Wasn't quite sure where to go with this but..is being transgender really a sin?

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Okay... but I still haven't really gotten a clear explanation for your answers. And don't get me wrong- thank you all for replying at all but none of this has really helped much in all honesty because there's no real structure to your arguments. You pull out bible verses to try and support yourselves but the bible Isn't a sweet shop where you can just pick and choose certain verses to try and prove your point. They all have their own meaning and in some cases if you care to read the whole chapters that these verses are in they don't really go along with what you say at all. While I admit it is easy to do, and I can do this too but I'm not really interested in people's bias opinions I'm just trying to figure out the truth.

Sorry it's taken so long to reply but I wanted to address each of your posts individually if I can.

I've been doing a lot of prayer and studying of the bible and research of my own and this is what I've come up with.

Also don't take anything specifically personal, while I am addressing each of your posts, I am also addressing everyone else as well so I do encourage if you are going to respond to this post please read the whole thing and I don't mean to offend anyone either.

So Cinder's post. I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my thread and try your best to help and thank you for not freaking out as so many Christians tend to do. I get what you're saying in a way. And you're right the bible doesn't speak directly about transgender as this was not something that really came up back then. But if God knows all things wouldn't he know this would happen and wouldn't he have some sort of explanation about it in the bible if it were something that important?

You mentioned Genesis 1:27: God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. I mean... is gender really the point of this verse? I can't speak for the meaning of the bible of course, and neither can you or anyone else really because it is God's word and who are we to say we know exactly what any of it means- but sometimes I feel people try to dig too deep and pick out things they think mean one thing that have nothing to do with anything. Perhaps this verse has nothing to do with specific genders at all. It may just merely be saying we are "made in His image or likeness" meaning that we were simply made to resemble God. That we are all equally and wonderfully made regardless of our gender.

So there's the Psalm 139 that says God Knits us together in the womb and that we are fearfully and wonderfully made. Yea. Okay that's great. I am unique. I am my own person and wonderfully made. I know that. I don't feel like I am weird or hopelessly messed up because I mean.. This is just how I am. I feel like it's really less about "being born in the wrong body" as it is that I don't identify with the gender stereotypes of today.

As for finding "a more descriptive and less labeling way to think and talk" about this I mean.. I've always felt that I identified more with guys. I've always had more guy friends and that was by my own choice. I know having guy friends didn't influence the way I felt. I had more guy friends because that's who I was more comfortable around and I could empathize with guys more. I still feel that way. And I don't want to be a girl. To be honest, it sucks. It's just such a pain having been born a girl I could go on and on but anyhoo that's not what I am anyways. I mean.. I could be a pretty great girl if I wanted to be but I just feel like that's not what I am at all. I feel like I have to be stuck in all these gender stereotypes and yes, it would be so much easier if I had been biologically born a guy. But no matter, I am a male. I don't think I am, I know I am.

After reading that last paragraph, I'm sure you've realized that I was biologically born a girl. But the reason why you all think I was biologically born a boy is because that's the gender I chose for my profile. And for every site that requires it, I always choose that gender because male is what I identify as. Which is also why I was kind of upset but then such a huge smile went across my face after read pwrnJC's post. You know what? I try, and I would love to make Jesus Christ my complete focus. In fact I admire anyone who does because it can so often be a difficult thing to do as our lives and stresses and problems interfere. Yes, I know God has a plan and a place for me. And in the most respectful way, I see that you are so obviously bias against transgender people without any reasoning at all. Though I do appreciate your prayers and I too pray that "one year from now, if we chat, that I will be all MAN that HE wants for me." And who knows? Maybe I will "have a goatee and you'll see me teaching a Sunday school class or preaching behind a pulpit or on a mission field or serving in a soup kitchen, preaching JESUS"

I do believe that you misunderstand me, sir. I have no intention of making myself identifying as male take over my life. In fact, I help out with the children and youth at my church now. I have been on many missions trips to Mexico, and various states around the U.S., I am a part of a Christian dance company and we take bible stories and dance them out to music in places all around Florida all to glorify God and tell people about His name. Although I have put that I am "unsure" about my Christianity in my "About Me", I want to be. And I strive to understand the things of God and the Bible and I look for answers on things based on prayer and His word rather than just going by the advice of people themselves. Which is why I posted here in the first place. I've been doing my own research on this but I wanted to see what other people thought, as well as to see what they have found about what the Bible says about this in case they found something I missed.

So may I repeat, my focus is NOT entirely upon myself, my feelings, my emotions, my physical body, and what not. In fact it is quite opposite. Like I said, this is why I posted in the first place because like Cinder said, I do have a desire to please God. And I honestly believe I can do that no matter what gender I identify with. I'm not choosing to be transgender of following God. Like Ugly said, being transgender is not a choice.

Oh, and who are you to tell someone that just because they are wearing high heels, girdles, makeup, push up bras, and shaving is not part of God's plan and that it will not usher in His kingdom on earth? Sorry, but do you know God's plan for each and every one of us? I think not.

Also: Zoii, thank you for your kind words.

So for Elijah19's post: You say God created us exactly as we are right now. He doesn't make mistakes. You say that" to question God's design for your body is to question His design for your earthly life." I guess I can understand that sort of..but... how do you know that. There really... isn't anything in the bible against transgender. Like I've said, if God knew it would come up and He was against it, wouldn't you think He would have something about it in the Bible? Anyways, saying to question His design.. It sounds kind of what my mom would say that being transgender is "destroying God's temple" as in 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 it says "Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies." So... I guess changing my outward appearance to feel better about myself so I can be closer to the gender I identify with is destroying my body? Going against His design huh... wouldn't that mean that tattoos, piercings, and dying your hair would be a sin too? In fact, Leviticus 19:28 says that getting tattoos is a sin, yet there are so many Christians who get tattoos and lots of people also get piercings and dye their hair all the time. If it was God's design for someone to have blonde hair are you going to condemn them for dying their hair brown? Are you going to tell all those Christians who get tattoos and piercings and dye their hair that they are destroying God's temple? Probably not.

Bassey: so. You say "living as a transgender is sin, God created males to be males and females to be females, anything outside of this is not of God." I mean how do you know that? Where in the Bible does it say that? You say it's "often referred to as perverse" by whom? You? People? Has God ever said that? Does the Bible say that?

Okay now this Deuteronomy 22:5 verse has really been the thing that has confused me the most. And it is the verse that is thrown in my face most of the time to tell me that being myself is a sin. But I've been doing so much research on this and here is what I've found:

The phrase "which pertaineth unto a man" doesn't exactly refer to clothing like people try to insist upon. It really seems to mean accouterments or accessories of men. (Which I suppose could include apparel.) Someone examined the Hebrew word that is used which is translated into the general term "Man". The word is 'geber', which means a man who has strength or might. In Hebrew. The word that modifies geber is 'kel-ee', which refers to implements, utensils, vessels, and apparatuses that aren't specifically named in the verse. But because geber refers to a man who is strong or mighty, many commentators believe that the implements being spoken of are implements of war, such as armor and weapons. And this would actually make sense because back then the women of gentile nations would dress up as men of war as a way of worshiping their gods.

The phrase "neither shall a man put on a woman's garment", is related in the same way almost. It was a common thing among the pagan nations of Palestine for male priests to dress in female clothing, wear make-up, jewels, scarves, and veils in various temples as a part of religious activities and worship of their gods as well.

So obviously God would hate it and make a law against it. Today people use this verse as a way to go against transgendered people or some go as far as to say that women shouldn't wear pants because it is an "abomination" unto the Lord. But... I honestly can say I don't think that's really what this verse was talking about. Because it also has a lot of other laws in this chapter that only applied in that time. I mean... we wear clothing with different fabrics, and we plant different things next to each other, and we don't sew tassels onto the corners of our clothes anymore right? But anyways, like I said. I don't even think this is what the verse was talking about. It's just like the other laws. I mean... to the best of my knowledge people don't dress up as the opposite gender to worship their gods. And even if they do, that's not what I'm doing at all. That has nothing to do with being transgender.

Now finally, Ugly's post. You've really been the most understandable, as most of the things you're saying I've thought through myself. Things that most people don't even think about. I agree with you that it isn't right to condemn a person who is transgender, or label it as a sin. And you're right it's not right to justify it as what God intended either. There's no scripture on the issue so... that leads really back to my original question actually. But you know... you actually have helped the most. And... while I just wanted to hear from other people's opinion, I have been praying about this a lot. And I know I'll figure this out eventually. It's just so difficult to know what's right or wrong in this situation.

But thank you all for trying to help. As for is it a sin or not... I still don't know for sure. But hopefully this summer will lead to some answers.

To anyone who bothered to even read this whole thing, I'd still like to know what you think. And I'm so sorry this post is so long o_O I didn't mean for this but once I got typing... I just had to keep going haha sorry bout that. Anyhoo... Hope you all are having a lovely day.
 

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So Cinder's post. I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my thread and try your best to help and thank you for not freaking out as so many Christians tend to do. I get what you're saying in a way. And you're right the bible doesn't speak directly about transgender as this was not something that really came up back then. But if God knows all things wouldn't he know this would happen and wouldn't he have some sort of explanation about it in the bible if it were something that important?

You mentioned Genesis 1:27: God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. I mean... is gender really the point of this verse? I can't speak for the meaning of the bible of course, and neither can you or anyone else really because it is God's word and who are we to say we know exactly what any of it means- but sometimes I feel people try to dig too deep and pick out things they think mean one thing that have nothing to do with anything. Perhaps this verse has nothing to do with specific genders at all. It may just merely be saying we are "made in His image or likeness" meaning that we were simply made to resemble God. That we are all equally and wonderfully made regardless of our gender.

So there's the Psalm 139 that says God Knits us together in the womb and that we are fearfully and wonderfully made. Yea. Okay that's great. I am unique. I am my own person and wonderfully made. I know that. I don't feel like I am weird or hopelessly messed up because I mean.. This is just how I am. I feel like it's really less about "being born in the wrong body" as it is that I don't identify with the gender stereotypes of today.

As for finding "a more descriptive and less labeling way to think and talk" about this I mean.. I've always felt that I identified more with guys. I've always had more guy friends and that was by my own choice. I know having guy friends didn't influence the way I felt. I had more guy friends because that's who I was more comfortable around and I could empathize with guys more. I still feel that way. And I don't want to be a girl. To be honest, it sucks. It's just such a pain having been born a girl I could go on and on but anyhoo that's not what I am anyways. I mean.. I could be a pretty great girl if I wanted to be but I just feel like that's not what I am at all. I feel like I have to be stuck in all these gender stereotypes and yes, it would be so much easier if I had been biologically born a guy. But no matter, I am a male. I don't think I am, I know I am.

After reading that last paragraph, I'm sure you've realized that I was biologically born a girl. But the reason why you all think I was biologically born a boy is because that's the gender I chose for my profile.
Yeah confusing feelings and feelings people think you "shouldn't have" aren't something under your control. As such no one should be condemned for those, but rather helped to understand how to handle them in a Godly way.

So if God is all knowing and knew the issue of transgendered feelings and preceptions would come up, why doesn't the Bible talk about it? Well I would suggest that the answer is because the Bible is there to tell us what is right, not all the ways that things can go wrong. So in the same way that people who are training to spot counterfeit money spend all their time studying the characteristics of real money, the Bible gives us the picture of God's way and everything that deviates from it is outside of God's perfect design (which has been corrupted by sin in the world so we need to be extra compassionate to those who have conditions that make them feel they might have been born as something displeasing to God or that God simply cannot love).

So if we're going to trust that the Bible shows us God's design, then the next question you have alluded to in your post is how do we know what it really means? There is definitely a place for good scholarship and interpretation, and there are also many people who misinterpret scripture (even some without meaning to). If you don't believe that it is possible to understand and interpret God's intention in scripture correctly, however, then you will no longer take the Bible as authoritative in a practical sense. Again this is a worldview choice: are you going to believe that an all powerful God has given a divine message to people and is more than capable of making his intent clear to those who want to know it? or are you going to believe that it is a book written by religious men and encumbered by their outdated cultural views? There are far too many in the world today who want to remake the God of the Bible in their own cultural image with no judgement or discriminatory standards. But that's not who God says he is.

So some practical bits on interpreting the Bible and culture and gender: In a Biblical view gender is linked to the image of God in us. What I said about Gen 1:27 before. The view that the gender bit is key is one that scholars (not just me) have come to after analyzing the literary structure of the Hebrew. In the Bible, gender was also defined by what physical parts you have and as far as I'm aware, there's nothing to indicate that God ever saw it any other way. As for the OT law, that was a big debate in the early church, when they really weren't sure whether you had to convert to Judaism to follow Jesus or not. Acts 15 records the apostles' decision, which was that only a few things from the law needed to be followed by Gentile Christians. Included in the laws they had to follow were the laws regarding sexual behavior.

As to gender stereotypes and identification, so much of what you said could describe me. I too have a female body. But I always got along better with guys. I remember the family that lived down the street and how I would go over to see if the guys (instead of their sister who was my age) could come out and play. I can pretty much trace my school years by who my close guy friend was in grade _ and my parents often commented that all my friends seemed to be guys. And even now I talk to and have more guys I consider friends here on CC than I do ladies. I'm very comfortable around my guy friends and they seem pretty comfortable around me. And somehow, all those stories other girls tell about how badly guys treat them, or only want one thing; despite the number of guys I hang around, that kind of thing has not happened to me. My dad tells me that I think like a guy and on chats where they don't post your gender, people have often mistaken me for a guy. But I've never considered that any of that would somehow make me male and not female. God made me a woman, a rather unique and unusual one, but still a woman and I accept that.

So with similar backgrounds, I wonder what the difference between the two of us is. Is it a philosophical difference, I believe my gender is defined by the genetics and parts God gave me, but you believe it is defined by what you think and how you feel and view yourself? Is it a difference in social influence, you have grown up in a time where to question and redefine such things is encouraged by society? A time when gender roles and identity have been all but stripped and feminism encourages women to be more masculine while men are encouraged to be gentler and not assert themselves so much? Is it a question of self identity, you have defined your uniqueness as gender traits while I discovered personality typing and found that the label INTJ fit me well and gave me something to identify with? Is there something psychological, biochemical, hormonal, etc. going on in you that makes you transgendered and it isn't something that can be changed?

I'm not saying any of this to minimize your struggle, and I'm not saying that anything in the previous paragraph was a conscious choice either of us made about our identity and gender. Again everything I say is as someone who hasn't struggled with gender identity issues so I won't claim to know what you are going through. I don't have the answers. But as people who believe in and want to please God, it is worth checking ourselves and our thinking to see where our ideas, feelings, and attitudes reflect the thinking of our culture more than the Bible. You will end up believing someone's story about your struggle and your feelings, and the story you end up believing (aka worldview) will determine a lot of how you go through life and handle this and future struggles.
 
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God already made us perfect the way we are. I don't have anything against transgenders because their choices were not mine to take and well, who am I to judge? I'm not God. But I'm sure it doesn't matter now because God is forgiving and I believe he can forgive anything.
But fear not, God is understanding in every way and I'm sure he'll accept you as you are now. It would be a sin if your parents don't forgive you though.
 
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I didn't think you needed anyone's forgiveness in the first place. You've done nothing that needs forgiveness. :)
 

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He Sparklysandwichanchor (artsy name haha),

First, great that you're searching God. That's the first step :)
I think you should tell your parents or another adult who's christian. I'm sure there are some great people near you, who want to help you! I don't think being transgender is a sin, but it isn't from God.
I think the thing is cultural. People in Middle Ages weren't transgender. This is because they didn't even know that you could be a transgender. I don't say that it is all in your mind; I really believe that it exists. It's just that this society is 'promoting' being homo or transgender. That means that society is fault.
I'll be praying for you.

God bless,
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You are who you are. Imagining that drifting from some type of norm is sinful is just not right. Don't worry about being told your against god its all nonsense. I hope your doing well.
 
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You are who you are. Imagining that drifting from some type of norm is sinful is just not right. Don't worry about being told your against god its all nonsense. I hope your doing well.
So your saying that transgender is not wrong in front of God?

There are only two kinds of genders, male and female. God made us in his own image without a mistake; there is no such thing as "wrong body". When we are born we have a designated sex, God never makes a mistake about that, or about anything.

Gen 1:27 "So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

Psa 139:13-16 "For You have formed my inward parts; You have covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them."

There you can see that only two genders were made by God, and that He formed us. (No mistakes)

Homosexuality existed from ancient times. Here's the scriptures for that -

Gen 19:1 "Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. Gen 19:2 And he said, "Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant's house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way." And they said, "No, but we will spend the night in the open square." Gen 19:3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. Gen 19:4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. Gen 19:5 And they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally."

Deu 22:5 "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God."

The Bible also clearly states that sexual activity outside of marriage or sexual activity which is not between a man and a woman (I.e between a man and a man or between a woman and a woman) is a sin.
 
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Okay... but I still haven't really gotten a clear explanation for your answers. And don't get me wrong- thank you all for replying at all but none of this has really helped much in all honesty because there's no real structure to your arguments. You pull out bible verses to try and support yourselves but the bible Isn't a sweet shop where you can just pick and choose certain verses to try and prove your point. They all have their own meaning and in some cases if you care to read the whole chapters that these verses are in they don't really go along with what you say at all. While I admit it is easy to do, and I can do this too but I'm not really interested in people's bias opinions I'm just trying to figure out the truth.

Sorry it's taken so long to reply but I wanted to address each of your posts individually if I can.

I've been doing a lot of prayer and studying of the bible and research of my own and this is what I've come up with.

Also don't take anything specifically personal, while I am addressing each of your posts, I am also addressing everyone else as well so I do encourage if you are going to respond to this post please read the whole thing and I don't mean to offend anyone either.

So Cinder's post. I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my thread and try your best to help and thank you for not freaking out as so many Christians tend to do. I get what you're saying in a way. And you're right the bible doesn't speak directly about transgender as this was not something that really came up back then. But if God knows all things wouldn't he know this would happen and wouldn't he have some sort of explanation about it in the bible if it were something that important?

You mentioned Genesis 1:27: God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. I mean... is gender really the point of this verse? I can't speak for the meaning of the bible of course, and neither can you or anyone else really because it is God's word and who are we to say we know exactly what any of it means- but sometimes I feel people try to dig too deep and pick out things they think mean one thing that have nothing to do with anything. Perhaps this verse has nothing to do with specific genders at all. It may just merely be saying we are "made in His image or likeness" meaning that we were simply made to resemble God. That we are all equally and wonderfully made regardless of our gender.

So there's the Psalm 139 that says God Knits us together in the womb and that we are fearfully and wonderfully made. Yea. Okay that's great. I am unique. I am my own person and wonderfully made. I know that. I don't feel like I am weird or hopelessly messed up because I mean.. This is just how I am. I feel like it's really less about "being born in the wrong body" as it is that I don't identify with the gender stereotypes of today.

As for finding "a more descriptive and less labeling way to think and talk" about this I mean.. I've always felt that I identified more with guys. I've always had more guy friends and that was by my own choice. I know having guy friends didn't influence the way I felt. I had more guy friends because that's who I was more comfortable around and I could empathize with guys more. I still feel that way. And I don't want to be a girl. To be honest, it sucks. It's just such a pain having been born a girl I could go on and on but anyhoo that's not what I am anyways. I mean.. I could be a pretty great girl if I wanted to be but I just feel like that's not what I am at all. I feel like I have to be stuck in all these gender stereotypes and yes, it would be so much easier if I had been biologically born a guy. But no matter, I am a male. I don't think I am, I know I am.

After reading that last paragraph, I'm sure you've realized that I was biologically born a girl. But the reason why you all think I was biologically born a boy is because that's the gender I chose for my profile. And for every site that requires it, I always choose that gender because male is what I identify as. Which is also why I was kind of upset but then such a huge smile went across my face after read pwrnJC's post. You know what? I try, and I would love to make Jesus Christ my complete focus. In fact I admire anyone who does because it can so often be a difficult thing to do as our lives and stresses and problems interfere. Yes, I know God has a plan and a place for me. And in the most respectful way, I see that you are so obviously bias against transgender people without any reasoning at all. Though I do appreciate your prayers and I too pray that "one year from now, if we chat, that I will be all MAN that HE wants for me." And who knows? Maybe I will "have a goatee and you'll see me teaching a Sunday school class or preaching behind a pulpit or on a mission field or serving in a soup kitchen, preaching JESUS"

I do believe that you misunderstand me, sir. I have no intention of making myself identifying as male take over my life. In fact, I help out with the children and youth at my church now. I have been on many missions trips to Mexico, and various states around the U.S., I am a part of a Christian dance company and we take bible stories and dance them out to music in places all around Florida all to glorify God and tell people about His name. Although I have put that I am "unsure" about my Christianity in my "About Me", I want to be. And I strive to understand the things of God and the Bible and I look for answers on things based on prayer and His word rather than just going by the advice of people themselves. Which is why I posted here in the first place. I've been doing my own research on this but I wanted to see what other people thought, as well as to see what they have found about what the Bible says about this in case they found something I missed.

So may I repeat, my focus is NOT entirely upon myself, my feelings, my emotions, my physical body, and what not. In fact it is quite opposite. Like I said, this is why I posted in the first place because like Cinder said, I do have a desire to please God. And I honestly believe I can do that no matter what gender I identify with. I'm not choosing to be transgender of following God. Like Ugly said, being transgender is not a choice.

Oh, and who are you to tell someone that just because they are wearing high heels, girdles, makeup, push up bras, and shaving is not part of God's plan and that it will not usher in His kingdom on earth? Sorry, but do you know God's plan for each and every one of us? I think not.

Also: Zoii, thank you for your kind words.

So for Elijah19's post: You say God created us exactly as we are right now. He doesn't make mistakes. You say that" to question God's design for your body is to question His design for your earthly life." I guess I can understand that sort of..but... how do you know that. There really... isn't anything in the bible against transgender. Like I've said, if God knew it would come up and He was against it, wouldn't you think He would have something about it in the Bible? Anyways, saying to question His design.. It sounds kind of what my mom would say that being transgender is "destroying God's temple" as in 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 it says "Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies." So... I guess changing my outward appearance to feel better about myself so I can be closer to the gender I identify with is destroying my body? Going against His design huh... wouldn't that mean that tattoos, piercings, and dying your hair would be a sin too? In fact, Leviticus 19:28 says that getting tattoos is a sin, yet there are so many Christians who get tattoos and lots of people also get piercings and dye their hair all the time. If it was God's design for someone to have blonde hair are you going to condemn them for dying their hair brown? Are you going to tell all those Christians who get tattoos and piercings and dye their hair that they are destroying God's temple? Probably not.

Bassey: so. You say "living as a transgender is sin, God created males to be males and females to be females, anything outside of this is not of God." I mean how do you know that? Where in the Bible does it say that? You say it's "often referred to as perverse" by whom? You? People? Has God ever said that? Does the Bible say that?

Okay now this Deuteronomy 22:5 verse has really been the thing that has confused me the most. And it is the verse that is thrown in my face most of the time to tell me that being myself is a sin. But I've been doing so much research on this and here is what I've found:

The phrase "which pertaineth unto a man" doesn't exactly refer to clothing like people try to insist upon. It really seems to mean accouterments or accessories of men. (Which I suppose could include apparel.) Someone examined the Hebrew word that is used which is translated into the general term "Man". The word is 'geber', which means a man who has strength or might. In Hebrew. The word that modifies geber is 'kel-ee', which refers to implements, utensils, vessels, and apparatuses that aren't specifically named in the verse. But because geber refers to a man who is strong or mighty, many commentators believe that the implements being spoken of are implements of war, such as armor and weapons. And this would actually make sense because back then the women of gentile nations would dress up as men of war as a way of worshiping their gods.

The phrase "neither shall a man put on a woman's garment", is related in the same way almost. It was a common thing among the pagan nations of Palestine for male priests to dress in female clothing, wear make-up, jewels, scarves, and veils in various temples as a part of religious activities and worship of their gods as well.

So obviously God would hate it and make a law against it. Today people use this verse as a way to go against transgendered people or some go as far as to say that women shouldn't wear pants because it is an "abomination" unto the Lord. But... I honestly can say I don't think that's really what this verse was talking about. Because it also has a lot of other laws in this chapter that only applied in that time. I mean... we wear clothing with different fabrics, and we plant different things next to each other, and we don't sew tassels onto the corners of our clothes anymore right? But anyways, like I said. I don't even think this is what the verse was talking about. It's just like the other laws. I mean... to the best of my knowledge people don't dress up as the opposite gender to worship their gods. And even if they do, that's not what I'm doing at all. That has nothing to do with being transgender.

Now finally, Ugly's post. You've really been the most understandable, as most of the things you're saying I've thought through myself. Things that most people don't even think about. I agree with you that it isn't right to condemn a person who is transgender, or label it as a sin. And you're right it's not right to justify it as what God intended either. There's no scripture on the issue so... that leads really back to my original question actually. But you know... you actually have helped the most. And... while I just wanted to hear from other people's opinion, I have been praying about this a lot. And I know I'll figure this out eventually. It's just so difficult to know what's right or wrong in this situation.

But thank you all for trying to help. As for is it a sin or not... I still don't know for sure. But hopefully this summer will lead to some answers.

To anyone who bothered to even read this whole thing, I'd still like to know what you think. And I'm so sorry this post is so long o_O I didn't mean for this but once I got typing... I just had to keep going haha sorry bout that. Anyhoo... Hope you all are having a lovely day.
I appreciate you replying back to everyone in detail. I can't say transgender is wrong or right, I haven't found that out yet. I don't know exactly what your going through so I'll just speak in general. I don't find anything wrong in a girl associating with guys more than girls. If you have a character of liking boys more as friends and eating like a guy, or playing sports like a guy etc I don't think that is wrong. But if a girl tries to be like a guy, or if a guy tries to be like a girl, I do think that is wrong. The verse in deutronomy states that woman can't wear the dress that a man would wear. I do believe that woman shouldn't wear the dress assigned to a man, but pants isn't a dress assigned to a man. So I don't see anything wrong in woman wearing pants. I have seen woman calling themselves transgender or tomboy and dress up with clothes that only men would use (like the traditional men's dress) and that is wrong. But you say you don't do that so that's good, I thought transgender was about trying to be like the opposite sex?

Tattoos are wrong. If I saw a christian with tattoos I would speak to them about it. But I can't say dyeing our hair or things like that are wrong. I don't see why it is wrong.

When I was in 10th grade I had a friend who is a girl, but was around boys all the time, played sports in a manly way by being rough and not caring about her makeup and sand and all the other things which normally girls care about. She never thought of herself as someone different or unusual, she just thought of herself as unique. All the things that she did was different from what normally girls would do, like the sports, but has God ever told that girls can't play sports like how a guy would? No. Just because its not the normal thing happening around, doesn't mean that it is wrong.

So if your being yourself and your doing things the way you like to do them, which might be like how a guy would do those things, I don't think its wrong.

But if your trying to be like a guy, wearing clothes that are meant ONLY for guys, having sexual activities or thoughts with/about other women etc I do think that is wrong.

Being born a girl I don't understand how you can say your a man. You aren't a man. I won't encouarage you to tell others that your gender is male in social sites either. Say the truth to others and be yourself. If the way in which you do things relates more to the way a man would do it, who says its wrong? There's no rule by God on those things. But there are certain things you have to follow being a woman, certain things you can't change if you want to stay pure.
 
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So your saying that transgender is not wrong in front of God?

There are only two kinds of genders, male and female. God made us in his own image without a mistake; there is no such thing as "wrong body". When we are born we have a designated sex, God never makes a mistake about that, or about anything.

Gen 1:27 "So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

Psa 139:13-16 "For You have formed my inward parts; You have covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them."

There you can see that only two genders were made by God, and that He formed us. (No mistakes)

Homosexuality existed from ancient times. Here's the scriptures for that -

Gen 19:1 "Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. Gen 19:2 And he said, "Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant's house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way." And they said, "No, but we will spend the night in the open square." Gen 19:3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. Gen 19:4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. Gen 19:5 And they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally."

Deu 22:5 "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God."

The Bible also clearly states that sexual activity outside of marriage or sexual activity which is not between a man and a woman (I.e between a man and a man or between a woman and a woman) is a sin.
Yes i,m saying this poor guy has probably had enough bullies to last a lifetime and i,m not going to add to the negative comments. You quote passages that I usually ignore. Deut is full of hateful passages against women for a start. Telling people how they can dress in today's time is silly. A man wore a tunic which today looks a lot like a dress so.... i ignore those passages. And we now know there are male, female and hermaphrodite with undefined gender. Sometimes things are not so black and white and I am not going to pick on this man as he deals with his issues. I just hope he,s doing ok.
 
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I don't think anyone here is bullying the OP. I would speak out about the truth and about what is right even if it would hurt the other person. Because its for their own good, I don't consider partiality, neither did I mean to talk negatively but I just wanted to speak out on what I think is right and wrong. I apologize if I spoke in the wrong way in my previous posts.

I like it that you encourage people to be themselves, like how you told the OP to be herself. Many teens today need someone to encourage them like that.

You say transgender is not wrong in front of God, can you explain to me why? I'm still researching on what the OP said, so I can't come to a conclusion. I don't even know if my meaning of transgender I.e trying to be like the opposite sex, is what the OP is going through.

Deut is not full of hateful passages. The passage I quoted tells us not to wear clothes that is meant for the opposite sex. Why is that hateful? Do you want to wear clothes that a man wears? If you want to follow God, you need to follow His commandments and His rules. You can't ignore certain passages because you don't like them. The Holy Bible is God's word. Nothing written in The Bible is silly, whether for the present day or ancient times. There are many things from the Old testament which we don't need to do because Jesus died on the cross for us. But the rules God gave us, we must follow, whether it's from OT or NT. Rules like which animals are clean and unclean. I follow that and I don't eat unclean animals.

You said a man wore a tunic which looks a lot like a dress, are you talking about someone from the Bible? Or about someone you saw? Even today we have clothes which cause confusion as to which gender it exactly belongs to, I would just avoid such clothes.

There is this show done by Steve Harvey, the name of the show is Ask Steve. Some guy anonymously send an email to Steve with a question, the anonymous guy wore panties each day as it is more comfortable for him while driving his truck. He wanted an answer from Steve on how to buy more of them and keep them without the anonymous guy's wife knowing about it. Now, this is definitely wrong as panties are for women ONLY. Here it's very clear. Why? Because panties are for women, everyone knows it. But when it comes to clothes which are not assigned to a certain gender, we have the confusion, I'm not sure if this is a way of the Devil to have many people wear the wrong clothes. So I would just stick to the ones I know are not wrong in anyway.

There are many genders today, but only two genders are made by God. Male and female. Rest all are not of God.

People who try to be exactly like the opposite sex end up having sex with the same gender as theirs, I.e gays and lesbians. Homosexuality is a choice, if it wasn't a choice and if it was something that people are born with then God wouldn't make a rule against homosexuality. Because if we are born with that kind of homosexual feeling, then we won't have a chance to go to Heaven and that wouldn't fair and unfairness is something God wouldn't do. I don't think the OP has this problem, but this is what I have heard of transgenders - trying to be exactly like the opposite sex.

Again Zoii, no one is picking on the OP. I hope the OP is doing good as well, and I hope your having a good day too.
 
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MadeInGodsImage no there are also undefined genders. Hermophrodites for example may have very undefined genitals and what about people who have XXY chromosomes. I read how you and others make out that transgender is some sort of deviant choice that is sinful. Well I disagree coz for many their issues are complex and it must be horrible what they face from communities including Christians who should be acknowledging that this is how god made them.
 
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I've heard different arguments about this and such and my parents (Who are very religious Christians) strongly believe that transgender is a sin and they think it's disgusting and wrong or whatever. But... I'm transgender. They don't know of course and I'm terrified to tell them and I.. I don't know what to do. Because I honestly don't think it's a sin to be transgender... But I was wondering what other Christians think? And if you have anything to back up your thoughts? I can't talk to my parents because of how they are towards trans people...

I mean.. it never really says that transgender is a sin in the bible.

Because I know that a lot of people like to use
Deutoronomy 22:5 to say that it's a sin
(Women are not to wear men's clothing, and men are not to wear women's clothing; the Lord your God hates people who do such things.)
But then this chapter later goes on to say in v. 8
(When you build a new house, be sure to put a railing around the edge of the roof. Then you will not be responsible if someone falls off and is killed.)
V. 9
(Do not plant any crop in the same field with your grapevines; if you do, you are forbidden to use either the grapes or the produce of the other crop.)
V. 11
(Do not wear cloth made by weaving wool and linen together.)
V. 12
(Sew tassels on the four corners of your clothes)
Those were all laws of that time.. yet how many of those do we actually follow now? Like... People pick and choose certain verses in the bible in order to get their own opinion across rather than actually bothering to do research or even read the rest of the chapter.

Also there is the argument that Men are supposed to be Male and Women are supposed to be Female...As in Genesis 5:2
([God] created them male and female.)
That we have to be a certain way because we were born that way. And yea maybe, cause who are we to change what God had intended for us- but there is no mention of intersex people. Where do the people who don't seem to conform to one gender or the other because they were born that way fit in?

Then there's the other argument (kind of along the lines of the one above) that God made us specifically to his own design and that being transgender is... how to put it- uh.. like I've heard it said that "God doesn't make mistakes" meaning that no one is born with the wrong body. But... I don't know. Maybe it's not necessarily a mistake. Maybe I was in the wrong body on purpose. Maybe I was made this way. Maybe I was made to be transgender? Who really knows? I mean...Since God created our bodies and our minds isn't it possible that this is the way I'm supposed to be? He knows all things- He knew I would turn out this way so wasn't this what He had intended all along?

Sorry this is all so long but is there anyone who can help?
I'm just so confused on this issue and I don't know what I should do about my feelings?
I believe I am trasngender. But is it wrong? Is transgender a sin?
Here's my thought; the bible doesn't address a desire to be the opposite sex directly, but it does say that God knits people in the womb. Now, that can be taken two ways:

1. You are the female sex, and you should stay female (God wants it that way); or
2. You are made exactly as you are meant to be, and so if you feel male, then that is how you are meant to feel right now.

I would tend to side with the second argument since; God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, which means he created all people with foresight of their entire lives. He created Adam and Eve with the knowledge they would sin, with the knowledge of the serpent, with the knowledge of mankind's fall. He saw it before it happened and still made humanity, thus, it was supposed to happen. And the only way this argument can be falsified is if it can be shown that God is not omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

And if God is not omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent, why call him God?

Thus, from what I can discern -- taking that God is all powerful, that he foresaw the fall, and foresaw you and your life -- it seems that you are the way you are meant to be.
 
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I don't think anyone here is bullying the OP. I would speak out about the truth and about what is right even if it would hurt the other person. Because its for their own good, I don't consider partiality, neither did I mean to talk negatively but I just wanted to speak out on what I think is right and wrong. I apologize if I spoke in the wrong way in my previous posts.
Love is patient, and love is kind, and love keeps no record of wrongs, and love does not delight in lies but rejoices with truth, love is not self serving, nor does love anger quickly.

Also:

Harsh speech stirs up anger, but gentle words turn away wrath.

It's not your place to "tell the truth" without tact, subtelty, or concern for another person's feelings, particularly when you yourself admit that:

You say transgender is not wrong in front of God, can you explain to me why? I'm still researching on what the OP said, so I can't come to a conclusion. I don't even know if my meaning of transgender I.e trying to be like the opposite sex, is what the OP is going through.
How can you know the truth about this, if you haven't come to a conclusion on any of it?

Deut is not full of hateful passages.
That is disputable.

The passage I quoted tells us not to wear clothes that is meant for the opposite sex. Why is that hateful? Do you want to wear clothes that a man wears? If you want to follow God, you need to follow His commandments and His rules. You can't ignore certain passages because you don't like them.
The point is this. I am sure there are many passages of the bible you ignore. So, while you say "you can't ignore certain passages" I am quite sure you don't stone adulteresses, thus you yourself ignorecertain passages. If you ignore some froma certain book, then all the passages in that book might as well be ignored.

The Holy Bible is God's word. Nothing written in The Bible is silly, whether for the present day or ancient times. There are many things from the Old testament which we don't need to do because Jesus died on the cross for us. But the rules God gave us, we must follow, whether it's from OT or NT. Rules like which animals are clean and unclean. I follow that and I don't eat unclean animals.
You justs said that there are things from the Old Testament that are no longer needing to be done. I think, then, that you pick and choose. Unless you have some real, tangible standard from which you can discern which OT verses are valid and which aren't. If you find the answer to that, then you can tell us all, because at present we have many different interpretations of the bible, and nobody's really sure, definitively, which one is correct in its entirety.

You said a man wore a tunic which looks a lot like a dress, are you talking about someone from the Bible? Or about someone you saw? Even today we have clothes which cause confusion as to which gender it exactly belongs to, I would just avoid such clothes.
In Roman times, men wore skirts. Jesus probably would have worn something similar to a skirt or a dress. In many Eastern countries, men still wear what look like skirts.

There is this show done by Steve Harvey, the name of the show is Ask Steve. Some guy anonymously send an email to Steve with a question, the anonymous guy wore panties each day as it is more comfortable for him while driving his truck. He wanted an answer from Steve on how to buy more of them and keep them without the anonymous guy's wife knowing about it. Now, this is definitely wrong as panties are for women ONLY.
Why? If they are more comfortable, then he wears them for comfort. It's hardly a perverse motive. Soeciety's definitions of what is acceptable as clothing for each gender change with the society we are part of. In the West, women wear trousers, men wear pink. In Old England, heels were made for men, not women.

Here it's very clear. Why? Because panties are for women, everyone knows it. But when it comes to clothes which are not assigned to a certain gender, we have the confusion, I'm not sure if this is a way of the Devil to have many people wear the wrong clothes. So I would just stick to the ones I know are not wrong in anyway.
I think ascribing moral value to clothes because of a "M" or "F" label that some fashion company has put on there, is missing the point really. I'd be quite sure an unclothed person in some far off country wouldn't give a damn if the clothes they were given said "M" or "F".

There are many genders today, but only two genders are made by God. Male and female. Rest all are not of God.
If God makes people, knitted in the womb, with foresight of all their entire lives, and still chooses to make them, then people are as God intended them to be.

People who try to be exactly like the opposite sex end up having sex with the same gender as theirs, I.e gays and lesbians. Homosexuality is a choice, if it wasn't a choice and if it was something that people are born with then God wouldn't make a rule against homosexuality.
Jesus, the messiah, who challenged the cultural customs that had become laws of the land, never even mentioned homosexuality, or transgenderism. I am not sure that at the Council of Nicaea, where a group of men chose books of the bible that fitted their religious viewpoints (many of which had already adopted Roman Paganisms) are qualified to decide what is God's word and what isn't.
Because if we are born with that kind of homosexual feeling, then we won't have a chance to go to Heaven and that wouldn't fair and unfairness is something God wouldn't do. I don't think the OP has this problem, but this is what I have heard of transgenders - trying to be exactly like the opposite sex.
The bible doesn't address transgenderism. You equate it with homosexuality, when it is not the same thing.
 
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Love is patient, and love is kind, and love keeps no record of wrongs, and love does not delight in lies but rejoices with truth, love is not self serving, nor does love anger quickly.

Also:

Harsh speech stirs up anger, but gentle words turn away wrath.

It's not your place to "tell the truth" without tact, subtelty, or concern for another person's feelings, particularly when you yourself admit that:



How can you know the truth about this, if you haven't come to a conclusion on any of it?



That is disputable.



The point is this. I am sure there are many passages of the bible you ignore. So, while you say "you can't ignore certain passages" I am quite sure you don't stone adulteresses, thus you yourself ignorecertain passages. If you ignore some froma certain book, then all the passages in that book might as well be ignored.



You justs said that there are things from the Old Testament that are no longer needing to be done. I think, then, that you pick and choose. Unless you have some real, tangible standard from which you can discern which OT verses are valid and which aren't. If you find the answer to that, then you can tell us all, because at present we have many different interpretations of the bible, and nobody's really sure, definitively, which one is correct in its entirety.



In Roman times, men wore skirts. Jesus probably would have worn something similar to a skirt or a dress. In many Eastern countries, men still wear what look like skirts.



Why? If they are more comfortable, then he wears them for comfort. It's hardly a perverse motive. Soeciety's definitions of what is acceptable as clothing for each gender change with the society we are part of. In the West, women wear trousers, men wear pink. In Old England, heels were made for men, not women.



I think ascribing moral value to clothes because of a "M" or "F" label that some fashion company has put on there, is missing the point really. I'd be quite sure an unclothed person in some far off country wouldn't give a damn if the clothes they were given said "M" or "F".



If God makes people, knitted in the womb, with foresight of all their entire lives, and still chooses to make them, then people are as God intended them to be.



Jesus, the messiah, who challenged the cultural customs that had become laws of the land, never even mentioned homosexuality, or transgenderism. I am not sure that at the Council of Nicaea, where a group of men chose books of the bible that fitted their religious viewpoints (many of which had already adopted Roman Paganisms) are qualified to decide what is God's word and what isn't.


The bible doesn't address transgenderism. You equate it with homosexuality, when it is not the same thing.
I'm on my mobile so I can't quote out each of your points, but I'll make my reply to each of your points in paragraphs.

1) I do think about the other person's feeling before I speak. I avoid saying anything if I feel I might hurt that person. But when it comes to the Bible and about spiritual life, I would talk about it no matter what. If it is a subject that would be hurt the other person, then I would do my best to talk in the best manner I can and try not to hurt them.

2) I din't say that I don't have a conclusion to any of it. I said that I don't have a conclusion as to if transgender is wrong or not, or in other words I haven't found it anywhere in the Bible informing us that transgender is wrong. But I do have an idea of certain things that could be wrong and that's what I talked about, certain things which I think can be related to transgender.

3) I wouldn't stone adulteresses. Judgement is not in my hands but it is upto God. God decides what to do with them. And I do my best to follow all the rules that I have read from the Scriptures which God ask us to follow.

4) We follow NKJV in our Chruch, I haven't read any other versions of the Bible. And when I talked about certain things of the OT that we don't have to follow, I meant things such as festivals that are mentioned in the OT. We don't need to celebrate those festivals.
Colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

OT festivals are a shadow of the work of Christ, to continue doing such things is a dishonour His coming. Even sacrifices are no longer required. I din't pick and choose these things, I found out that we don't need to do them from the Bible.

5) Yes, some men still do wear skirts but I don't see why we need to care about that? I don't know what Jesus wore, neither do I want to assume what He could have worn. I do my best to wear modest clothes that are normally recognised as men's clothes, which are made for men and are preferable for their body. Rest of the clothes such as skirts which are normally made for women, even if they would be my traditional clothes, I avoid them. Because in my tiny mind, what I understand is that skirts are for women, even when you go to a toilet how do you identify the one for women and the one for men? The one for women has an image of a woman with a skirt and that of a man has pants on. So I avoid them, anyone else wearing it is their choice, just because they wear it doesn't mean that its okay to wear skirts.

6) So your telling me that you are fine with wearing panties just because they are comfortable? Well, I feel comfortable when I'm naked, its a relaxed feeling when I remove my clothes off, that doesn't mean I can walk or go out naked. Panties are made to fit a woman's body, not a man's body. That should help you understand that it is for a woman and not for a man, not because the company or the brand labels it as something for women.

7) Again, why are you concerned about what an unclothed person would think? This is about what God thinks. If I was handed a panty when I have no clothes on I won't accept it.

8) Yes, God does forsee everything before he creates us. He also does see all the sins that would be doing as well. But we are the ones to overcome it. I have done a lot of sins, but I can't say that God knew I would do this, and God made me this way, so I'm gonna be this way and not try to overcome the sin. I can't do that, and God knows that I would do such and such sins, but I don't think God ever wants or intends anyone to be sinful forever, that is our choice. God has a plan for everything, He knows everything we would go through and He does give us many chances to overcome the sin. It's just that the sin one struggles with can defer from each person.

9) Jesus, The Father and the Holy Spirit are one. The Bible is God's word. The Bible is written by the inspiration of God.

2Ti 3:16 "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,"

Now about homosexuality in The Bible.

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

I don't need to say more about that.

10) Here's the meaning of transgender from wikipedia.

Transgender is the state of one's gender identity or gender expression not matching one's assigned sex.[1] Transgender is independent of sexual orientation; transgender people may identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, etc; some may consider conventional sexual orientation labels inadequate or inapplicable to them.

A transgender person can be homosexual, because a transgender person tries to be like the opposite gender and well, when they try to be completely like the opposite gender, they normally have sex with the same gender. I don't know if the OP has that issue, but that normally happens as far as I know.
 
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Here's my thought; the bible doesn't address a desire to be the opposite sex directly, but it does say that God knits people in the womb. Now, that can be taken two ways:

1. You are the female sex, and you should stay female (God wants it that way); or
2. You are made exactly as you are meant to be, and so if you feel male, then that is how you are meant to feel right now.

I would tend to side with the second argument since; God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, which means he created all people with foresight of their entire lives. He created Adam and Eve with the knowledge they would sin, with the knowledge of the serpent, with the knowledge of mankind's fall. He saw it before it happened and still made humanity, thus, it was supposed to happen. And the only way this argument can be falsified is if it can be shown that God is not omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

And if God is not omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent, why call him God?

Thus, from what I can discern -- taking that God is all powerful, that he foresaw the fall, and foresaw you and your life -- it seems that you are the way you are meant to be.
Wolfgaming I don't even know what your talking about. And if your saying you are the owner of truth.... sigh... thats fantastic for you.
 
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Wolfgaming I don't even know what your talking about. And if your saying you are the owner of truth.... sigh... thats fantastic for you.
You're 14 years old. I don't really think you know what many people are talking about.
 
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Wolfgaming I don't even know what your talking about. And if your saying you are the owner of truth.... sigh... thats fantastic for you.
He is WolfGaming? o_O
 
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You're 14 years old. I don't really think you know what many people are talking about.
Just because she's 14 doesn't mean that she can't understand what others talk about. There is a 14 year old who got admission into an IIT college in India, IIT has a series of exams that you need to attempt to even be considered for admission. IIT exams are the toughest ones in India among the college levels and the college has a ranking in the top 800 in the world. Many people who are older can't even get through the exams after years of training, but that kid did it. Also there are many 14 year olds who have questioned Elder people in the church and have corrected the Elder ones. (By Elder people I mean the older ones and not the senior members of the Church)
 
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Don't confuse us being born into sin as sin being acceptable. Being "transgendered" is perverse. There's no question about it. It's an abomination. That's like if I say "the Bible doesn't say not to use meth, so it's okay to use meth!" Is this reasonable? Of course not.