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CatHerder

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hmmmmm.....so a while back I was the musical director for a project that a Christian non-profit group did....I invoiced them for our agreed upon amount, and have not gotten paid yet. They had some setbacks, and I have been understanding, but they have also taken on some other projects they did not need to instead of paying me, so it hasn't been a priority with them.

Based on 1 Cor 6:1-7, taking them to small claims court would not be the appropriate response, though I would probably win, so do I - -

A) give them the invoice again, inquiring about the status?
B) give them the invoice again, and cc their board, so they are aware of the situation?
C) let it go, requesting that they provide documentation that the services rendered can be considered a donation so that I can at least use this for tax purposes?
D) Do nothing and just accept that I have been defrauded (vs. 7 below)

It's NOT about the money. I can afford the not getting paid, as this is not my main source of income. I see it as a chance for them to correct themselves too. I believe that God will honor a Christian non-profit that is doing His work and is also conducting ethical business practices.

Anyhoo - - here is 1 Cor 6:1-7. I feel the Lord wants me to tie up this loose end, but other than that, I don't feel Him leading any particular way. I'm okay not getting paid, but I don't want to be a doormat either.

Thoughts? Advice?

Thanks in advance!

Steve

[h=3]1 Corinthians 6:1-7[/h]English Standard Version (ESV)

[h=3]Lawsuits Against Believers[/h]6 When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? [SUP]2 [/SUP]Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! [SUP]4 [/SUP]So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? [SUP]5 [/SUP]I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, [SUP]6 [/SUP]but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? [SUP]7 [/SUP]To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?
 
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Catherder: How long has it been, if you don't mind sharing? Have you sent only the one invoice, or multiple invoices? My suggestion would be to send another invoice, perhaps with a reminder that the balance is due by such-and-such date (maybe give them 15 days), and ask that they contact you as soon as possible to make payment arrangements. If you know them personally, you could add something like, "Sorry to bring this up, but I really need to get my accounts settled before the end of the year." Sending it via mail might be more formal, as well.

Hopefully they will get the idea and pay you soon! This is just business... and artists gotta eat. :) It doesn't sound like you've reached the point that the scripture references was addressing, quite yet.
 

DuchessAimee

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The random questions I think of, I just don't know about my mind sometimes.

For instance, is a potato harder or softer than a human?

I thought of this, as I was fixing a potato, and I stabbed it a few times so it doesn't explode in the microwave, and it was so easy to stab, the knife just glided in, and I thought "I wonder if a human is that easy to just stab", like no resistance in the muscle or anything.

Eek. My questions aren't usually that...morbid. Promise. They're usually equally dumb, though.


Your question isn't morbid. It's answerable. :D



Okay. So, a potato is harder than muscle, your organs, and hair. I'm not sure about nails. Anyway, it is not harder than bone; especially if the bone has been previously broken. The knife entered the potato so easily because 1) you're quite strong and/or 2) the knife was rather sharp. It would be easy to set up an experiment, but I don't live near you. And we would need a freshly dead body to REALLY run the experiment right. So... you'll just have to take my word for it.
 

CatHerder

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Your question isn't morbid. It's answerable. :D



Okay. So, a potato is harder than muscle, your organs, and hair. I'm not sure about nails. Anyway, it is not harder than bone; especially if the bone has been previously broken. The knife entered the potato so easily because 1) you're quite strong and/or 2) the knife was rather sharp. It would be easy to set up an experiment, but I don't live near you. And we would need a freshly dead body to REALLY run the experiment right. So... you'll just have to take my word for it.
This could be fun! I'm so in!

You guys bring the potato, I'll get the dead body!


























...just don't ask
 

CatHerder

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Catherder: How long has it been, if you don't mind sharing? Have you sent only the one invoice, or multiple invoices? My suggestion would be to send another invoice, perhaps with a reminder that the balance is due by such-and-such date (maybe give them 15 days), and ask that they contact you as soon as possible to make payment arrangements. If you know them personally, you could add something like, "Sorry to bring this up, but I really need to get my accounts settled before the end of the year." Sending it via mail might be more formal, as well.

Hopefully they will get the idea and pay you soon! This is just business... and artists gotta eat. :) It doesn't sound like you've reached the point that the scripture references was addressing, quite yet.
Hi GLR - Thanks for responding! I was considering putting this in "miscellaneous" even though I'm not familiar with all that hang out there. Plus, since contract work is what you do, I was particularly interested in YOUR point of view on this, as this is a situation you may or may have run into.

Yes, the gal who runs this organization is a friend. About a month after the service, after dealing with the aftermath of the show, I invoiced them and was told I would get paid from whatever was left after paying the theater, advertising, etc....nothing. Then was told I would get paid after their next project....nothing. Then they expand, getting a lease on a place. Facebook posts say they are always struggling and there always seems to be a lot of drama that is so prevalent in Facebook, but the Lord is faithful and they are confident that He will provide....yada yada. So months go by. The service was actually over a year ago. So yes, I only sent the one invoice, but it's not like she lost it or anything, because she says in her panicked dramatic state, "I'm so sorry it's taken so long! We've got this going on right now, so we will pay you as soon as X happens!" Then after X happens, it's something else with the same line. Rinse, repeat until you arrive at 11/14/13.

So yeah....I think I gotta send it again.
 
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arwen83

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hmmmmm.....so a while back I was the musical director for a project that a Christian non-profit group did....I invoiced them for our agreed upon amount, and have not gotten paid yet. They had some setbacks, and I have been understanding, but they have also taken on some other projects they did not need to instead of paying me, so it hasn't been a priority with them.

Based on 1 Cor 6:1-7, taking them to small claims court would not be the appropriate response, though I would probably win, so do I - -

A) give them the invoice again, inquiring about the status?
B) give them the invoice again, and cc their board, so they are aware of the situation?
C) let it go, requesting that they provide documentation that the services rendered can be considered a donation so that I can at least use this for tax purposes?
D) Do nothing and just accept that I have been defrauded (vs. 7 below)

It's NOT about the money. I can afford the not getting paid, as this is not my main source of income. I see it as a chance for them to correct themselves too. I believe that God will honor a Christian non-profit that is doing His work and is also conducting ethical business practices.

Anyhoo - - here is 1 Cor 6:1-7. I feel the Lord wants me to tie up this loose end, but other than that, I don't feel Him leading any particular way. I'm okay not getting paid, but I don't want to be a doormat either.

Thoughts? Advice?

Thanks in advance!

Steve

1 Corinthians 6:1-7

English Standard Version (ESV)

Lawsuits Against Believers

6 When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? [SUP]2 [/SUP]Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! [SUP]4 [/SUP]So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? [SUP]5 [/SUP]I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, [SUP]6 [/SUP]but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? [SUP]7 [/SUP]To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?
I pick B. Give em another chance, if not I would go above them. Labor board before claims court? Must be someone you can go to before going straight to court? The deal was you would get paid for your services which you have done. That's what I would do regardless if the organization was Christian or not.
 

CatHerder

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I pick B. Give em another chance, if not I would go above them. Labor board before claims court? Must be someone you can go to before going straight to court? The deal was you would get paid for your services which you have done. That's what I would do regardless if the organization was Christian or not.
Yes. Another chance. The board I meant would be the board members that nonprofits are to have, by law, to make sure operations and finances are all kosher. I don't know if Canadian nonprofits work the same way.

Thanks!
 
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MissCris

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Yay, nightmares and heart burn.

AND I appear to have broken a nail.

Not sure which the worst part is here.
 

Immawildthing

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I just got hit with one of those really depressing waves of loneliness. I haven't talked to anyone outside my family for a little over a week, but that's motherhood for ya. I don't even know what I'm doing up right now, it's late.
 
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GreenNnice

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I'm not being facetious to someone's above post, but when they said 'I can't get you out of my mind,' I started thinking of a Rez Band song of the same words. I can't, I can't, get you outta my mind. No, I can't . I can't.

I would need to listen to the lyrics, but I am thinking that it's Christ that this person can't get out of their mind.


What a wonderful thought, eh ?

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And, yeah, ugly, 'hideous.' :D
 
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Bryancampbell

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I feel like Jeremiah...
Take me away like Elijah
Make me strong like Samson, but in heart and mind
Keep me humble like Paul
Keep my lips preserved like the wisdom of Solomon with wisdom!
Make me fall deeper in You than David
Give me double portion of Your Spirit
Help me be quick to repent like Nineveh
Keep me in your grace
May my faith be stronger than Abraham
Be patient with me like Elijah, like Paul, like all of our leaders and ancestors before us that kept your word!
Amen.

~~~Streams of consciousness and thoughts~~
 
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I just got hit with one of those really depressing waves of loneliness. I haven't talked to anyone outside my family for a little over a week, but that's motherhood for ya. I don't even know what I'm doing up right now, it's late.
Hang in there, Lin. Jesus is with you. God bless you and the baby.

"I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." - (John 14:18 KJV)

 
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arwen83

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I just got hit with one of those really depressing waves of loneliness. I haven't talked to anyone outside my family for a little over a week, but that's motherhood for ya. I don't even know what I'm doing up right now, it's late.
Baby blues? I'd say take a day to go out and treat yourself for a 'me day'. Call up some friends to come over?
 
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arwen83

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Lastnight I dreamt of a man that does not exist. You were happy with a very unattractive lady, a soulmate as you referred to her as. And my heart sank. I woke feeling a sweet sadness as though it wasn't a dream.
 

lil_christian

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Well, I'm feeling TONS better this morning than I have these past few days. I'm soooo glad. I have my energy back. Which means I could get stuff done that I couldn't get done this week. Schoolwork, cleaning my room, and laundry. We might be putting our house back on the market soon, so I REALLY gotta straighten up my room. Might ask Mom to help me with organizing.

Bad news? I still can't sing. I've tried but only air and squeaks come out. I rreeeaalllyy need my voice back by Sunday... could y'all pray for me? :) Thanks and God bless!!
 

Liamson

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I don't know why but this reminds me of Itore....

[video=youtube;TN8YQVM1GQI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN8YQVM1GQI[/video]
 
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kenthomas27

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Hi GLR - Thanks for responding! I was considering putting this in "miscellaneous" even though I'm not familiar with all that hang out there. Plus, since contract work is what you do, I was particularly interested in YOUR point of view on this, as this is a situation you may or may have run into.

Yes, the gal who runs this organization is a friend. About a month after the service, after dealing with the aftermath of the show, I invoiced them and was told I would get paid from whatever was left after paying the theater, advertising, etc....nothing. Then was told I would get paid after their next project....nothing. Then they expand, getting a lease on a place. Facebook posts say they are always struggling and there always seems to be a lot of drama that is so prevalent in Facebook, but the Lord is faithful and they are confident that He will provide....yada yada. So months go by. The service was actually over a year ago. So yes, I only sent the one invoice, but it's not like she lost it or anything, because she says in her panicked dramatic state, "I'm so sorry it's taken so long! We've got this going on right now, so we will pay you as soon as X happens!" Then after X happens, it's something else with the same line. Rinse, repeat until you arrive at 11/14/13.

So yeah....I think I gotta send it again.
You live in California right? California SR 1446.06 strictly forbids invoicing more than once to a non-profit.























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