Yes, it would seem like Romans 1 days that. Until you realize that in context Paul is talking about those who have "exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles." Those people are idol worshippers to phrase it simply. Leviticus takes about ceremonial uncleanness. please find me a Christian who is ceremonial clean according to Leviticus.
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Hi when ever you feel this temptation do a good deed for god and others . I am very proud of you for saying it a sin some people say its a not but DO NOT listen to them there just people trying to something bad without feeling guilt. Remember with god anything is possible he will give you your strength. Ok lets put the homosexuality to fact god made sex for life ,love and hope and you know what thats its a baby but you see Satan has twisted this glorious thing god made for life .God made everything for a reason but when it homosexual then only reason that there is me because there is no reason . god loves you and if you ask for the holy spirit to guide you he will. The way you have to defeat Satan is the same way you have face a fear next you feel scared that Satan is tempting you pray and fight satan with love that the one thing that can bring him to his knees.
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I've struggled with this issue myself.
I John 1:8-9 says this: [SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
A few points..some of which you know:
1) Sexual immorality is sin, whether it is heterosexual in nature or homosexual in nature. Some people who struggle with
heterosexual sin think they are less sinful than those who struggle with homosexual sin. They are both on the same level.
I think, personally, that some heterosexuals try to medicate their own guilt by putting down those who are engaged in the
homosexual variety.
2) Your hope for deliverance from this sin is bound up in the truth of the Scriptures, as is mine. In the above verses, notice
that it says that you need to confess after sinning, AND that it is GOD who is faithful and cleanses us of sin. It is not
your work. It is God's work. God cleanses us, and that is the same whether the sin is homosexual fornication,
heterosexual fornication, lying, cheating, drug use, gluttony, smoking, or whatever sin issue that someone struggles with.
3) Some people experience deliverance from some sins instantaneously and some sins are more persistent. Don't judge
yourself harshly if this issue continues longer than you think it should.
4) I believe your focus should be on developing healthy, nonsexual relationships with people of both sexes, particularly within
the Church. You need to learn to appreciate people from a nonsexual context. I think the real needs of people who
have issues with pornography in particular is that they are seeking emotional intimacy with other people and pornography
promises that sort of a relationship, but it is indeed an empty promise that it cannot fulfill.
5) Keeping busy with both church activities and vocational or educational activities will help a lot to keep your mind off such
things. There's a lot of truth in that idle hands increase our opportunities to sin.
6) Don't let anyone convince you that homosexuality is not a sin. If you're a Christian, I don't think the Holy Spirit will allow
that anyways. Homosexuality is a sin, on the same level as heterosexual fornication. As some have mentioned above,
it is against the natural order that God created. It doesn't take much to realize that the bodies of males were not created
to have sex with one another, but with a woman. And, along with that, the personal relationship between a man and a
woman changes both in positive ways. If you look at the nature of gay relationships, it is quite often the case that it
is a power struggle, as men are created by God to be leaders, and neither can fully submit to one another as should occur
in a healthy male/female relationship. It's a hopeless situation and a dead end street. Don't waste your life pursuing it.
Most gay relationships are short-lived, and the ones that aren't, many are not monogamous. During my backsliding, I
talked to a lot of gay men in detail about their lives and I find that most if not all are not happy whatsoever with their
relationships. And it is WORSE than heterosexual couples..don't let anyone kid you in this regard.
7) When you do sin, keep in mind that God is a God of grace and enduring love. He will not give up on you or forsake you.
Let these sin events bring you to your knees and don't let them distance you from a relationship with Him. I backslid for
a while due to sexual immorality and I believe the biggest issue was that I started to view it all as hopeless and allowed
them to push me away from God rather than toward Him. That's when the real issue begins.
8) Your identity is in Jesus Christ and not in your sin. Do not call yourself a homosexual or a gay. You are a Christian and
your identity is in Jesus Christ. When you were saved (assuming you are saved), you were baptized into Christ, and
became one with Him. It is in that unity that you find your identity.
9) There is value in mutual confession with other believers, BUT I strongly encourage you, especially at your age, to be
very careful on how you do this. Sin does thrive in isolation, so there is value in being open and acknowledging your
sin to individuals who know about it and can pray for you. However, here's the problem: one, I've heard of predators
who took advantage of young people within the context of such groups to initiate a relationship, even within Christian
circles...it happens and it is real. Two, with older believers, I have heard some say that they found boyfriends in such
groups and came to accept their homosexuality. Personally, I think such mutual confession should be in the context of
a larger group or with an individual who is not tempted in this way himself..perhaps someone who struggles with
heterosexual sexual immorality. So, while I do believe in the value of mutual confession as James 5:16 teaches, there are
a lot of cautions I would consider before you enter such a situation. I have sought such a relationship in the past, usually
with the pastor of the churches I attended...nowadays, I tend to have that type of relationship with other believers that
I met online who are heterosexual and show me God's grace while not being soft on me. It is one of the blessings about
Christian Chat. In the past, in the local church, when I sought counseling, I've had mixed results..in fact, one pastor said
he would have his elders keep an eye on me so that the children wouldn't be endangered by me...and my issues had
nothing to do with children..in fact the idea of harming a child is abhorrent to me.
10) Realize that there are often underlying factors involved in what caused these homosexual desires. They aren't always so
easily identifiable, but some of them are: an absent or aloof or hostile father, sexual molestation by an older person,
bad body image such as obesity or being small in stature, rejection by male peers. The cause is NOT genetic like some
will claim. It's an emotional development issue. The origins are so early in childhood in some cases that some think
the situation is genetic. If there is a genetic component at all, I think it is so rare as to be a non-factor. The problem with
swallowing this lie is that it increases the level of hopelessness that some have in regards to this issue. By the way, I
have asked probing questions about the backgrounds of many of the gay men I've met so I know that these causes reflect
the vast majority of gay men.
Anyways, I hope these comments help. You are not alone in your struggles. And you are so early in your life that this is likely very much part of your teen development. I encourage you to seek healthy, nonsexual relationships within the context of the church and to keep your relationship with God intimate. When you fall sexually, confess your sin and depend on His cleansing.
Don't think that it's hopeless, as I don't believe it is, simply based on I John 1:8-9. Notice that those verses say ALL unrighteousness..there is not a single sin that God cannot cleanse us of. Focus on the fact that salvation is his work, and place your total faith and confidence in Jesus Christ. We are already cleansed by his sacrifice if we are saved, and his righteousness has been credited to our account. The victory is already ours.
If you desire any Scriptural support for these points, please ask.
Regards,
Robert
I John 1:8-9 says this: [SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
A few points..some of which you know:
1) Sexual immorality is sin, whether it is heterosexual in nature or homosexual in nature. Some people who struggle with
heterosexual sin think they are less sinful than those who struggle with homosexual sin. They are both on the same level.
I think, personally, that some heterosexuals try to medicate their own guilt by putting down those who are engaged in the
homosexual variety.
2) Your hope for deliverance from this sin is bound up in the truth of the Scriptures, as is mine. In the above verses, notice
that it says that you need to confess after sinning, AND that it is GOD who is faithful and cleanses us of sin. It is not
your work. It is God's work. God cleanses us, and that is the same whether the sin is homosexual fornication,
heterosexual fornication, lying, cheating, drug use, gluttony, smoking, or whatever sin issue that someone struggles with.
3) Some people experience deliverance from some sins instantaneously and some sins are more persistent. Don't judge
yourself harshly if this issue continues longer than you think it should.
4) I believe your focus should be on developing healthy, nonsexual relationships with people of both sexes, particularly within
the Church. You need to learn to appreciate people from a nonsexual context. I think the real needs of people who
have issues with pornography in particular is that they are seeking emotional intimacy with other people and pornography
promises that sort of a relationship, but it is indeed an empty promise that it cannot fulfill.
5) Keeping busy with both church activities and vocational or educational activities will help a lot to keep your mind off such
things. There's a lot of truth in that idle hands increase our opportunities to sin.
6) Don't let anyone convince you that homosexuality is not a sin. If you're a Christian, I don't think the Holy Spirit will allow
that anyways. Homosexuality is a sin, on the same level as heterosexual fornication. As some have mentioned above,
it is against the natural order that God created. It doesn't take much to realize that the bodies of males were not created
to have sex with one another, but with a woman. And, along with that, the personal relationship between a man and a
woman changes both in positive ways. If you look at the nature of gay relationships, it is quite often the case that it
is a power struggle, as men are created by God to be leaders, and neither can fully submit to one another as should occur
in a healthy male/female relationship. It's a hopeless situation and a dead end street. Don't waste your life pursuing it.
Most gay relationships are short-lived, and the ones that aren't, many are not monogamous. During my backsliding, I
talked to a lot of gay men in detail about their lives and I find that most if not all are not happy whatsoever with their
relationships. And it is WORSE than heterosexual couples..don't let anyone kid you in this regard.
7) When you do sin, keep in mind that God is a God of grace and enduring love. He will not give up on you or forsake you.
Let these sin events bring you to your knees and don't let them distance you from a relationship with Him. I backslid for
a while due to sexual immorality and I believe the biggest issue was that I started to view it all as hopeless and allowed
them to push me away from God rather than toward Him. That's when the real issue begins.
8) Your identity is in Jesus Christ and not in your sin. Do not call yourself a homosexual or a gay. You are a Christian and
your identity is in Jesus Christ. When you were saved (assuming you are saved), you were baptized into Christ, and
became one with Him. It is in that unity that you find your identity.
9) There is value in mutual confession with other believers, BUT I strongly encourage you, especially at your age, to be
very careful on how you do this. Sin does thrive in isolation, so there is value in being open and acknowledging your
sin to individuals who know about it and can pray for you. However, here's the problem: one, I've heard of predators
who took advantage of young people within the context of such groups to initiate a relationship, even within Christian
circles...it happens and it is real. Two, with older believers, I have heard some say that they found boyfriends in such
groups and came to accept their homosexuality. Personally, I think such mutual confession should be in the context of
a larger group or with an individual who is not tempted in this way himself..perhaps someone who struggles with
heterosexual sexual immorality. So, while I do believe in the value of mutual confession as James 5:16 teaches, there are
a lot of cautions I would consider before you enter such a situation. I have sought such a relationship in the past, usually
with the pastor of the churches I attended...nowadays, I tend to have that type of relationship with other believers that
I met online who are heterosexual and show me God's grace while not being soft on me. It is one of the blessings about
Christian Chat. In the past, in the local church, when I sought counseling, I've had mixed results..in fact, one pastor said
he would have his elders keep an eye on me so that the children wouldn't be endangered by me...and my issues had
nothing to do with children..in fact the idea of harming a child is abhorrent to me.
10) Realize that there are often underlying factors involved in what caused these homosexual desires. They aren't always so
easily identifiable, but some of them are: an absent or aloof or hostile father, sexual molestation by an older person,
bad body image such as obesity or being small in stature, rejection by male peers. The cause is NOT genetic like some
will claim. It's an emotional development issue. The origins are so early in childhood in some cases that some think
the situation is genetic. If there is a genetic component at all, I think it is so rare as to be a non-factor. The problem with
swallowing this lie is that it increases the level of hopelessness that some have in regards to this issue. By the way, I
have asked probing questions about the backgrounds of many of the gay men I've met so I know that these causes reflect
the vast majority of gay men.
Anyways, I hope these comments help. You are not alone in your struggles. And you are so early in your life that this is likely very much part of your teen development. I encourage you to seek healthy, nonsexual relationships within the context of the church and to keep your relationship with God intimate. When you fall sexually, confess your sin and depend on His cleansing.
Don't think that it's hopeless, as I don't believe it is, simply based on I John 1:8-9. Notice that those verses say ALL unrighteousness..there is not a single sin that God cannot cleanse us of. Focus on the fact that salvation is his work, and place your total faith and confidence in Jesus Christ. We are already cleansed by his sacrifice if we are saved, and his righteousness has been credited to our account. The victory is already ours.
If you desire any Scriptural support for these points, please ask.
Regards,
Robert
What do you think the "homosexual lifestyle" is? No one here has given any solid, irrefutable, biblical proof that 1)homosexuality is innately wrong 2) we are all born heterosexual. Saying all of this just further indoctrinates in the minds of those who are romantically attracted to people of the same sex the guilt, shame, and self-hatred that they already feel. Having childhood trauma does not make someone gay. You all also fail to recognize he rest of the lgbtq spectrum in your assumptions. Please, try and do some legitimate research before jumping to conclusions. What is right for one life isnt right for every life. The bible is supportive of all committed, consensual relationships. Not just those that are heterosexual.
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Hey man we all have at least one weakness, sometimes two or three. Find some true brothers to confide in and pray with. I would suggest you get back to reading the Gospels for meditation. Remember, our thoughts are where the sins grow so fill those thoughts with the things of Jesus. He who called you is faithful!!!
James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
S
Romans 1:18-32
But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.... Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.
So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.
That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (NLT)
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NLT)
1 Timothy 1:8-10
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine ... (ESV)
But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.... Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.
So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.
That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (NLT)
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NLT)
1 Timothy 1:8-10
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine ... (ESV)
Even though it may be innate in the fallen person, that does not mean that it is acceptable to God. Most sexual perversions, including mine (myself having lived the gay lifestyle and being same-sex attracted) does not free me to act upon that perversion, even though I was born this way. However, I trust in God, I live a life of celibacy through the grace and power of God. I stumble as all stumble, but I trust God knows my pain, knows my failings, and is all that I need to protect and aid me at all times.
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I believe God sees and knows your heart and will protect you from giving into temptation because you desire to live Holy before Him. Please pray for strength to resist it when temptation comes because it will. The enemy will continue to tempt you even after the desires subside, but you have to power to resist him
You are so brave to speak out, and the good thing is that God can deliver you. I would continue to pray wholeheartedly and literally the desire to want the same sex will leave you as you keep submitting yourself to God. I can't say for sure how God wants to do it, but I was struggling for years with something and one day I just walked away from it and didn't look back. The deliverance was amazing because God freed me and it felt so natural.
I believe He has an amazing woman for you. When I struggling with purity, I recite scriptures or phrases to overcome them
You are so brave to speak out, and the good thing is that God can deliver you. I would continue to pray wholeheartedly and literally the desire to want the same sex will leave you as you keep submitting yourself to God. I can't say for sure how God wants to do it, but I was struggling for years with something and one day I just walked away from it and didn't look back. The deliverance was amazing because God freed me and it felt so natural.
I believe He has an amazing woman for you. When I struggling with purity, I recite scriptures or phrases to overcome them
S
Scripture is not supportive of all committed, consensual sexual relationships. It does not support incest, for example, even if both partners are adults and consensual. Nor does it support homosexuality.
It does support sexual relationships between a man and a woman who are married to each other. That's it. One must be biblically illiterate to believe anything else.
As indicated in earlier posts, the male anatomy is not created to accommodate a male sex organ. This design in itself is proof of God's desire for mankind. Romans 1 alludes to this. I Corinthians 6:9-11 is another obvious indictment against those who practice homosexuality (notice the term "practice" as this does not mean that if a believer falls while struggling against this sin, that they will lose their salvation).
No one is unsympathetic or unloving toward this person. He desires to do what is right, and that is evident in his post. He has the new nature which is given at regeneration, and wants to obey God. He is looking for any practical help that anyone can provide. Every indication is that he is a child of God.
It's not an easy condition to live with. Other posters have provided encouragement to him. I suppose they have struggled with their own flavor of sin, and approach the topic with that fully in mind.
As I indicated, J John 1:8-9 says that if we confess our sins, he is just and faithful to forgive our sins, and to cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness....including sexual immorality of all types. Note that it is God who does the cleansing.
As a person who struggles with the same issues, my confidence is in Scripture and what it teaches in this regard. My confidence is in the merits of Jesus Christ and his sacrifice, and the gift of righteousness which God has already given me. I traded my sin for his righteousness when I was saved. This young man has done the same thing apparently. He is not under the condemnation of sin anymore (Romans 8:1).
I've come to understand that our acts of sin are largely about unbelief. We fail to believe that God has our best of interest at heart. Satan whispers to us that God does not have our best of interests at heart, so we go ahead and commit the sin. We then experience the negative consequences, including disturbing our intimacy with God, and learn that we should have listened to Him all along. Part of resisting sin is identifying the lie that Satan is telling us, and defeating this lie with Scripture.
In the case of homosexuality, here are some of the lies that Satan tells us:
1. Male/male relationships are acceptable to God.
2. I need sex. Sex is required for happiness.
3. I can't be happy in a relationship with a woman.
4. The situation is hopeless. God can't cleanse me of this.
5. I was born this way. God created me this way, so it's his fault.
What are the Scriptural responses to these lies that Satan tells us? Part of dealing with sin is identifying the lies that Satan is attempting to tell us, and combatting it with the truths of Scripture.
The only question is whether we will avoid a lot of suffering and wasted time by believing that God has our best interests at heart. That's really a choice that all of us make, whether we struggle with one sin or another.
Regards,
Robert
It does support sexual relationships between a man and a woman who are married to each other. That's it. One must be biblically illiterate to believe anything else.
As indicated in earlier posts, the male anatomy is not created to accommodate a male sex organ. This design in itself is proof of God's desire for mankind. Romans 1 alludes to this. I Corinthians 6:9-11 is another obvious indictment against those who practice homosexuality (notice the term "practice" as this does not mean that if a believer falls while struggling against this sin, that they will lose their salvation).
No one is unsympathetic or unloving toward this person. He desires to do what is right, and that is evident in his post. He has the new nature which is given at regeneration, and wants to obey God. He is looking for any practical help that anyone can provide. Every indication is that he is a child of God.
It's not an easy condition to live with. Other posters have provided encouragement to him. I suppose they have struggled with their own flavor of sin, and approach the topic with that fully in mind.
As I indicated, J John 1:8-9 says that if we confess our sins, he is just and faithful to forgive our sins, and to cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness....including sexual immorality of all types. Note that it is God who does the cleansing.
As a person who struggles with the same issues, my confidence is in Scripture and what it teaches in this regard. My confidence is in the merits of Jesus Christ and his sacrifice, and the gift of righteousness which God has already given me. I traded my sin for his righteousness when I was saved. This young man has done the same thing apparently. He is not under the condemnation of sin anymore (Romans 8:1).
I've come to understand that our acts of sin are largely about unbelief. We fail to believe that God has our best of interest at heart. Satan whispers to us that God does not have our best of interests at heart, so we go ahead and commit the sin. We then experience the negative consequences, including disturbing our intimacy with God, and learn that we should have listened to Him all along. Part of resisting sin is identifying the lie that Satan is telling us, and defeating this lie with Scripture.
In the case of homosexuality, here are some of the lies that Satan tells us:
1. Male/male relationships are acceptable to God.
2. I need sex. Sex is required for happiness.
3. I can't be happy in a relationship with a woman.
4. The situation is hopeless. God can't cleanse me of this.
5. I was born this way. God created me this way, so it's his fault.
What are the Scriptural responses to these lies that Satan tells us? Part of dealing with sin is identifying the lies that Satan is attempting to tell us, and combatting it with the truths of Scripture.
The only question is whether we will avoid a lot of suffering and wasted time by believing that God has our best interests at heart. That's really a choice that all of us make, whether we struggle with one sin or another.
Regards,
Robert
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Here's a very good video on the subject of the Gospel and Homosexuality by David Platt. It is compassionate and loving and dispels some of the justifications for homosexuality that have been mentioned above. David Platt is a very sound Bible teacher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WY0zTygEyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WY0zTygEyo
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No, it's doesn't seem to say that, it does say that.
I can appreciate that at such a young age you've taken the time to ponder this issue, but in reality, you have sorely misinterpreted Scripture and thus have erroneously made two completely different verses into one. Both the worshiping of images and homosexuality (two completely separate matters - one of which, in the above case, that clearly stemmed from the other) is what St. Paul is telling us is sinful. He explicitly mentions two things - both equally sinful - yet you dismiss the one that goes against your sexual desire. An on-going theme in the homosexual community, I might add.
I pray (and urge other believers to pray as well) that God shines the light of Christ and truth within your heart so that you don't approach this matter through the lens of your own sexual preference and so you can see that the image portrayed in the entire Bible for all Christians is not just limited to Romans 1 (or any other verse or passage, for that matter), has been believed by the Church (actually by Jews, Christan's and Muslims) for over 2,000 years now (1,400 for Muslims) and just within the past few years this pervasive movement to radically shift this view has taken place.
If you can believe in God, you can believe in the devil. How so many people, at one time, can be deceived like this, I can only attribute to the father of lies himself.
Read this:
Exposing NALT! | Christians Against NALT
"Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools [SUP]23 [/SUP]and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. [SUP]25 [/SUP]They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen."
Because people "exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images", "therefore" (meaning for that reason or as a result) something happened. So what exactly happened? What did God do because of what man did first? Because man "exchanged the glory of the immortal God" for other mortal things God "therefore" (as a result of doing that), "gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another."[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. [SUP]25 [/SUP]They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen."
I can appreciate that at such a young age you've taken the time to ponder this issue, but in reality, you have sorely misinterpreted Scripture and thus have erroneously made two completely different verses into one. Both the worshiping of images and homosexuality (two completely separate matters - one of which, in the above case, that clearly stemmed from the other) is what St. Paul is telling us is sinful. He explicitly mentions two things - both equally sinful - yet you dismiss the one that goes against your sexual desire. An on-going theme in the homosexual community, I might add.
I pray (and urge other believers to pray as well) that God shines the light of Christ and truth within your heart so that you don't approach this matter through the lens of your own sexual preference and so you can see that the image portrayed in the entire Bible for all Christians is not just limited to Romans 1 (or any other verse or passage, for that matter), has been believed by the Church (actually by Jews, Christan's and Muslims) for over 2,000 years now (1,400 for Muslims) and just within the past few years this pervasive movement to radically shift this view has taken place.
If you can believe in God, you can believe in the devil. How so many people, at one time, can be deceived like this, I can only attribute to the father of lies himself.
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@Newb I'm not attacking you. I struggled with Homosexuality for years. I still have thoughts at times and I know how you feel. But I have to tell you God didn't create you to be gay. That's your choice. You're being decieved by the Devil. You think you are this way but you're not. If it were okay you wouldn't have felt guilt. The reason you don't feel guilt anymore is because you gave into your sin so now you are blinded by it. You can't control your feelings but you do control your actions. God see's homosexuality as an abomination. The Bible says so. BUT God still loves you and He will deliver you. I say this without judgement. I don't know what you've been through but I know You're precious to God and He has something SOOO MUCH BETTER for you. Please, just turn to God. Don't listen to me if you wish but please just talk to God, He will answer you.
thank you for your more loving approach than some others on here. However, I have spent plenty of time, years actually, in communication with god about this topic. I do not choose to feel this way. I don't act on my feelings. The word abomination in the bible meant ceremonially unclean. And guilt wasn't the right word I felt disgusted. Until God deivered me from the shame of who I am. I wish it were a choice. I don't wake up choosing to be like this but I thank god for who he made me to be, who he is making me to be, and who he changed me from being. I don't think I'm "this way" I lnow I am.
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Are you trying to fix yourself because you're afraid your family and fellow Christians will reject you? Or are you afraid God will reject you?
Many people may not agree with this and thats fine, but God knows your deepest desires. He wrote you in the palm of His hand. IF God did not Love you this way then why would he make you this way? Your feelings about yourself right now are so destructive. And if homosexuality IS a sin, well then Jesus dies for our sins. We can sin and repent. God loves and He forgives..
Many people may not agree with this and thats fine, but God knows your deepest desires. He wrote you in the palm of His hand. IF God did not Love you this way then why would he make you this way? Your feelings about yourself right now are so destructive. And if homosexuality IS a sin, well then Jesus dies for our sins. We can sin and repent. God loves and He forgives..
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Ni Newb,
Let me ask you a question. Do you think heterosexuals wake up choosing to feel miserable about themselves? If I've always been an angry person, as far back as I can remember, as far back as my family can remember ("he's been this way even as a baby"), should I declare to the world that "this is just who I am - it's how God made me"? Would you accept that? I kind of doubt it. So if that's the case, why then should we believe that God made you that way? What proof do you have? There is no Scriptural nor scientific proof (this is a fact) that shows us people are born gay, so please explain how you "know" you're that way and how you've become certain beyond every reasonable doubt that God created you that way. I'm not trying to put the spotlight on you, but you must know deep down that you have to ask yourself these questions.
In truth, yes, you have zero need to need to be ashamed, brother, for in truth, you are fearfully and wonderfully made. (Psalm 139:14) God is love (1 John 4:8) and we are made in His image so that that is TRULY who you are - what you are: LOVE!
You are not what you feel (which includes homosexual urges), but you are so, so much more precious and valuable than that.
Furthermore, you don't have a choice to feel the way you do - most of us get that and it's not what we mean by "choice." What we mean is the God-given ability to reject those feelings (which, again, you don't have control over) that arise within you and not to act upon them. As a Christian, you just have to be open to the possibility that if the Bible is right, then something is wrong. The same way there is something wrong within a man or woman who constantly wants to belittle others - or a man or woman who constantly lies, steals, or kills. That is not our natural state, to do things like that. God made us perfect but we fell from that perfection. Why each individual falls is different, but let's not mistake our fallen state for who we really are - it would be a grave mistake on our end - on your end.
You said you don't act on your feelings, but then you seem convinced that having gay urges is okay? If it isn't a sin, why then wouldn't you act on your "natural", "God-given" feelings? Can you clarify that for me, please? If not acting on your feelings means that you have an instinctive desire to engage in homosexual behavior, but choose not to, then that's a good thing and you are no different than the rest of the Christian world. As mentioned in the site above (which I would hope you would take the time to read - it really isn't that long), God never told Adam and Eve not to be tempted, He essentially told them not to act on that temptation. When they fell, it was because they acted, not because they were tempted. Very important to understand. As Christians, we're not told to put an end to these temptations that arise within all of us, as again, even Adam, in his purest state, in the kingdom of heaven, in the presence of God Himself, was tempted, but our duty as Christians is to hate and reject and fight against these temptations. If this is what you're doing, then you are on the right path back home. If not, then in order to enter into the kingdom to dwell with your Master, you must repent.
Don't be deceived by groups like NALT, brother, for they have, "...turned their ears away from the truth and turned aside to myths." The truly enlightened Church, the Apostles, the Saints, and the monks, for the past 2,000 years have not been mistaken, those who are operating by the authority of the spirit of this age are mistaken. They are truly unenlightened laymen that have turned God's mystical and divinely-inspired word into an intellectual exercise and thus have sadly deceived many, many people who are desperately in seek of truth. They have done so because they don't KNOW the truth and so they speak based on what their "their itching ears want to hear." The Apostles didn't do that - they weren't knowledgeable people - as even the Pharisees knew they (the Apostles) were "unlearned men", but they were Spiritual. They didn't know everything they knew because they had studied their days away, but because they had been "sanctified by the Father's truth" (John 17:16-18) and that truth, over and over again, explicitly tells us that practicing homosexuality will strip from you the entrance into the kingdom. Not having urges to practice, but actually practicing. Very important distinction. And this is not a matter to take lightly, brother, as your only objective is to do just that: to enter into the kingdom!
Please, ask God to give you a heart that does not seek its own desires, but to do the will of the Father in heaven. You have to ask for things like this, newb, and don't trust yourself. I'm telling you. Put yourself on trial and question your motives and your feelings and whether or not they are of God or of the flesh. Ask the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, to place your will in line with His and just stay receptive.
God bless you.
Let me ask you a question. Do you think heterosexuals wake up choosing to feel miserable about themselves? If I've always been an angry person, as far back as I can remember, as far back as my family can remember ("he's been this way even as a baby"), should I declare to the world that "this is just who I am - it's how God made me"? Would you accept that? I kind of doubt it. So if that's the case, why then should we believe that God made you that way? What proof do you have? There is no Scriptural nor scientific proof (this is a fact) that shows us people are born gay, so please explain how you "know" you're that way and how you've become certain beyond every reasonable doubt that God created you that way. I'm not trying to put the spotlight on you, but you must know deep down that you have to ask yourself these questions.
In truth, yes, you have zero need to need to be ashamed, brother, for in truth, you are fearfully and wonderfully made. (Psalm 139:14) God is love (1 John 4:8) and we are made in His image so that that is TRULY who you are - what you are: LOVE!
You are not what you feel (which includes homosexual urges), but you are so, so much more precious and valuable than that.Furthermore, you don't have a choice to feel the way you do - most of us get that and it's not what we mean by "choice." What we mean is the God-given ability to reject those feelings (which, again, you don't have control over) that arise within you and not to act upon them. As a Christian, you just have to be open to the possibility that if the Bible is right, then something is wrong. The same way there is something wrong within a man or woman who constantly wants to belittle others - or a man or woman who constantly lies, steals, or kills. That is not our natural state, to do things like that. God made us perfect but we fell from that perfection. Why each individual falls is different, but let's not mistake our fallen state for who we really are - it would be a grave mistake on our end - on your end.
You said you don't act on your feelings, but then you seem convinced that having gay urges is okay? If it isn't a sin, why then wouldn't you act on your "natural", "God-given" feelings? Can you clarify that for me, please? If not acting on your feelings means that you have an instinctive desire to engage in homosexual behavior, but choose not to, then that's a good thing and you are no different than the rest of the Christian world. As mentioned in the site above (which I would hope you would take the time to read - it really isn't that long), God never told Adam and Eve not to be tempted, He essentially told them not to act on that temptation. When they fell, it was because they acted, not because they were tempted. Very important to understand. As Christians, we're not told to put an end to these temptations that arise within all of us, as again, even Adam, in his purest state, in the kingdom of heaven, in the presence of God Himself, was tempted, but our duty as Christians is to hate and reject and fight against these temptations. If this is what you're doing, then you are on the right path back home. If not, then in order to enter into the kingdom to dwell with your Master, you must repent.
Don't be deceived by groups like NALT, brother, for they have, "...turned their ears away from the truth and turned aside to myths." The truly enlightened Church, the Apostles, the Saints, and the monks, for the past 2,000 years have not been mistaken, those who are operating by the authority of the spirit of this age are mistaken. They are truly unenlightened laymen that have turned God's mystical and divinely-inspired word into an intellectual exercise and thus have sadly deceived many, many people who are desperately in seek of truth. They have done so because they don't KNOW the truth and so they speak based on what their "their itching ears want to hear." The Apostles didn't do that - they weren't knowledgeable people - as even the Pharisees knew they (the Apostles) were "unlearned men", but they were Spiritual. They didn't know everything they knew because they had studied their days away, but because they had been "sanctified by the Father's truth" (John 17:16-18) and that truth, over and over again, explicitly tells us that practicing homosexuality will strip from you the entrance into the kingdom. Not having urges to practice, but actually practicing. Very important distinction. And this is not a matter to take lightly, brother, as your only objective is to do just that: to enter into the kingdom!
Please, ask God to give you a heart that does not seek its own desires, but to do the will of the Father in heaven. You have to ask for things like this, newb, and don't trust yourself. I'm telling you. Put yourself on trial and question your motives and your feelings and whether or not they are of God or of the flesh. Ask the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, to place your will in line with His and just stay receptive.
God bless you.