how smart are you teenagers?

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Last night I heard Dr.John Whitcomb say that scientists discovered something at the top of the Himilaya mountains..which are the tallest mountains in the world? Do you know what they found?
With the clues you gave I guessed sedimentary
 
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With the clues you gave I guessed sedimentary
you were right that the fossils found were found in sediments...fossils of sea creatures and birds and thankyou so much for your very kind support X
 

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Your being a jerk, she was making a game for the teenagers. I read the whole thread and she wasn't being malice, she was just trying teach the teenagers something. I'm going to report you... hopefully something gets done.
Well thank you for your concern. Lovely message, even though most agreed her first post was terribly vague about a topic that was terribly unimportant.
 
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Well thank you for your concern. Lovely message, even though most agreed her first post was terribly vague about a topic that was terribly unimportant.
I guess you are right, it is unimportant when scientists make discoveries that verify the words of God..it is nothing for a believer to have scientists observe for themselves the truth of God's word..believers dont really care about God's truth being vindicated do they?
 
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wow. this thread really shows the maturity of supposed adults. <sarcasm for those who can't read between the lines>

1. finding sediments/ fossils does not prove anything about that Bible being true. there are many ways that they could have gotten there.

Without more information any of those OTHER hypothesis would be equally valid.

2. We don't need to "prove" anything about God or the Bible. God has that under control. He made the whole world

1 Corinthians 1:20-24

New King James Version (NKJV)

20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks[a] foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
3. why do so many people pit the Bible and God against science as if science isn't the study of God's creation in the first place?

4. "how smart are you teenagers?" if I asked that to my high school classes I can imagine the responses, especially since not all the kids are Christian.

I understand you wanted to challenge the teenagers and get them to thinking, but the question does not show how smart the teenagers are but how well informed they might be concerning these types of discoveries.

Personally I opened the thread thinking it would be some deep theological or philosophical question.

Or at the very least a question about the Bible.

Having dealt with teenagers all day, I haven't read any really offensive posts, so I think a lot of people are over reacting and just need to let it go.

HOW does God teach and shouldn't we follow HIS example?

James 3
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
 
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I am curious how you think that finding sedimentary fossils of sea creatures with scales intact alongside sedimentary fossils of birds with feathers intact on top of the tallest mountains in the world can be explained other than a world wide flood and the fact that millions of these fossils are found deposited all over the world and have been dated back to the same time...how does this not equate with the Creation story in the bible and the Noahs flood story? I am interested to know your other viable explanations
 

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I guess you are right, it is unimportant when scientists make discoveries that verify the words of God..it is nothing for a believer to have scientists observe for themselves the truth of God's word..believers dont really care about God's truth being vindicated do they?
as said above discovering fish fossils on the top of a mountain lends no definite creedence to anything. Oh fish and bird fossils together...guess some birds died and landed there...

I mean if they found the ark that would be one thing, but finding something already explained by proven natural science does nothing either way
 
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cool...you are opening up your mind and really thinking....how is it that fish and birds died at the same time together and were instantly buried together in sediments that were over the mountain tops? the answer is simple if you realise that a world wide flood covering the tree tops would ensure that a bird would have to die in a watery environment and not on land as they would normally die
 

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because birds never die over water...
 
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Clearly birds weren't evolved enough at that point to die over water! They needed a few more thousand years! :)
 
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any bird dying in water would rot away and decay..they needed to not only die in a watery environment but also have sediments dumped on them in an instant so the fossils would be formed...only Noah's flood explains this happening as waters from the deep came up and brought sediments that were dumped on all creatures including birds..they compacted and fairly instantly formed fossils
 
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cool...you are opening up your mind and really thinking....how is it that fish and birds died at the same time together and were instantly buried together in sediments that were over the mountain tops? the answer is simple if you realise that a world wide flood covering the tree tops would ensure that a bird would have to die in a watery environment and not on land as they would normally die
Found this science article from the University of Alberta:

http://research.eas.ualberta.ca/catuneanu/files/Papers_PDF files/Catuneanu el al_Karoo_JAES 2005.pdf

Now it would interesting to see if the teenagers can read and summarize the article's findings in terms most people without an advance science background could understand. :)
 
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Carolineh, water has some pretty amazing ways of preserving things.

See petrification or bog preservation for some examples. Sediment present in the bottom of a body of water is sufficient to petrify living organisms. Deep water and the accompanying high pressure and very low temperatures further slows the process of decomposition. Allowing a slow build up of sediment to complete the process of petrification.
 
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Carolineh, water has some pretty amazing ways of preserving things.

See petrification or bog preservation for some examples. Sediment present in the bottom of a body of water is sufficient to petrify living organisms. Deep water and the accompanying high pressure and very low temperatures further slows the process of decomposition. Allowing a slow build up of sediment to complete the process of petrification.
what you sayabout bog preservation is true...but this does not explain how fossils of sea creatures and fossils of bird life alongside eachother in the same sediments...they had to have been instantly buried in a cataclysmic event in a watery environment devoid of oxygen to stop further decay..the conditions you describe about deep water and high pressure and very low temperature are the conditions present at the time of Noah's flood
 
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So, I guess the bottom line is that the flood was real- :D
 

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i dont know if you realize this but you dont need instant anything for fossilization.

Another question what happens when scientists test the fossils and learn they are from a period of time far before the flood?
 
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I hope you realise that to have a fossil with features such as scales and feathers intact without showing any decay you have to have fossilisation occuring within a week
 
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you have to realise that the carbon dating technique was so inaccurate they changed the dating method to strontium rheubidium and that proved inaccurate so the scientists changed it again..at one stage they dated a live mollusc to be ten to a hundred thousand years old and really molluscs do not live that long so whenever you hear a date given by scientists, you should just laugh at it