The Pope is Afraid to Speak the Truth Publicly.

[overthechill]

I just personally find it interesting that I see so many Christians rant and rave about homosexuals, as if they are somehow the worst of sinners... While forgetting that the things many heterosexual people engage in that are just as sinful, and, I would argue (I know some would disagree), unnatural.

I often wonder if some Christians see homosexuals as a "red herring" (distraction) from their own sins. You know... something like... "Sure, I make mistakes... BUT LOOK AT THOSE EVIL HOMOSEXUALS!!! I AM SUCH A GOOD CHRISTIAN BECAUSE I WILL NOT TOLERATE SUCH HORRIBLE SIN!!"

As if they're so pure themselves. In the process of pointing the finger at homosexuals, they somehow forget they last time they struggled with lust, tried to convince a partner to do something they didn't want to do, spent the night with someone they weren't married with, or watched something they shouldn't have watched.

It's funny... dig below the surface a bit... ask a few questions... and suddenly, they don't have as much to say.

I always wonder... why? You had so much to say before. Why not now, when asked a direct, and, what should be, for them (because they seem to know the moral way), a very simple question.

Look - I don't really see homosexuality as such a horrible sin especially compared to other sins. It's just that homosexuals are so in my face all the time. I've said this before, but if you are a drunk and tell me that your drunkeness is acceptable behavior and you should be able to drive, I'd still consider being a drunk as sinful behavior and would stand against your right to drive as a drunk. I'm not particularly judgemental toward adulterers either because the behavior of cheating on your spouse can not be considered normal even if thousands of adulterers started marching on Washington. Then again, adulterers are not challenging their right to cheat. Speaking of cheats, we allow Las Vegas to discriminate against cheats all the time. They don't allow them to step foot in their place and we don't have a problem with that obvious bias. So what's different exactly with homosexuality? The bible is certainly clear enough that it's a sin. We going to revise it so that it's OK now? Is that how sin gets forgiven?

 

[seoulsearch]

I most certainly do NOT believe homosexuality is right at all. I believe it is a sin condemned by God. But so are all the other sins that all of us commit as a fallen human species.

I find it disheartening when so much emphasis is put on the issue of homosexuality without also addressing the sexual sins among the heterosexual community as well.

Sex with the same sex is wrong. I'm not arguing that at all

But here's my question, and I'll just say it bluntly because I was trying to be polite and I guess that wasn't working.

Is a man blameless and not committing a sin if he asks for/expects anal sex from his wife? (I know the example in my last post was of rape--in this case, I'm talking about mutual consent.) Is this wrong?

Is such an action only wrong when it's committed between two men, or is it also wrong when a married couple participates in such a behavior?

The reason I'm asking is because I see so much emphasis placed on homosexual behavior, and I have known more than a few women whose husbands ask this of them. I am wondering what the Christian answer is. I personally feel that if it is wrong between a man and a man, and if it is wrong between a man and a woman, we can't place all the emphasis on one group committing the sin and completely sweep the other group behind a closed door that no one talks about.

 

[overthechill]

I most certainly do NOT believe homosexuality is right at all. I believe it is a sin condemned by God. But so are all the other sins that all of us commit as a fallen human species.

I find it disheartening when so much emphasis is put on the issue of homosexuality without also addressing the sexual sins among the heterosexual community as well.

Oh. I didn'tg really know that was where you were going with this. So.

Sex with the same sex is wrong. I'm not arguing that at all

But here's my question, and I'll just say it bluntly because I was trying to be polite and I guess that wasn't working.

Is a man blameless and not committing a sin if he asks for/expects anal sex from his wife? (I know the example in my last post was of rape--in this case, I'm talking about mutual consent.) Is this wrong?

Is such an action only wrong when it's committed between two men, or is it also wrong when a married couple participates in such a behavior?

The reason I'm asking is because I see so much emphasis placed on homosexual behavior, and I have known more than a few women whose husbands ask this of them. I am wondering what the Christian answer is. I personally feel that if it is wrong between a man and a man, and if it is wrong between a man and a woman, we can't place all the emphasis on one group committing the sin and completely sweep the other group behind a closed door that no one talks about.

Oh. I didn't really know that was what you were asking. So. OK - sodomy is defined a couple of different ways - the act of any copulation between people of the same sex or animals and also defined as any non-coital sexual acts expecially oral or anal with the opposite sex. The bible speaks of sodomy specifically in Leviticus 20:13,15-16 and elsewhere and Romans 1:24, 28 and clearly labels sodomy as dishonorable to the body and is looked upon unfavorably by God. So, to answer your question, those acts with a wife clearly dishonors the womans body and would not be the way a Godly man treats his mate that he is "one" with. It also clearly dishonors the male's body and the Godly wife would not alow her husband, whom she is one with, to dishonor himself before their shared God.

 

[seoulsearch]

You took the time to read and answer my questions...

My humblest respect to you. Many thanks!

 

[isaria]

Is it not so the pope said some thing about the homosexual priests "outnumbering" and "dominering" the others in the vote and voice of homosexuality and even when voting that the homosexuals always voted for eachother and held some kind of "pacts".
This is what I heard.

I think it is difficult being the pope and a lot of pressure and remember there is votes that occur and may be even bad behaviours and crime and threates amoung some.
It does not lay on him alone.
He could of been threatened.
There are some very powerful homosexuals and presidents (out of or not out of closet ). Homosexuals can bully as well and be very nasty so it is not always other way round, on the contrary.

Agree with seaulsearch , there is other sins written of such as incest, rape, abuse, adultery etc.
But should we allow them in the church as well because "he likes younger girls... and so do majority so lets vote we can marry childrena and sex them....
Change the scriptures to suit the desrie and will.

I watched a documentary program where it was told that a group of men in power changed scriptures to suit what they want it to be according to their likes.Meaning that what we read is not all "there" and even what is...is being changed.

It may be brave today to stand against homosexual marriages in church or it may be brave to stand for them.

Sexuality is in the end ones right of choice.
The Mohammed chooses if he wants a 5 year old wife.
The homosexual chooses to love and lust same sex.
The sadist Dr chooses to have surgery and wake patient up while cut open no pain relief and see a man masturbating and a woman plastic surgery to look like patient while dr say "i want watch you suffer".
The monk or priest may choose celibacy.

As a woman whom does not want to marry some one who is already married and she does not like them for the evil they did to her ...has the right to say no.
And no is a no.
When years and years she said no and rape and isolation and bullying and stealing money and other things occured she can ask for help if they are to famous and educated and have to much power so they missuse it bad to her as they stole her time etc.


Im saying: I dont think the pope is to blame.
He spoke up once but if majority voted against him and he is out numbered and or threatened...
Bad things happen we never hear about.

It difficult job to do and God help him do best he can and may be he feels he as pope should not judge homosexuals but if God does so then so with God.

 

[Nautilus]

I most certainly do NOT believe homosexuality is right at all. I believe it is a sin condemned by God. But so are all the other sins that all of us commit as a fallen human species.

I find it disheartening when so much emphasis is put on the issue of homosexuality without also addressing the sexual sins among the heterosexual community as well.

Sex with the same sex is wrong. I'm not arguing that at all

But here's my question, and I'll just say it bluntly because I was trying to be polite and I guess that wasn't working.

Is a man blameless and not committing a sin if he asks for/expects anal sex from his wife? (I know the example in my last post was of rape--in this case, I'm talking about mutual consent.) Is this wrong?

Is such an action only wrong when it's committed between two men, or is it also wrong when a married couple participates in such a behavior?

The reason I'm asking is because I see so much emphasis placed on homosexual behavior, and I have known more than a few women whose husbands ask this of them. I am wondering what the Christian answer is. I personally feel that if it is wrong between a man and a man, and if it is wrong between a man and a woman, we can't place all the emphasis on one group committing the sin and completely sweep the other group behind a closed door that no one talks about.

Im pretty sure the stuff between in a husband and wife falls under the whole let the marriage bed not be dishonored thing...you know mutually consented things between a husband and wife? its cool do whatever.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I apologize for coming on strong seoulsearch. I see that you're just asking a question and looking for answers to a sin problem that should not be occurring. I wrote down your question and will have to answer it later because there's a couple of things I want to research first relating to the scriptural teaching that a man should treat his wife like Christ treats his church (it's unfathomable a man would perpetuate immoral acts on his wife in that comparison) and also the relationship between Christ's two greatest laws of love and how Imago Dei fits into that. Peace.

I've seen many of your posts, Age, and I know you're proud of your education and body of knowledge. Kudos to you.

As long as God can tell the difference between an Apologist and a Pharisee, that's what counts.

I know you are a very intellectual person, so I was just wondering what your opinions would be to the questions I originally posted here, seeing as none of the other Apologists bothered to answer.

I'm genuinely interested in the answer, seeing as I once had a female friend whose good, straight Christian husband had a penchant for sexual activity involving the something other than the female receptor God designed for sex. His wife persistently said no.

And so, he simply waited until she was asleep and started raping her that way.

In the scale of men who do this to men... where does the issue of men who commit this upon women fit within the legalisms of sin, punishment, and condemnation?

I would truly like to have a Christian answer to give to the women who talk to me and have gone through this, as well as to the men who consider themselves heterosexual and see nothing wrong with it.

 

[seoulsearch]

I appreciate your time, Age. I've read some of your posts in which you bring up scientific and biological points that were quite fascinating. Some of us may not have the same level of knowledge or background as yourself, but God tells us if we lack wisdom, to ask... and one way to do that is to ask a body of people with more knowledge than I have.

I will be respectfully waiting for your answer.

 

[richie_2uk]

All the pope is a face for the Catholic Church, its like the government, Obama is the face of the government, rip off Britain Cameron is the snidy face for our government. they all just a face. its what lurks behind there faces we should be concerned about.