ty for taking the time to write to me and telling me about your journey. I am listening but I have faith in our scientists and my religion. So I am trying to bridge the gap. I'm finding it tough when both sides tell me you cant have both - yet that's what I want. I cant just say science has it wrong - the theories leading to the big bang are the same ones that allow us to send telescopes through space and understand the meaning of time and how its affected by speed and mass. So I really struggle when people tell me to throw away what science tells me when all of us use that same science when we use the internet or see an image from a space telescope.
You mentioned where did the mass come from to begin big bang - yayyyyyy - this is my point - here is a possible explanation to the marriage of science and Christianity - Big Bang started with singularity and singularity did NOT occur in space or a point in time - rather time and space began in the singularity. So like u said - where did it come from - I believe it was from GOD - genesis Chap 1.
But my struggles are that my beliefs in what I value as a human, and what I am learning in science, aren't marrying well with what I believe in my faith and I want them to - My hope is that as we all grow in our knowledge spiritually and scientifically this gap will close. Right now, despite the fact we all think we are so very clever, I believe we are like ignorant children and all of us have a lot to learn yet.
Oh and by the way - re debunking carbon isotope chemistry - it doesn't stop with a few thousand yrs it goes into millions and the chemistry is sound. Like any scientific projection it will express a projection with error limits. As for flesh preserving - do u remember the frozen mammoth that was found? I wanting to be careful rubbishing science because it is heavily evidence laden and all of use its outcomes in every aspect of our life. Its tough to say scientists are rubbish when they enrich our lives so much. Similarly I cant accept that scientists can dismiss my faith when it too enriches my life.
Anyway - I am struggling and I am keeping an open mind. I pray that no matter our opinions we all keep a space in our brain for knew knowledge which may amend what we think. In the mean time the conflict between the two views sometimes depresses me ... I mean seriously depresses me. I have other struggles that aren't suitable for here so its not just the science stuff...its also human values stuff.
Ty for your reply
Zoii
You mentioned where did the mass come from to begin big bang - yayyyyyy - this is my point - here is a possible explanation to the marriage of science and Christianity - Big Bang started with singularity and singularity did NOT occur in space or a point in time - rather time and space began in the singularity. So like u said - where did it come from - I believe it was from GOD - genesis Chap 1.
But my struggles are that my beliefs in what I value as a human, and what I am learning in science, aren't marrying well with what I believe in my faith and I want them to - My hope is that as we all grow in our knowledge spiritually and scientifically this gap will close. Right now, despite the fact we all think we are so very clever, I believe we are like ignorant children and all of us have a lot to learn yet.
Oh and by the way - re debunking carbon isotope chemistry - it doesn't stop with a few thousand yrs it goes into millions and the chemistry is sound. Like any scientific projection it will express a projection with error limits. As for flesh preserving - do u remember the frozen mammoth that was found? I wanting to be careful rubbishing science because it is heavily evidence laden and all of use its outcomes in every aspect of our life. Its tough to say scientists are rubbish when they enrich our lives so much. Similarly I cant accept that scientists can dismiss my faith when it too enriches my life.
Anyway - I am struggling and I am keeping an open mind. I pray that no matter our opinions we all keep a space in our brain for knew knowledge which may amend what we think. In the mean time the conflict between the two views sometimes depresses me ... I mean seriously depresses me. I have other struggles that aren't suitable for here so its not just the science stuff...its also human values stuff.
Ty for your reply
Zoii
Your welcome, I enjoy doing this sort of stuff for people who want talk about it... especially the younger crowd I still feel like a kid sometimes so yeah haha
Anyways, this is why I'm really glad I studied a bit of philosophy instead of taking more biology classes. For starters... the mindset that God and science are at war is just false, like it's an either or battle... God or/either Science ( in the context that God exists) is just false. By default, if God exists... the supernatural and the natural would simply coexist. That's just a given... I don't know how else to explain that... it's not either or in this context.
It only takes a bad philosophy in order for a scientists science to be wrong. For example, centuries ago Greek astronomers believed that the earth was at the center of the universe and planets would circle around earth and made a loop at one point which was called the Ptolemaic system. It was the scientific belief at the time. Here's a simulator to see what I mean (click start simulator) .... http://astro.unl.edu/naap/ssm/animations/ptolemaic.swf
To get to the point... you can observe, but that doesn't mean your interpretation isn't faulty. Scientist can practice science but with a faulty interpretation... he/she could believe he/she has a scientific fact when in reality he/she doesn't. "Science" can easily be wrong because science is used by human beings with human error.
You treat a scientists as if he/she is incapable of error... take off scientific white coat... take off the goggles... take away the laboratory... take away the beakers and graduated cylinders and you have yourself a human being who is easily capable of making mistakes.
It's not wise to have 100% faith in a human being, perhaps SOME faith, but not 100% (even if God didn't exist... it still be wise NOT to have 100% faith in a human being... However, if God is real ( I believe he is real) then it's absolutely wise to have 100% faith in God who is all wise, good, and powerful.
I don't know about "carbon isotope chemistry." I was talking about Carbon dating 14 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating
I remember hearing something about a mammoth finding... However, comparing the dinosaur tissue finding with the mammoth is a false analogy. The dinosaur tissue wasn't found frozen... it was found in the open field which seriously hurts the evolutionary model since the dinosaur tissue couldn't have survived millions of years in such conditions. That dinosaur tissue would've decayed a loooong time ago...
It's not that scientist are always rubbish.. but, that they can be rubbish. It's possible for scientists to be rubbish.
Don't be too sad... it'll be okay... just go step by step, slowly figuring this stuff out. One question at a time.
P.S. - Issac Newton... the most influential or one of the most influential scientist believed in God. I don't know if that helps.
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