of those questions I put on my post.
Sorry-I wasn't looking for advice, I was answering your initial questions because you said you were writing something on the subject :) I think I answered each of them, just not by breaking it down and grouping them....
But actually, yes I did make up a list of questions before I even ever started dating at all that I asked them before ever committing to meet them or give out any form of personal contact information. I made up my own little list that included if/how often they went to church, how often they went, what they believed, what they felt they were meant to do with their lives and what goals they had, what they did to strengthen their relationship with God and how they spent time with Him, and some other things I don't recall right at the moment, but could get off of my external hard drive.
 
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Shows that you cant make an effort and go out in the real world and find some1 youre compatible with so you go online as a fake most of the time, and you get to know some1 who in most cases are completely different to what they explained and you will probably be disapointed.