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LOL, that's where i'd have to disagree with you.
First of all, the baby itself should have a right to life, regardless of Incest or Rape (i know this is a controversial issue, but i firmly believe that MURDER [yes, it's murder] is NOT the answer to ANY situation). It's NOT up to the decision of the "mother" to say if she wants the baby or not. It happened, and she'll have to deal with it. It sounds like i'm being really harsh and judgmental...XD but i'm really just saying this from a Biblical perspective.
True, the "option" does indeed exist, but that's based on the world's perspective of "right and wrong".
The BIBLE is NOT open to "personal interpretation". It's the WORD OF GOD, and unless you're a psuedo-christian or some sort of post-modernist, i honestly don't see why you should consider Abortion to be an option. XP
Babies have rights too--just because they were conceived under terrible circumstances doesn't make it "right to do wrong".
"Two wrongs does NOT make a right."~famous proverb
Also...about family planning....
i know this sounds insignificant...but in China, having sons is a HUGE deal. People WANT sons to carry down their family name, uphold their tradition, and also so that when they are dead, people will continue to burn incense for them and offer up food for the dead. It's a deep part of their culture, and when the government limits families to ONLY having 2 kids...it presents a large number of problems. People having more kids, and losing their jobs. People getting FORCED abortions. A larger population rate for males. Etc. It's part of their religion and culture to have kids, and quite honestly, i don't see why the government should restrict them....XD
but don't take this out of context.
Again, i firmly believe that God is in control of everything. Who knows, Nautilus, that baby that is going to be aborted--due to "rape or incest"--could have been the next Beethoven, the next Einstein, the person to find a cure for cancer. Anything.
All babies should have a right to life, regardless of the background from which it came from.
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First of all, the baby itself should have a right to life, regardless of Incest or Rape (i know this is a controversial issue, but i firmly believe that MURDER [yes, it's murder] is NOT the answer to ANY situation). It's NOT up to the decision of the "mother" to say if she wants the baby or not. It happened, and she'll have to deal with it. It sounds like i'm being really harsh and judgmental...XD but i'm really just saying this from a Biblical perspective.
True, the "option" does indeed exist, but that's based on the world's perspective of "right and wrong".
The BIBLE is NOT open to "personal interpretation". It's the WORD OF GOD, and unless you're a psuedo-christian or some sort of post-modernist, i honestly don't see why you should consider Abortion to be an option. XP
Babies have rights too--just because they were conceived under terrible circumstances doesn't make it "right to do wrong".
"Two wrongs does NOT make a right."~famous proverb
Also...about family planning....
i know this sounds insignificant...but in China, having sons is a HUGE deal. People WANT sons to carry down their family name, uphold their tradition, and also so that when they are dead, people will continue to burn incense for them and offer up food for the dead. It's a deep part of their culture, and when the government limits families to ONLY having 2 kids...it presents a large number of problems. People having more kids, and losing their jobs. People getting FORCED abortions. A larger population rate for males. Etc. It's part of their religion and culture to have kids, and quite honestly, i don't see why the government should restrict them....XD
but don't take this out of context.
Again, i firmly believe that God is in control of everything. Who knows, Nautilus, that baby that is going to be aborted--due to "rape or incest"--could have been the next Beethoven, the next Einstein, the person to find a cure for cancer. Anything.
All babies should have a right to life, regardless of the background from which it came from.
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In Christ Alone,
TheBlackRider
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lol....i don't understand why you are bringing this up....@_@
The OP was asking if "Family planning is a sin?"
so.....based on logical reasoning, it's asking in the context of believers. XD
Also, maybe the question we should all be asking ourselves is "What can i do to help" rather than judging them or excusing their unbiblical behavior. XP
Children are indeed a blessing from God, but if you don't want kids....that's your decision. It's not like we're forcing you to have kids or something (LOL!!!!)
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The OP was asking if "Family planning is a sin?"
so.....based on logical reasoning, it's asking in the context of believers. XD
Also, maybe the question we should all be asking ourselves is "What can i do to help" rather than judging them or excusing their unbiblical behavior. XP
Children are indeed a blessing from God, but if you don't want kids....that's your decision. It's not like we're forcing you to have kids or something (LOL!!!!)
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And your opinion is fair on the rape/incest issue. There are a lot of varied opinions. Yours is biblically correct, but would you want to be the person that explains how this woman has to carry this child to term if she desperately wants nothing to do with it? Admittedly while it might be the right thing to do, not everyone believes this and a non-christian probably won't be swayed by biblical arguments. Shoudl we force her to have the child anyways or let her choose for herself and deal with the consequences come judgment day?
As far as the aborted baby being the next einstein or beethoven sure it could happen, but there is an equal chance it's the next hitler, dahmer, or bin Laden. So not the best argument.
As far as the aborted baby being the next einstein or beethoven sure it could happen, but there is an equal chance it's the next hitler, dahmer, or bin Laden. So not the best argument.
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I don't see why it would be a sin. Family planning doesn't mean abortion. Abortion is abortion. Doesn't have anything to do with planning a family, but everything to do with murdering a baby. The Bible speaks against abortion ( it states that we are humans since conception), but doesn't speak against family planning. I find the arguments against family planning unfounded. Is getting car insurance a sign of weak faith and distrust in God? or a life insurance? a savings account? No. It's wisdom. The reality is that not everyone is able to support an 11 kids family (my dad has 10 siblings, my mom has 8, so I know about big families).
If you can afford it, awesome. But don't put that burden on everyone. There are even health related situations where a woman has to use a form of birth control, for intance, in cases of complicated pregnancies and deliveries, some women have to wait 1 or 2 years before getting pregnant again. I'm convinced that noone has the right to condemn a brother or sister's decision to use birth control. It's not forbidden in the Bible.
Personally, I love children. I wanna have 3-5, but I wanna be able ( my husband and I) to provide for them and give them the attention they need. So again....whatever works for your situation. If it's your conviction not to use birth control, by all means don't sin by violating your conscience, but don't impose that burden on everyone else.
If you can afford it, awesome. But don't put that burden on everyone. There are even health related situations where a woman has to use a form of birth control, for intance, in cases of complicated pregnancies and deliveries, some women have to wait 1 or 2 years before getting pregnant again. I'm convinced that noone has the right to condemn a brother or sister's decision to use birth control. It's not forbidden in the Bible.
Personally, I love children. I wanna have 3-5, but I wanna be able ( my husband and I) to provide for them and give them the attention they need. So again....whatever works for your situation. If it's your conviction not to use birth control, by all means don't sin by violating your conscience, but don't impose that burden on everyone else.
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Lol, honestly, who are we to judge anyone? we obviously can't force our beliefs down someone's throat--regardless of it being the "RIGHT thing" or not. God gave each one of us free will--we can't just point fingers at the woman and say "YOU MUST KEEP YOUR BABY." We, as Christians, need to speak the truth in love.
So when someone is doing wrong, such as aborting a baby (or as you mentioned in some of your other posts) or promoting homosexuality, it's not a matter of "I'm not going to point fingers." or "As long as it doesn't hurt me, they can do whatever they want." God, if He's truly living inside of us, fills us with HIS everlasting love. When the people around us do wrong, we are supposed to speak the truth in love and correct them. If we hold our peace, we are basically saying "Have fun in hell".
That sounds SO harsh...hahahaha, but it's true. If WE don't tell them they're doing wrong, WHO WILL?!
When it comes down to a matter of morals, it's not supposed to be subjective all the time. In fact, contrary to popular opinion, it's supposed to be a Universal Truth.
Hahahah, my example was NOT an argument, and my focus was not to argue either.
Next Hitler, bin Laden, Dahmer? That could be anyone. Not just an unborn child. Like i said before, abortion is never an option for Christians.
And....in order not to digress tooo much...(LOL)
i must say that i personally don't believe in family planning...because God knows what we can handle. If we can't handle children (or we think we can't....), I think God knows better than anyone else--He knows better than us!
Children are a blessing from God.
In my church, there is a couple that just DIDN'T want kids. The wife was afraid...etc. (lots of things involved).
She took a lot of birth control pills, but God still allowed them to have a child. She is now very joyful and happy with her child--and her husband is very happy as well. God can work around anything.....and He knows the best for us. XD so....i'd personally just leave it up to God.
Again, i'm not going to go running around America burning up birth control pills (LOL, who would do that anyways? XD)
so...
smile!
So when someone is doing wrong, such as aborting a baby (or as you mentioned in some of your other posts) or promoting homosexuality, it's not a matter of "I'm not going to point fingers." or "As long as it doesn't hurt me, they can do whatever they want." God, if He's truly living inside of us, fills us with HIS everlasting love. When the people around us do wrong, we are supposed to speak the truth in love and correct them. If we hold our peace, we are basically saying "Have fun in hell".
That sounds SO harsh...hahahaha, but it's true. If WE don't tell them they're doing wrong, WHO WILL?!
When it comes down to a matter of morals, it's not supposed to be subjective all the time. In fact, contrary to popular opinion, it's supposed to be a Universal Truth.
Hahahah, my example was NOT an argument, and my focus was not to argue either.
Next Hitler, bin Laden, Dahmer? That could be anyone. Not just an unborn child. Like i said before, abortion is never an option for Christians.
And....in order not to digress tooo much...(LOL)
i must say that i personally don't believe in family planning...because God knows what we can handle. If we can't handle children (or we think we can't....), I think God knows better than anyone else--He knows better than us!
Children are a blessing from God.
In my church, there is a couple that just DIDN'T want kids. The wife was afraid...etc. (lots of things involved).
She took a lot of birth control pills, but God still allowed them to have a child. She is now very joyful and happy with her child--and her husband is very happy as well. God can work around anything.....and He knows the best for us. XD so....i'd personally just leave it up to God.
Again, i'm not going to go running around America burning up birth control pills (LOL, who would do that anyways? XD)
so...
smile!
The Bible scriptures don't put limits on family size. As long as children are conceived within God's arrangement of marriage, there isn't anything regarding to planning. Having a baby with someone you're not married to is fornication. Matter of fact, if you are not married according to God then a baby would be proof of sin, fornication.
Gen 1:28 was where God basically tells Adam and Eve to go and enjoy what I have given you, I give you responsibility over this earth and all it's living creatures, it's your home...go make babies and enjoy. If not for Satan's challenge and confrontation in front of ALL God's heavenly creatures; things would still be perfect and confusion about what God wants from us wouldn't be confusing. The only link we have is the Bible and prayer to understand. If you are concerned about staying right with God, then follow what the Bible says.
I don't see anything about two children. Just marry in the Lord, have a family, and raise our children from infancy learning God's ways and laws and expectations of each one of us. Which leads to happiness and a full life for everyone, simple.
Gen 1:28 was where God basically tells Adam and Eve to go and enjoy what I have given you, I give you responsibility over this earth and all it's living creatures, it's your home...go make babies and enjoy. If not for Satan's challenge and confrontation in front of ALL God's heavenly creatures; things would still be perfect and confusion about what God wants from us wouldn't be confusing. The only link we have is the Bible and prayer to understand. If you are concerned about staying right with God, then follow what the Bible says.
I don't see anything about two children. Just marry in the Lord, have a family, and raise our children from infancy learning God's ways and laws and expectations of each one of us. Which leads to happiness and a full life for everyone, simple.
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When God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply, I do not see in that command that they should multiply as quickly or numerously as possible, without regard to questions of health or resources. God told them to fill the earth. That means there's a point at which the earth is full. Overpopulation, both by secular and God's standards, is possible.
God certainly did not mean be fruitful and multiply to the exclusion of all other concerns. If a person has 2 children, he has been fruitful and has multiplied by exactly 2.
If we apply the same sort of logic to other commands, Adam and Eve must eat every plant they come across and never consider that it might be unwise. "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."
In other words, eat every single fruit you see and God forbid you decide that maybe right now you don't really want that entire watermelon. They WILL be yours for food and don't you dare complain.
God certainly did not mean be fruitful and multiply to the exclusion of all other concerns. If a person has 2 children, he has been fruitful and has multiplied by exactly 2.
If we apply the same sort of logic to other commands, Adam and Eve must eat every plant they come across and never consider that it might be unwise. "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."
In other words, eat every single fruit you see and God forbid you decide that maybe right now you don't really want that entire watermelon. They WILL be yours for food and don't you dare complain.
People are starving to death all over the earth and God's ability to afford food doesn't really sound rational. I mean think about it...Didn't he fill the earth with all sorts of tasty, healthy, food and medicine in the natural world? It's man's mentality and choices that cause the starvation. However, in regards to spiritual food, he will make sure we get it. And when we get it we pull closer to brothers and sisters and take care of our most needy first. The rest of the world hangs out waiting to something to happen for them. God's people continue putting his work first and he just seems to take care of the rest. But they will get their reward, just as God has proven he always would. He has always kept his promise. But that doesn't mean that some of his faithful servants won't die during these last days from the same things that are ailing the whole world. Matter of fact, Christ followers would certainly die, and be killed on account of his name. That could just be by means of starvation and poverty because that's one of the ways that Satan uses to undermine humans. If you find yourself starving someday, don't blame God cuz you think he's being stinggy. Satan knows his time on earth is short. He's been imprisoned here for a little while know and soon Christ is going to round him and the rest of the rebel angels and restore the earth. Then no one will be hungry....or die.
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So you're not having sex either then, right? Of course unless you're married....Because that's the law that faithful Christians live by? If you're sure you don't want them, one of you might consider a permanent solution to avoid pregnancy.
1 Cor 7:7-9 talks about being unmarried as a gift. Singleness is a good lifestyle option in the scriptures. But it demands self control.
It amazes me when people say they don't want kids and yet have sex, as if they don't know where babies come from. God isn't the one getting people pregnant when they don't want kids. Most children these days are born as a result of sinful intercourse outside the marriage arrangement. Just because life is a gift doesn't mean that God causes someone to get pregnant as a result of two peoples sin. Abortion is another sin. So two wrongs never make a right. Life is a gift and if we are loving and respecting God's laws, we won't be committing fornication or adultery... making babies out of our sin. People are disobedient to God, he's not vindictive the way faithless humans portray him. People blame God instead of being accountable for their own actions and the consequences.
1 Cor 7:7-9 talks about being unmarried as a gift. Singleness is a good lifestyle option in the scriptures. But it demands self control.
It amazes me when people say they don't want kids and yet have sex, as if they don't know where babies come from. God isn't the one getting people pregnant when they don't want kids. Most children these days are born as a result of sinful intercourse outside the marriage arrangement. Just because life is a gift doesn't mean that God causes someone to get pregnant as a result of two peoples sin. Abortion is another sin. So two wrongs never make a right. Life is a gift and if we are loving and respecting God's laws, we won't be committing fornication or adultery... making babies out of our sin. People are disobedient to God, he's not vindictive the way faithless humans portray him. People blame God instead of being accountable for their own actions and the consequences.
Do you think God is blessing all the people who are committing fornication or adultery, with babies they can't afford or didn't really want? Do you think that the world is full of starving poor children and families, because God is punishing those ones and not others? You make it sound like believing in God will shelter everyone from feeling the suffering that results from our own foolish human choices. Maybe that's why people curse God when when bad things happen...they think he's the cause and blame him. When in truth, they should be careful to follow his counsel and obey him when he tells us how to live. THEN, he blesses his people.
You think children are some kind of unconditional blessing? Explain this: Proverbs 10:1 ; Proverbs 17:25 ; Proverbs 19:13 ; Proverbs 15:20 ;
You think children are some kind of unconditional blessing? Explain this: Proverbs 10:1 ; Proverbs 17:25 ; Proverbs 19:13 ; Proverbs 15:20 ;