Is it possible to not support gay rights and support them at the same time?

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Danielle1234

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I asked a question about homosexuals earlier today and the replies said that supporting gay marriage is a sin. Is it possible to support and not support it at th same time? What I believe in gay marriage is that I wouldn't fight for gay marriage rights, I let the rest of the world fight for it or not, but if a gay couple did get married i don't care, I see that as "I don't care, it doesn't effect me." sort if situation. I don't want to rebel or sin against God but thinking this about gay marriage has become a part of my personality (I have tried changing my opinion but its hard) and grew up to treat everyone fairly. By what I think, am I supporting gay marriage or not because I don't want to make God angry?
 
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Raine

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This is a tough and complex topic... I struggle with this as well esp knowing some people who are homosexuals.

I always go with...

Love the people, Hate the sin

However...

And the problem is some people act as if homosexuality is the worst sin ever, but in reality we are all sinful and need God's intervention. Sexual sin is the most harmful in the sense that you have sinned against your own body and can never take it back. But this doesn't mean we should treat people this way if they are homosexuals. Not only that, but many people struggle with all sorts of sexual sin or temptation but just don't share it with the world.

I have also learned that Love is more important than being Right.

Regardless... We should follow Jesus' example... He loved people but did not love sin. He showed them the correct way through love.
 
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NewEagle

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I can see your point Raine, that all have sinned.

The difference is, that in many parts of the world, in addition to the U.S., the culture is redefining homosexuality as ''not a sin''. So my question is do you see lobby groups in Washington demanding that stealing, lying, and murdering be accepted as a lifestyle?

Do you see folks demanding laws be changed to accommodate these sins or any other sins? Are there political parties insisting that laws be made that would give rights to thieves or adulterers?

If folks were trying to push any of these sins as being ''ok'', would it be ok for Christians just to back away from standing up and saying no, we do not agree?
 
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Danielle1234

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Thank you Raine you're very intelligent. But what if a gay couple gets married and I'm invited to the wedding? Do I act happy for their marriage or pray for them because they sinned? And how can I love the person and hate the sin? It seems confusing on how exactly to separate both if them to live one and hate another.
 
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It's possible to support gay rights while disproving of gay actions.

I don't drink alcohol, and I can't stand drunks. But I support other people's rights to get drunk.

I can see your point Raine, that all have sinned.

The difference is, that in many parts of the world, in addition to the U.S., the culture is redefining homosexuality as ''not a sin''. So my question is do you see lobby groups in Washington demanding that stealing, lying, and murdering be accepted as a lifestyle?

Do you see folks demanding laws be changed to accommodate these sins or any other sins? Are there political parties insisting that laws be made that would give rights to thieves or adulterers?

If folks were trying to push any of these sins as being ''ok'', would it be ok for Christians just to back away from standing up and saying no, we do not agree?
This is why I support the non-coercion principle. Two gays getting married has no impact on my life.

It's a sin not to believe in God, but the First Amendment of the U.S. allows religious freedom. You can argue that this has lead to a rise in atheism, but people need to make their own choices.

If gay marriage is legal, there's no reason Christians can't continue preaching that homosexuality is a sin.
 
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Danielle1234

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Thank you percepi, so I can be happy for a gay couple getting married but still disapprove their inappropiate actions?
 

Nautilus

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Eh biblically gay marriage is wrong, cool. I have met zero homosexuals that have an interest in christianity. So two random secular people getting married? fineby me. Doesnt hurt me
 
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Danielle1234

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Thank you Nautilus. So by being fine with gay marriage are you sinning or no?
 
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Ugly

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Thank you percepi, so I can be happy for a gay couple getting married but still disapprove their inappropiate actions?
People are quick to point out 'homosexuality is just another sin, no worse', so lets apply that logic to your question here. If two people sin, can you be happy for them?
If a man murders can you be happy for him, yet still disapprove of his actions?
What if he steals?
Lies?

See, what you're asking is 'can i be happy for two people that sin, yet disagree with their sin?'. The answer is no, you cannot support sinful behavior and disapprove of it at the same time. If all sins are equal and people are saying it's ok to support homosexuality, and disagree with it, then you would have to apply that to all sin.

The simple answer is, you cannot support sin. Period. This isn't to say you can't love the people, be their friends, support them in other areas of their lives, but you Cannot support them in their sin and still disapprove. To support means to encourage, stand behind and approve of. It's a way of saying 'i'm all for this'. Christ never set that example, yes, he loved people first and foremost, but he also did not hesitate to call people out for their sins. People often forget this and put all the emphasis on Christs love. But really Christ put a lot of people in their places as well. He commanded them to stop sinning. This is Also the message of Christ while he walked the earth, not just love.
People forget part of love is not always just accepting everything, but caring enough to help someone get out of their bad choices as well. If you loved someone who is in an abusive relationship, would say 'that's what they want, so i will say nothing'? Is that love? Or is love stepping out and doing everything you can to encourage them Out of that relationship? Love doesn't always equal acceptance.
 
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Raine

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Eh biblically gay marriage is wrong, cool. I have met zero homosexuals that have an interest in christianity. So two random secular people getting married? fineby me. Doesnt hurt me
I think this kind of thinking is wrong... Not trying to attack you or anything but here it goes...

How can we say they are just two secular people getting married and we are not getting hurt by this so fine by me?

its not that simple... You might not care but God makes it very clear that He cares. He calls us to share the gospel and save the broken, not have a it doesn't affect me attitude.

It affects God, not who He is but His heart breaks for them. He did not just die for you but for everyone so that those who choose to accept Him will have a chance. God didn't send Jesus to die for us so that we can live selfishly and not care. We should care as Jesus cared for the Gentiles.

God loves secular people just as much as He loves you, which means because the Spirit lives in us we should thrive on His love to reach out to others and spread the good news to them. We shouldn't sit back and let the lost be lost.

I have met homosexuals, who, through the love of Christians and the Holy Spirit have been saved and stopped their sinful ways due to their encounter with God.
 
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I think this kind of thinking is wrong... Not trying to attack you or anything but here it goes...

How can we say they are just two secular people getting married and we are not getting hurt by this so fine by me?

its not that simple... You might not care but God makes it very clear that He cares. He calls us to share the gospel and save the broken, not have a it doesn't affect me attitude.

It affects God, not who He is but His heart breaks for them. He did not just die for you but for everyone so that those who choose to accept Him will have a chance. God didn't send Jesus to die for us so that we can live selfishly and not care. We should care as Jesus cared for the Gentiles.

God loves secular people just as much as He loves you, which means because the Spirit lives in us we should thrive on His love to reach out to others and spread the good news to them. We shouldn't sit back and let the lost be lost.

I have met homosexuals, who, through the love of Christians and the Holy Spirit have been saved and stopped their sinful ways due to their encounter with God.
Nobody should be forced to praise God or to abide by God's laws. We need only protect each other when people try to infringe on our well being or our rights.
 

ronnie2796

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I agree that we shouldn't limit their right to make their own choices.

But I also think that it doesn't mean we should go out of our way to help them make bad ones. I wouldn't vote to support it, that's for sure.

Would you stop someone from being a drug addict? Stop them from killing themselves? Stop them from being an alcoholic?
I kind of group it into these kinds of things, even though it is different.
I'm not stopping,..But I'm not helping either,..
 
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Raine

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Nobody should be forced to praise God or to abide by God's laws. We need only protect each other when people try to infringe on our well being or our rights.
Im not talking about force... I'm talking about love.

And I know what you're getting at but that is another whole thing in itself. Maybe I will explain more tomorrow if I remember... But it's time for me to sleep now. :3
 
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Ugly

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Nobody should be forced to praise God or to abide by God's laws. We need only protect each other when people try to infringe on our well being or our rights.
Of course that's never said or implied at any point in her post, so not seeing the relevance.
 

ronnie2796

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Btw,..I totally agree with the Love part. I have gay coworkers, and I treat them like anyone else, I try to love them Like Jesus does. As best I can anyway.

But I wouldn't attend their wedding, or support them in their choices.
 

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I asked a question about homosexuals earlier today and the replies said that supporting gay marriage is a sin. Is it possible to support and not support it at th same time? What I believe in gay marriage is that I wouldn't fight for gay marriage rights, I let the rest of the world fight for it or not, but if a gay couple did get married i don't care, I see that as "I don't care, it doesn't effect me." sort if situation. I don't want to rebel or sin against God but thinking this about gay marriage has become a part of my personality (I have tried changing my opinion but its hard) and grew up to treat everyone fairly. By what I think, am I supporting gay marriage or not because I don't want to make God angry?
If two gay people want to call their relationship a marriage it may make no sense to me, but I can't do anything to stop that. My problem is with the government stepping in and telling the rest of society that it is marriage. Oh yeah? Based on what? What's the secular definition of marriage?

So I'd be more for getting the government out of marriage entirely. Although Americans have had the government hold their hands for so long and tell them when and when they are not married, that they may miss their crutch when it's gone.
 
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Serg

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Hmm I guess the issue is.. where would it end?
Freedom is to treat everyone equal.. so once a gay couple have marriage do they also get to adopt children?

Does someone else justify there own freedom too for multiple life partners of lets say 3 wives or 5 wives...

There is no end.



I'd personally fight to oppose gay marriage. It's not natural because they can't reproduce and that's that. You get to have a job and nobody throws a stone at two guys holding hands.

Do I need to accept them with the parade of people walking people in a leash, or guys with exposed butts walking in public areas with children and family? Now they want marriage with those set of example they show?
Give me a break.
I'm from Toronto so I wont describe or ever know what goes on... I don't want to and my right to say NO



They finished what they set out to do since 1970 and things have changed, be humble for goodness sakes!

Women have rights (western culture), Black have rights, Gay have rights.


Stop with this "battle" because they need to move on from people recognize what they like to have in bed with them and on top of trying to change what society is built upon.
 

Livvy_Holt

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Um...no. I thinkyou're confused...?
 

jos

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i just wanna trow in a nice anecdote, wich is just to know:

the ancient greeks (around 2500 years ago) believed that the humans long ago had 2 faces, 4 arms and 4 legs. but the gods thought the humans were too powerfull, so they splitted them in 2 humans. so the greeks believe that during your life you have to find your other part, wich is then your wife/husband. but, it could also be a man/woman according to them! so in ancient greece the marriage of 2 men/woman was quite normal, because it is your other half. you cannot change that.

greek mythology was their source to explain things, like ''why is there summer and winter?'
it's quite fun to read and to know, not to believe of course?
 
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Danielle1234

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Thank you Jos. But I'm a little confused in what you're saying because of the question mark at the end of your post. Are you saying to believe in gay marriage or no? Or believe in what the Greeks thought or no?