What are your thoughts on oral sex after marriage?

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Maddog

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Re: Throat cancer

Some of you have arched their eyebrows in scepticism at the claim that oral sex causes cancer. First of all, good. We should always be sceptical of the various health claims that abound and not be drawn in by scaremongering.

Having said that, we ought not throw the baby out with the bathwater. At first glance, there does seem to be some merit to the claim. Now, it's not 'oral sex' itself, but rather HPV which is transmitted to the throat via oral sex, but even so I don't think it's entirely disingenuous to say that it was caused by oral sex.

The specifics of the reports I've seen is that it is a greater cause of throat cancer in the under 50s than tobacco use. I fear that with recent anti-smoking hysteria, many people have the impression that smoking causes cancer in practically everyone, and that smokers are all dying at 35. However, given the fact that most smokers DO NOT die of cancer, and if they do they're in relatively old age, then it's easy to see that the claims regarding oral sex and cancer are not as histrionic as they may have initially seemed.

The rate of throat cancer from HPV transmitted via oral sex could easily be more than those caused by tobacco since those caused by tobacco, in absolute terms, are not that high anyway. So I think, as with tobacco use, it's probably a real risk we ought to be aware of, though not one to get one's knickers in a twist about.

By way of some disclaimer, I have not personally seen the studies behind these oral sex cancer claims, so take my above thoughts for what they're worth.
 

Elizabeth619

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And if you and your spouse were virgins when you married then the chances of aving HPV are HIGHLY unlikely.
 
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Maddog

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And if you and your spouse were virgins when you married then the chances of aving HPV are HIGHLY unlikely.
Quite. Broad statistical claims cannot speak directly to individual circumstances.
 

jamie26301

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I belive it is wrong to have oral sex one night, and then give your child a kiss the next morning, with the same lips. Its disgusting, what a horrible thought.
That's what toothbrush and toothpaste is for!
 

Elizabeth619

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Quite. Broad statistical claims cannot speak directly to individual circumstances.

I have read(and not saying I believe it) that after a while HPV will leave a person system. Like 15 years or so....I dont know if that is true...but that was an interesting read.
 
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Also if you have HPV and neither partner have taken any of the vaccines, then normal sexual intercourse can be just as dangerous if not more so...
(didn't want to come back but felt this should be said)
 

Elizabeth619

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Also if you have HPV and neither partner have taken any of the vaccines, then normal sexual intercourse can be just as dangerous if not more so...
(didn't want to come back but felt this should be said)

I missed you! ;)
 
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Just wondering if you think it's a sin not, and really anything else you think about the topic.
Why do people think sex is a sin inside of marriage? It's sin OUTSIDE of marriage NOT in it.

Don't these people have pastors or parents? Read the Bible...maybe even the Songs of solomon. Provers chapter 5...
 

Elizabeth619

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Why do people think sex is a sin inside of marriage? It's sin OUTSIDE of marriage NOT in it.

Don't these people have pastors or parents? Read the Bible...maybe even the Songs of solomon. Provers chapter 5...

I think dot is struggling with some type of sexual addiction. I have read several threads of his. PArt of me wants to be repulsed and the other part wants to help.
 
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princessbella

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I think dot is struggling with some type of sexual addiction. I have read several threads of his. PArt of me wants to be repulsed and the other part wants to help.
you might be right elizabeth however like any addiction it needs help rather than being repulsed...
im sure theres plenty of celebrate recovery programes in the states and websites such as xxxchurch.com , setting catptivesfree,com and other guys on here who have the same struggles, or it could be hes be just brought up to think legalistically about sex that certain things are a sin, and any thoughts he has otherwise are a sin and are this to be ashamed of and hes struggling with that .


there are also many christians who are brought up to beleive it is a sin, dirty and bad for you spritually, ive actually seen stuff like that written in books that it can cause demon infestation and so causes much fear and anxiety which shoudnt be there and creates an unhealthy view about sex. So it could be that too
 

Kathleen

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Song of Solomon 2:3
As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.
Song of Solomon 4:16
Come ... blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.
1 Corinthians 7:3
Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
All your doing (and the rest of you too for that matter) is quoting scriptures which you yourselves have twistedto suit your own lack of understanding. I can see that you all have no idea what these verses these verses truly mean. You only 'think' they mean something. Some of you even believe the song of songs is "holy porn." Where is the discernment amongst you all?

Well I'll explain the true spiritual meaning of thses passages so that you can no longer use them to support your depravity and put other Christians into err who may be reading this thread...

Two important scriptures to keep in mind before i begin:

2 Peter 1:20-21
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For phophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were caried along by the Holy Spirit.

2 Timothy 2:16-17
All Scripture is God-Breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteouness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

The song of songs is a book written by King Solomon (a typee of Christ). The book tells us of God's love for his people through imagery and symbolism. This is done through Solomon (spiritually speaking - Christ) admiring the Shulamite (Christ's Church) and in turn the Shulamite (Christ's Church) praising Solomon (Spiritually speaking - Chirst)

This verse is the Shulamite admiring Solomon (The Church admiring Christ):


Song of Solomon 2:3
As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste
The apple tree is Christ - the man Jesus being compared with ordinary trees, ordinary people. Think about how Christ was the only man to bear fruit to God (in him I am well pleased - Matt 3:17) Think of how Jesus is depicted in and throughout the bible as a tree (Psalm 1:3, Isaiah 11:1, John 15:1)

The shadow talks of the rest and refuge the believer finds in Christ.

Regarding the fruit, this talks of the refreshment there is in knowing Christ in such a sinful world.

As you can see there is absoloutely nothing here to do with oral sex, it is alien to this verse and to the bible too. Let's move on...


Song of Solomon 4:16
Come ... blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits
Wow, you certainly did twist this verse, here is the whole verse:

Song of Songs 4:16
Awake, north wind
and come, south wind!
Blow on my garden,
that its fragrance may spread abroad.
Let my lover come into his garden
and taste its choice fruits.

First of all what is the spiritual meaning of fragrance? It's our offering to God, that which we do which is pleasing to him. (Phil 4:18, Ex 29:18)

The North wind brings cold and rain (Prov 25:23) and the South wind brought a quiet and gentle warmth (Job 37:17 & Luke 12:55). Now when you consider these hard times and easy times of the lives of the saints, doesn't that produce a fragrance of God? Let's think about it, you thank God when things are going well (south wind) and you seek God in hard times (north wind) which produces praise when he answers.

The winds talked about are the Holy Spirit. When the wind blows (the spirit is at work within us) we produce a fragrance which is pleasing to the Lord.

Let my lover (Christ) come into his garden (the assembly) (Think of Matt 18:20)

...And taste its choice fruits...well believers bear fruit (Col 1:10, John 15:2, Matt 3:8 etc)

Again,even the thought of oral sex is ALIEN to this verse.



1 Corinthians 7:3
Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husban

From other christian sites:
Question: "What is a Christian couple allowed to do in sex?"

Answer: The Bible says that “Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral" (Hebrews 13:4). Scripture never says what a husband and wife are or are not allowed to do sexually. Husbands and wives are instructed, “Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time (1 Corinthians 7:5a). This verse perhaps lays down the principle for sexual relations in marriage. Whatever is done, it should be mutually agreed upon. No one should be encouraged or coerced to do something he or she is uncomfortable with or thinks is wrong. If a husband and wife both agree that they want to try something (e.g., oral sex, different positions, sex toys, etc.), then the Bible does not give any reason why they cannot.

There are a few things, though, that are never allowable sexually for a married couple. The practice of “swapping,” or "swinging/swingers," or “bringing in an extra” (threesomes, foursomes, etc.) is blatant adultery (Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3). Adultery is sin even if your spouse allows, approves, or even participates in it. Pornography appeals to the “lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes” (1 John 2:16) and is therefore condemned by God as well. A husband and wife should never bring pornography into their sexual union. Other than these two items, there is nothing that Scripture explicitly forbids a husband and wife to do with each other as long as it is by mutual consent.
The bible may not say explicitly that oral sex is wrong, but it does talk about sexual immorality on many, many occasions. Now God has indeed allowed a married couple to have sex, that's fine.But there's a line which ought not to be passed and oral sex goes past the line. Here is an example to help you understand. Wine is ok to drink, but if you get drunk then your sinning. Similarly sex is fine, but oral sex crosses the line. Doesnt nature itself tell you it's wrong? I mean, your putting something full of germs, something you pee from, into another persons mouth. And you can't see the wrong in that? Have you no discernment?
 
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Maddog

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Kathleen, I've seen a couple of people attempt to discredit you on account of your age. But let me say I think your above post is a good example of why those people were premature in their judgement.

Not trying to patronise you, but I think you did well to draw attention to the allegorical meaning of Song of Solomon, which I fear is often overlooked in favour of too simplistic sexual imagery.
 

Elizabeth619

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All your doing (and the rest of you too for that matter) is quoting scriptures which you yourselves have twistedto suit your own lack of understanding. I can see that you all have no idea what these verses these verses truly mean. You only 'think' they mean something. Some of you even believe the song of songs is "holy porn." Where is the discernment amongst you all?

Well I'll explain the true spiritual meaning of thses passages so that you can no longer use them to support your depravity and put other Christians into err who may be reading this thread...

Two important scriptures to keep in mind before i begin:

2 Peter 1:20-21
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For phophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were caried along by the Holy Spirit.

2 Timothy 2:16-17
All Scripture is God-Breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteouness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

The song of songs is a book written by King Solomon (a typee of Christ). The book tells us of God's love for his people through imagery and symbolism. This is done through Solomon (spiritually speaking - Christ) admiring the Shulamite (Christ's Church) and in turn the Shulamite (Christ's Church) praising Solomon (Spiritually speaking - Chirst)

This verse is the Shulamite admiring Solomon (The Church admiring Christ):




The apple tree is Christ - the man Jesus being compared with ordinary trees, ordinary people. Think about how Christ was the only man to bear fruit to God (in him I am well pleased - Matt 3:17) Think of how Jesus is depicted in and throughout the bible as a tree (Psalm 1:3, Isaiah 11:1, John 15:1)

The shadow talks of the rest and refuge the believer finds in Christ.

Regarding the fruit, this talks of the refreshment there is in knowing Christ in such a sinful world.

As you can see there is absoloutely nothing here to do with oral sex, it is alien to this verse and to the bible too. Let's move on...




Wow, you certainly did twist this verse, here is the whole verse:

Song of Songs 4:16
Awake, north wind
and come, south wind!
Blow on my garden,
that its fragrance may spread abroad.
Let my lover come into his garden
and taste its choice fruits.

First of all what is the spiritual meaning of fragrance? It's our offering to God, that which we do which is pleasing to him. (Phil 4:18, Ex 29:18)

The North wind brings cold and rain (Prov 25:23) and the South wind brought a quiet and gentle warmth (Job 37:17 & Luke 12:55). Now when you consider these hard times and easy times of the lives of the saints, doesn't that produce a fragrance of God? Let's think about it, you thank God when things are going well (south wind) and you seek God in hard times (north wind) which produces praise when he answers.

The winds talked about are the Holy Spirit. When the wind blows (the spirit is at work within us) we produce a fragrance which is pleasing to the Lord.

Let my lover (Christ) come into his garden (the assembly) (Think of Matt 18:20)

...And taste its choice fruits...well believers bear fruit (Col 1:10, John 15:2, Matt 3:8 etc)

Again,even the thought of oral sex is ALIEN to this verse.





The bible may not say explicitly that oral sex is wrong, but it does talk about sexual immorality on many, many occasions. Now God has indeed allowed a married couple to have sex, that's fine.But there's a line which ought not to be passed and oral sex goes past the line. Here is an example to help you understand. Wine is ok to drink, but if you get drunk then your sinning. Similarly sex is fine, but oral sex crosses the line. Doesnt nature itself tell you it's wrong? I mean, your putting something full of germs, something you pee from, into another persons mouth. And you can't see the wrong in that? Have you no discernment?

I am just going to make a Song of Soloman thread explaining the real symbolism and them meaning of the book. While your explanation is a nice one I cannot agree with it.
 
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karine___

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my opinion....

i have a question , can u associate oral sex with a bit of purity whatsoever? as Christians we are free but does that freedom mean we are allowed to indulge in our flesh?as born again we are in a process ,still dying to the sinful nature and i cant get it that as we are seeking sanctification ,purity ,in this world with so many temptations, we would choose to do something like that. it doesn't make sense to me ... to me , if oral sex is ok , why wouldn't sadomasochism be too? etc... personally i find those unnatural forms of sex a kind of idolatry ,of the flesh.

that was my opinion and conviction and whats in my heart abt it ... anyway, discerning how far u should go, what u should and what u should not do is the Holy Spirit's work , He will guide u.
 

Elizabeth619

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my opinion....

i have a question , can u associate oral sex with a bit of purity whatsoever? as Christians we are free but does that freedom mean we are allowed to indulge in our flesh?as born again we are in a process ,still dying to the sinful nature and i cant get it that as we are seeking sanctification ,purity ,in this world with so many temptations, we would choose to do something like that. it doesn't make sense to me ... to me , if oral sex is ok , why wouldn't sadomasochism be too? etc... personally i find those unnatural forms of sex a kind of idolatry ,of the flesh.

that was my opinion and conviction and whats in my heart abt it ... anyway, discerning how far u should go, what u should and what u should not do is the Holy Spirit's work , He will guide u.

Alot of it has to do with respect of the spouse and what they are willing to do. Also, when it comes to intimacy it is between TWO people and no one should judge what they decide. If you don't like certain sexual acts then don't take part in them and NEVER agree to do something with your spouse because it is something THEY want to do. ONLY do it if it is a mutual thing.

And no, I am not married....but I am a victim of sexual abuse. The topic of sex is very serious and even emotional to me. I have experienced sex, but I have NEVER experienced the love, and unity that should come with it, and that is sad. Very sad.
 
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sigh...oh well i guess me and my future wife will just be terribly terribly impure people with cancer. And as a result we will invest heavily in mouthwash and toothpaste...
 
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princessbella

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Alot of it has to do with respect of the spouse and what they are willing to do. Also, when it comes to intimacy it is between TWO people and no one should judge what they decide. If you don't like certain sexual acts then don't take part in them and NEVER agree to do something with your spouse because it is something THEY want to do. ONLY do it if it is a mutual thing.

And no, I am not married....but I am a victim of sexual abuse. The topic of sex is very serious and even emotional to me. I have experienced sex, but I have NEVER experienced the love, and unity that should come with it, and that is sad. Very sad.


elizabeth sending a massive hug your way, i hope one day you experience that, and im sure you will .
like you i feel exactly the same .. God is a god who heals and restores though never forget that..
Not sure youv ever read a book called beuty for ashes by joyce meyer but its worth reading,
 

Elizabeth619

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elizabeth sending a massive hug your way, i hope one day you experience that, and im sure you will .
like you i feel exactly the same .. God is a god who heals and restores though never forget that..
Not sure youv ever read a book called beuty for ashes by joyce meyer but its worth reading,

I need some good reading material. It might keep me out of trouble on CC ;)

Thanks.
 

zeroturbulence

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sigh...oh well i guess me and my future wife will just be terribly terribly impure people with cancer. And as a result we will invest heavily in mouthwash and toothpaste...
Just have her get the HPV vaccine and you're golden.